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Test, libido, prolactin?

Mr. Black said:



Have you had any blood tests done? If so what were the results? Have you considered the herbal route? The latter is all I ran after my last cycle and I felt it helped carry me though the down time.
what kind of herbal pct did you do? what did it consist of?
 
macrophage69alpha said:


pregnenolone

Pseven will help as well (as it has pregnenolone and 7-oxo dhea)

Actually, I was going to give P7 a try... I also notice that a little HCG corrects this problem in a big way but its effects are pretty short lived.
 
Testosterone-induced hyperprolactinaemia in a patient with a disturbance of hypothalamo-pituitary regulation.

Nicoletti I, Filipponi P, Fedeli L, Ambrosi F, Gregorini G, Santeusanio F.

A case of a patient with hypopituitarism due to a disturbance of hypothalamo-pituitary regulation is presented, who developed high-grade hyperprolactinaemia after the initiation of substitutive therapy with testosterone esthers. The increase in serum Prl was strictly related to testosterone aromatization to oestradiol, since anti-oestrogen compounds were effective in reducing (clomiphene) or abolishing (tamoxifen) the enhanced Prl secretion. The oestrogen effect in raising Prl release was not attributable to a reduction in the dopamine inhibition of Prl-secreting cells, as the dopamine-antagonist domperidone failed to increase Prl serum levels in the same patient. This suggests that, in man, the oestrogen effect in enhancing Prl release is mainly enacted directly on the pituitary lactotrophs rather than exerted through a reduction in the hypothalamic dopamine activity.


B32
 
tempest2003 said:
what kind of herbal pct did you do? what did it consist of?

First ran 10000of HCG for 10 days at cessation of cycle then ran:

Avena sativa 2000mg/day
Muara Puama 2000mg/day
Maca 3000mg/day
Epemidum 1500mg/day
Ncidmium 100mg/day
Xanthroparmillia 100mg/day
Nettle Root 5000mg/day
 
i've had this prolactin problem before. BigAndy tipped me off to this, he was the original guy who predicted that my libido probs were prolactin related and not low test related. a blood test by my doc proved him right (at least on the low test thing- it was high normal).

get some Cabergoline. it's sold as either Dostinex (.5mg tabs) or as Cabaser (1mg or 2mg tabs). Cabaser is much cheaper mg for mg if you can find it. both are prescribed to reduce prolocatin but Cabaser is a drug for Parkison's and therefore dispensed in higher dosages. take .5mg to 1mg twice a week for 4-6 weeks and you'll be fucking like a champ and shooting loads across the room. you can also take it at .5mg twice a week during cycles of Tren, Winny, Deca or other prolactin elevating AAS to keep the prolactin/progesterone levels in check (this last is from reading, not from actual experience). Cabergoline made me little dizzy the first few days i used it but i went for 4 weeks and my dick was hard as the Times of '29. it also seemed to do something to my orgasms, like intensified them or something. one time i think i had a back to backer. anyway, it rules.

Nadr
 
you definetly want your estrogen levels in the low range,
some suggs-
to suppress prolactin...progesterone, dopamine agonists (bromocriptine)

pct 8wk suggested tapering....
arimidex/nolva/clomid

hrt... 100-125mg/wk test enanthate.

hope any of this helps
train hard
~g~
 
b1ewsw32 said:
Testosterone-induced hyperprolactinaemia in a patient with a disturbance of hypothalamo-pituitary regulation.

Nicoletti I, Filipponi P, Fedeli L, Ambrosi F, Gregorini G, Santeusanio F.

A case of a patient with hypopituitarism due to a disturbance of hypothalamo-pituitary regulation is presented, who developed high-grade hyperprolactinaemia after the initiation of substitutive therapy with testosterone esthers. The increase in serum Prl was strictly related to testosterone aromatization to oestradiol, since anti-oestrogen compounds were effective in reducing (clomiphene) or abolishing (tamoxifen) the enhanced Prl secretion. The oestrogen effect in raising Prl release was not attributable to a reduction in the dopamine inhibition of Prl-secreting cells, as the dopamine-antagonist domperidone failed to increase Prl serum levels in the same patient. This suggests that, in man, the oestrogen effect in enhancing Prl release is mainly enacted directly on the pituitary lactotrophs rather than exerted through a reduction in the hypothalamic dopamine activity.


B32

Nice info. I assume though if I am using aromasin or arimidex then this is less of a concern.
 
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