Test Is OVERRATED!

[bicepts101]

this is a good thread. i think in essence, Nelson is trying to say test should be the base of every cycle at low doses. I agree but i say use synergy. test, winny, tren, is a simple cycle but the results are amazing.

 

[boston789]

Isn't it a good probability that it's a combination of genetics, diet, and training that dictate whether or not you will benefit from higher doses to a point?

I mean, if you had someone who didn't work out and ate whatever they wanted, then obviously they are not going to put on much muscle whether they are taking 200mg/week or 1g/week... prob the ONLY difference in that case would be an increase in sides.

However, the other extreme, if you had one who worked his ass off in the gym 5 days a week and ate like a true bodybuilder then I believe he would absolutely gain more from the 1g/week (albeit with more sides).

For the people in the middle, their results would probably be somewhere in the middle: as in, if you go put a little workout in 4 days a week and drink your protein shake after your workout and in the morning and thats it and then wonder why your not getting SO MUCH HOOYGER than when you did less drugs, it's most likely because you are not working hard enough on your diet and training, not because simply higher dosages don't help.

Juice mainly works by acting to intensify the mind/muscle connection as well as allowing the stuff you eat to be used more efficiently for muscle growth. If your not going intense in the gym, then you're really not using the added benefit of an intensifed mind/muscle connection, and if your not eating right, then your not using the benefit of increased efficiency of protein synthesis... In other words, I think the harder you train and the more spot on your diet is, then the more juice you can use with increased benefit - and the rest is mostly just genetics.

Good post.

 

[Mac173]

Isn't it a good probability that it's a combination of genetics, diet, and training that dictate whether or not you will benefit from higher doses to a point?

I mean, if you had someone who didn't work out and ate whatever they wanted, then obviously they are not going to put on much muscle whether they are taking 200mg/week or 1g/week... prob the ONLY difference in that case would be an increase in sides.

However, the other extreme, if you had one who worked his ass off in the gym 5 days a week and ate like a true bodybuilder then I believe he would absolutely gain more from the 1g/week (albeit with more sides).

For the people in the middle, their results would probably be somewhere in the middle: as in, if you go put a little workout in 4 days a week and drink your protein shake after your workout and in the morning and thats it and then wonder why your not getting SO MUCH HOOYGER than when you did less drugs, it's most likely because you are not working hard enough on your diet and training, not because simply higher dosages don't help.

Juice mainly works by acting to intensify the mind/muscle connection as well as allowing the stuff you eat to be used more efficiently for muscle growth. If your not going intense in the gym, then you're really not using the added benefit of an intensifed mind/muscle connection, and if your not eating right, then your not using the benefit of increased efficiency of protein synthesis... In other words, I think the harder you train and the more spot on your diet is, then the more juice you can use with increased benefit - and the rest is mostly just genetics.

I think the assumption is being made that if you're running a g a wk then you are probably training hard and eating right. If not then obviousely this does not apply.
And if that same dedicated bodybuilder lowered the dosage by a fifth, his gains would be minimal compared to the 1g.

 

[lil-swole]

I think the assumption is being made that if you're running a g a wk then you are probably training hard and eating right. If not then obviousely this does not apply.
And if that same dedicated bodybuilder lowered the dosage by a fifth, his gains would be minimal compared to the 1g.

you mean lowered the dosage TO a fifth
But, seriously, yea I agree with what you just said as far as if one has got everything down pat then they would get more gains from more juice (to a point); I think that it takes a lot of ignorance to state otherwise.

And before a troll jumps to state it, yes we know more sides will come with more juice, but we are not talking about that. We are simply coming from a maximal gains perspective, not a perspective of what's always best.

 

[Mac173]

you mean lowered the dosage TO a fifth
But, seriously, yea I agree with what you just said as far as if one has got everything down pat then they would get more gains from more juice (to a point); I think that it takes a lot of ignorance to state otherwise.

And before a troll jumps to state it, yes we know more sides will come with more juice, but we are not talking about that. We are simply coming from a maximal gains perspective, not a perspective of what's always best.

You're right, I meant to a fifth.
I think we're all arguing over the obvious here.

 

[jagerbombme]

that's why i buy all my gear from the roid store, they got killer primo

 

[needtogetaas]

that's why i buy all my gear from the roid store, they got killer primo

they have primo????

 

[Guvna]

. Once again, the only non drug that increases "free T' is avenacosides A&B.

evidence?

 

[needtogetaas]

bam
http://www.primordialperformance.com/

 

[Guvna]

evidence?

NM?