Test Enthanate then Primobolan

[jonnyblade]

I am a novice user 27, 200lbs, I was considering taking 250mg of test enthanate a week for 4 weeks then 200mgs of Primo for the next 4 weeks. Then maybe a bit of clomid if needed. Is this an ok cycle, I didnt want to put too much money in, just want some small gains in size/strength. I wanted to diet on the last month with the primo too.

 

[needtogetaas]

I am a novice user 27, 200lbs, I was considering taking 250mg of test enthanate a week for 4 weeks then 200mgs of Primobolan - methenolone - for the next 4 weeks. Then maybe a bit of clomid if needed. Is this an ok cycle, I didnt want to put too much money in, just want some small gains in size/strength. I wanted to diet on the last month with the Primobolan - methenolone - too.

thats a crap cycle bro..you want a short cycle just ask and ill give you one.but test-e at 4 weeks ant going to do shit and primo deff ant doing any thing for you any thing short of 12 weeks.

 

[Bourget]

Really. If you want to run only those two I would first up the Test to a minimum of 500mg for 12 wks and then as Needtogetaas said run the primo concurrently for 12 wks.

 

[needtogetaas]

sounds like a money problem rather then a cycle problem to me.

 

[jonnyblade]

So what would you recommend for a 2 month cycle? Looking for something long acting as well, don't want to deal with eod shots.

 

[flotown]

So what would you recommend for a 2 month cycle? Looking for something long acting as well, don't want to deal with eod shots.

If its long-acting should be run long 10-12 weeks
just do eth at 500mgs. Twice a week shots. But make sure you get PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - in place. If you don't have money for that don't do anything. Use diet and cardio to cut

 

[jonnyblade]

Ok, well thanks for the advice, I still have a few weeks to contemplate this all, just so many different kinds of stuff out there and people say this and that, I just want something that is not gonna make me swell up like ballon, then make me deflate when I am done it. A steady solid gain is what I am all about.

 

[corporate ceo]

This is a joke post.

CEO

 

[needtogetaas]

Ok, well thanks for the advice, I still have a few weeks to contemplate this all, just so many different kinds of stuff out there and people say this and that, I just want something that is not gonna make me swell up like ballon, then make me deflate when I am done it. A steady solid gain is what I am all about.

you can start by clearing you dame pm's bro.lol

 

[jonnyblade]

Yeah I just cleaned em, havent really been on here in a while.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I think it's fine. A good combo at a conservative dosage for a reasonable amount of time to get a feel of what it'd be like, and you definetely will see something.

 

[daveyboy2345]

1.5 cc's of test e or c for 8 weeks (375 mgs) 1 inject per week, have anti e on hand during and after. Simple and basic as can be, but yet very effective.

 

[nydj66]

From your proposed cycle I can see you're looking to save money and you want to keep estrogen levels from becomming elevated to the point where you see negative side effects. Here's the cycle I would propose instead:

wk 1-8: 250mg/wk testosterone enanthate
wk 5-10: 50mg/day stanazolol (oral)
wk 11-13: 50mg/day clomid

Actually, an even less expensive option would be:

wk 1-8: 500mg/wk testosterone enanthate
wk 1-10: 0.25mg/day letrozole (0.1ml/day of ag-guys L Fem)
wk 11-13: 50mg/day clomid

Both of those cycles have their drawbacks but they accomplish your goals without the extremely high cost of primo.

 

[Mac173]

Yeah I just cleaned em, havent really been on here in a while.

Really, a member for 2.5yrs and already on post #10.

Run them both together for 10-12wks should be fine.

 

[xrsist]

I think it's fine. A good combo at a conservative dosage for a reasonable amount of time to get a feel of what it'd be like, and you definetely will see something.

did you smoke crack earlier today?

 

[Nelson Montana]

did you smoke crack earlier today?

Yeah, but what's that have to do with anything?

Seriously, I misunderstood the original post. I thought he was saying 250mgs of test and 200mgs of Primo TOGETHER for 4 weeks. That wouldn't be bad for a first timer.

 

[xrsist]

Yeah, but what's that have to do with anything?

Seriously, I misunderstood the original post. I thought he was saying 250mgs of test and 200mgs of Primobolan - methenolone - TOGETHER for 4 weeks. That wouldn't be bad for a first timer.

4 weeks? he would hardly see anything in 4 weeks on test e.. test p different story.

 

[c gheller]

did you smoke crack earlier today?

I reckon our Nelson smokes crack quite a bit having read some of his posts.

 

[c gheller]

Yeah, but what's that have to do with anything?

Seriously, I misunderstood the original post. I thought he was saying 250mgs of test and 200mgs of Primobolan - methenolone - TOGETHER for 4 weeks. That wouldn't be bad for a first timer.

Even so. Primobolan 4 weeks? WTF is that going to do? 12 weeks plus for Primo and then youre talkin.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I disagree. I've seen gains within 4 weeks too many times to discount it.

 

[Mac173]

I reckon our Nelson smokes crack quite a bit having read some of his posts.

I love it.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I love it.

Yeah, I'm crazy man. It's a mystery why I'm still published, and referenced and quoted in books, magazines , newpapers and TV. They really should be asking Mac173 instead.

Dude, we were on the same page for a while and then as soon as somone takes a swipe at me, you're all over it. Can't you think for yourself?

I maintain that good gains can be made in 4 weeks -- certainly enough for a first timer to see. Advising that he do is 12 weeks is unnecessary, irresponsible and dumb. But I guess when you're a faceless nameless nobody, giving dumb advice isn't a real big risk.

 

[xrsist]

Yeah, I'm crazy man. It's a mystery why I'm still published, and referenced and quoted in books, magazines , newpapers and TV. They really should be asking Mac173 instead.

Dude, we were on the same page for a while and then as soon as somone takes a swipe at me, you're all over it. Can't you think for yourself?

I maintain that good gains can be made in 4 weeks -- certainly enough for a first timer to see. Advising that he do is 12 weeks is unnecessary, irresponsible and dumb. But I guess when you're a faceless nameless nobody, giving dumb advice isn't a real big risk.

ok. but with long esters such as enath how is it possible to make visable gains inside of 4 weeks? as i said earlier test prop no worries, but enath? i would never advise anyone to do a 12 weeks cycle first up, iv always thought 10 weeks is more than enough with a very low dose. not argueing nelson, just saying

 

[Nelson Montana]

ok. but with long esters such as testosterone enanthate how is it possible to make visable gains inside of 4 weeks? as i said earlier test testosterone propionate no worries, but testosterone enanthate? i would never advise anyone to do a 12 weeks cycle first up, iv always thought 10 weeks is more than enough with a very low dose. not argueing nelson, just saying

I hear what you're saying but Ent doesn't take that much longer ( a matter of hours) to become active than prop, it just lasts longer. Keep in mind, after 4 weeks you still have another 10 days or so on the back end where you're "enhanced" whereas with prop, 2 days later, it's pretty much gone. Again, if you start busting your ass right out of the gate and increase protein intake, you'll see more results within 2 weeks while "on" than if you weren't. And as I said, this would make a good "starter" cycle, though in general, I feel 6 week cycles are best. After that, the sides increase exponentially.

Didn't mean to get so angry at Mac -- it just gets annoying sometimes.

 

[jonnyblade]

My original thought was you I would get a good boost of the test and start getting gains and not have a long enough time to get an real sides of the test, then jump on the primobolan for a month letting me recover and still giving me some gains, maybe a bit of anti e in there but not much, but maybe I am wrong in the thought process.

 

[Mac173]

Yeah, I'm crazy man. It's a mystery why I'm still published, and referenced and quoted in books, magazines , newpapers and TV. They really should be asking Mac173 instead.

Dude, we were on the same page for a while and then as soon as somone takes a swipe at me, you're all over it. Can't you think for yourself?

I maintain that good gains can be made in 4 weeks -- certainly enough for a first timer to see. Advising that he do is 12 weeks is unnecessary, irresponsible and dumb. But I guess when you're a faceless nameless nobody, giving dumb advice isn't a real big risk.

I understand where you're coming from, but c'mon what's the point in running a long ester for 4 wks when everyone seems to agree (except for you) that at around wk 4 is when the visible changes actually start to occur?
No need to rub in every time that you are published and I'm not.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I understand where you're coming from, but c'mon what's the point in running a long ester for 4 wks when everyone seems to agree (except for you) that at around wk 4 is when the visible changes actually start to occur?
No need to rub in every time that you are published and I'm not.

Just asking for a a little mutual respect bro. (This is where we need an icon of two dots touching gloves).

I still maintain, I see changes sooner and a lot of guys will agree. And again the point is, this guys is a newbie and should be estactic to see visable changes after a couple of weeks. Maybe he'll even keep 4-5 pounds. We've all becoem so jaded. That's pretty good!

 

[Varga]

My original thought was you I would get a good boost of the test and start getting gains and not have a long enough time to get an real sides of the test, then jump on the primobolan for a month letting me recover and still giving me some gains, maybe a bit of anti e in there but not much, but maybe I am wrong in the thought process.

I do not think you need any anti e, not at this short exposure and dosages unless you are super sensitive. Estrogen usually climbs later in the cycle.
I think you are too worried about what the test sides will do to you which is valid but think about it your own test production is supressed anyway so why not do at least a 8 weeks on the test and primo together with a little of anti-e if needed?

 

[c gheller]

Ive seen gains on Dianabol and Anadrol in 2 days. Does that mean i should call that a cycle and end it there. My point is when running a long ester yes it is possible to see gains in 4 weeks, but what is the definition of "gains". Im talking quality muscle and im still scepticle as to how much of that can be gained in 4 weeks running long acting esters. Just my 2cents.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Ive seen gains on Dianabol and Anadrol in 2 days. Does that mean i should call that a cycle and end it there. My point is when running a long ester yes it is possible to see gains in 4 weeks, but what is the definition of "gains". Im talking quality muscle and im still scepticle as to how much of that can be gained in 4 weeks running long acting esters. Just my 2cents.

What you see on anadrol is water retention. That's not muscle growth. It's possible to gain 4-5 pounds in a month and keep it. If you think that isn't a lot, take a look at a 5 pound roast beef and imagine that added onto your frame. It would take a year of natural training to get that -- if at all.

 

[needtogetaas]

What you see on anadrol is water retention. That's not muscle growth. It's possible to gain 4-5 pounds in a month and keep it. If you think that isn't a lot, take a look at a 5 pound roast beef and imagine that added onto your frame. It would take a year of natural training to get that -- if at all.

I got that between my legs..it really dose look big.

 

[Singleton]

If you're running test for 4 weeks, then _primo for 4 weeks after that, you're t-levels will be very, very low at the end of the cycle. I would say to run it for 2-3 weeks or go for a full-on cycle.

It would be better to reorganize that into:

2 weeks _primo
2 weeks _primo + _test
2 weeks _test

But no matter what, you're t levels will be low at the end.

You'll probably want to end with _t-_prop and do a full _PCT w/_HCG, anti-e, et c.

I would do either 2 short cycles with 4-6 weeks off in between or get more gear and do a full cycle with full _PCT .

 

[xrsist]

I got that between my legs..it really dose look big.

im worried pics will be next

 

[slat1]

4 weeks of enanthate means you have esters in your system for effectively 6 weeks.
You can gain off that.
Also, I am 240 and lean. I can blow up on 250mgs a week. Its all diet.