Test Is OVERRATED!

[Anthony Roberts]

I gained more off 1000mgs/week of test than I did off 200mgs....medically speaking, testosterone follows basically linear dose response curve...meaning the more you take, the more results you get:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-profiles/testosterone-enanthate.htm

"Testosterones anabolic/androgenic effects are dependant upon the dose administered; usually the higher the dose, the better the results (1)."

Reference 1: J Lab Clin Med. 1995 Mar;125(3):326-33.

 

[NYBodyguard]

I gained more off 1000mgs/week of test than I did off 200mgs....medically speaking, testosterone follows basically linear dose response curve...meaning the more you take, the more results you get:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-profiles/testosterone-enanthate.htm

"Testosterones anabolic/androgenic effects are dependant upon the dose administered; usually the higher the dose, the better the results (1)."

Reference 1: J Lab Clin Med. 1995 Mar;125(3):326-33.

and where are the monsters located exactly, most people here look like total jokes next to the cycles they do you know that I know that (they might not), everyone is using test galore all types and nada, like I said speaking of real results not studies and living life sheep follow sheep style, taking more does nothing other then sides, I gained 8lbs off a test200mg a week cycle and some deca recently, been off for a minute and pretty much didnt lose a thing, are you saying if I did more I would of gained more, well I use to do more I was left with sides and tons of water.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

and where are the monsters located exactly, most people here look like total jokes next to the cycles they do you know that I know that (they might not), everyone is using test galore all types and nada, like I said speaking of real results not studies and living life sheep follow sheep style, taking more does nothing other then sides, I gained 8lbs off a test200mg a week cycle and some deca recently, been off for a minute and pretty much didnt lose a thing, are you saying if I did more I would of gained more, well I use to do more I was left with sides and tons of water.

Yes. that's what I'm saying.

 

[alchemist]

the primo does not cuase the big water gains,the risk of gyno,or heavy blood volume.primos gains are mainly due to protien sythisis building of actual muscle fiber

zane exchanged diet info... was the secret primo? zane really got more cut towards the mid seventies...who knows....

I agree with most of what you're saying, but just to clarify, an increase in blood volume and protein synthesis are ususlly the same thing. No protein synthesis means no increased red blood cell count. Increased red blood cell count equals protein synthesis.

Also. The secret wasn't Primo. It was good genetics...that's it. If it was Primo then every dickwad with a couple of vials of Primo and a half decent training routine would look like Arnold and Frank did.

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[boston789]

I agree with most of what you're saying, but just to clarify, an increase in blood volume and protein synthesis are ususlly the same thing. No protein synthesis means no increased red blood cell count. Increased red blood cell count equals protein synthesis.

Also. The secret wasn't Primo. It was good genetics...that's it. If it was Primo then every dickwad with a couple of vials of Primo and a half decent training routine would look like Arnold and Frank did.

D

 

[Mac173]

first off I have yet to see anyone gaining more on 1000mg of test a week then someone who used 200mg test a week, test amounts are rediculious in these days.

Deca + Dbol alone is a famous stack flex wheeler in his book says thats what he did when he started out, god knows what he did later.

Your statement makes no sense.
Just because you can't handle the high dosages doesn't mean that other people don't benefit from them.
If an individual ran 200mg one cycle and 1000 the next and all things equal w/ both cycles, you can't honestly say that 200 would put on the mass that 1g would.
If low dosage cycles works for you then good.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson...Of what does your HRT consist?

Very mild. 100 mgs of test a week. 1/2 mg a-dex 2-3 times a week. 1500ius of HCG once every other month along with MyogenX. UNLEASHED daily. POST CYCLE once a week. And a bunch of other siupps but that's for other reasons beyond HRT.

My total testosterone is usually around 800 -- a nice healthy/high number for someone in their 20's. (I'm 53). My free test went up 10 points (an increase of 40%) after using the supps so obviously I'm going to stick with that. My estro is 8, which is pretty much perfect and my prolactin is on the very low end of the scale.

The only thing is that LH is low, but that's to be expected. I'm sure anyone who does long cycles has an LH next to nil. I'm going to do a whopping MyogenX cycle and see what effect it has on my LH next time I get a blood test.

Now if only I can get a script for Shering Primo. Oh well. Can't get TOO greedy.

 

[NYBodyguard]

Your statement makes no sense.
Just because you can't handle the high dosages doesn't mean that other people don't benefit from them.
If an individual ran 200mg one cycle and 1000 the next and all things equal w/ both cycles, you can't honestly say that 200 would put on the mass that 1g would.
If low dosage cycles works for you then good.

whats the point of taking more of a drug if it does nothing for you, and this is not just my case but everyone I know and I know many that went thru the same shit we did high numbers then did lower and got the same if not better results.

 

[Mac173]

whats the point of taking more of a drug if it does nothing for you, and this is not just my case but everyone I know and I know many that went thru the same shit we did high numbers then did lower and got the same if not better results.

If increasing the dosage didn't help then we would all still be make great gains off of low dosages.
Why wouldn't taking more of a drug do more for you(to a point of course)?
I don't advocate extremely high dosages, but what you're saying still doesn't make any sense.

 

[lil-swole]

Isn't it a good probability that it's a combination of genetics, diet, and training that dictate whether or not you will benefit from higher doses to a point?

I mean, if you had someone who didn't work out and ate whatever they wanted, then obviously they are not going to put on much muscle whether they are taking 200mg/week or 1g/week... prob the ONLY difference in that case would be an increase in sides.

However, the other extreme, if you had one who worked his ass off in the gym 5 days a week and ate like a true bodybuilder then I believe he would absolutely gain more from the 1g/week (albeit with more sides).

For the people in the middle, their results would probably be somewhere in the middle: as in, if you go put a little workout in 4 days a week and drink your protein shake after your workout and in the morning and thats it and then wonder why your not getting SO MUCH HOOYGER than when you did less drugs, it's most likely because you are not working hard enough on your diet and training, not because simply higher dosages don't help.

Juice mainly works by acting to intensify the mind/muscle connection as well as allowing the stuff you eat to be used more efficiently for muscle growth. If your not going intense in the gym, then you're really not using the added benefit of an intensifed mind/muscle connection, and if your not eating right, then your not using the benefit of increased efficiency of protein synthesis... In other words, I think the harder you train and the more spot on your diet is, then the more juice you can use with increased benefit - and the rest is mostly just genetics.