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Test e/EQ/Epi

Preachercurls

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I've posted before that I was gonna do Test e/EQ cycle, and now I'm adding epi as a kickstart, my goal isn't to bulk up like a mad man and that's why I chose epi. I have everything on hand and I'm ready for my first pin today
Again, my goal of this cycle is gain very lean mass, lose some fat, and look hard as fuck

Stats
24 years old
174 pounds
5'6


1-6 Epi 40/40/40/40/50/50
1-6 n2gurad
1-6 S4 50 mg
1-14 test e 500 mg EW
1-14 EQ 500 mg EW
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg e3d ( should I make it EOD after I'm done with Epi )
7-16 hcg 500 iu's week


PCT
17-20 clomid 50/25/25/25
17-20 Hcgenerate
17-22 Unleashed/post cycle combo ( double dosed for the first two weeks, then single dosed for 4 weeks )
17-20 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
17-20 Oastrine 25 mg ED
21-22 Formastanzol ( not sure if I'm gonna need it ? )
 
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I've posted before that I was gonna do Test e/EQ cycle, and now I'm adding epi as a kickstart, my goal isn't to bulk up like a mad man and that's why I chose epi. I have everything on hand and I'm ready for my first pin today
Again, my goal of this cycle is gain very lean mass, lose some fat, and look hard as fuck

Stats
24 years old
174 pounds
5'6


1-6 Epi 30/40/40/40/40/40
1-6 n2gurad
1-14 test e 500 mg EW
1-14 EQ 500 mg EW
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg e3d ( should I make it EOD after I'm done with Epi )
7-16 hcg 500 iu's week


PCT
17-20 clomid 50/25/25/25
17-22 Unleashed/post cycle combo ( double dosed for the first two weeks, then single dosed for 4 weeks )
17-20 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
17-20 Oastrine 25 mg ED
21-22 Formastanzol ( not sure if I'm gonna need it ? )

Yes you are going to want forma. Start running it at week 15 though and run it through week 20.

Everything else looks pretty good to go. Through in some hcgenerate on cycle to help keep the boys plump.

Side note though You are young and have plenty of room to grow naturally..I would wait for the juice but that is probably not gonna happen. Your only 174 but what is your BF percentage? If it is 10% or over I would not run juice because you are not big enough too yet.
 
i agree with the age thing but if you are intent on running it then one thing you need to change is your epi dose... 30 mg is not going to do anything for you... run it 40/40/50/50/60/60
 
i agree with the age thing but if you are intent on running it then one thing you need to change is your epi dose... 30 mg is not going to do anything for you... run it 40/40/50/50/60/60

^^^ was just about to say the exact same thing.

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Yes you are going to want forma. Start running it at week 15 though and run it through week 20.

Everything else looks pretty good to go. Through in some hcgenerate on cycle to help keep the boys plump.

Side note though You are young and have plenty of room to grow naturally..I would wait for the juice but that is probably not gonna happen. Your only 174 but what is your BF percentage? If it is 10% or over I would not run juice because you are not big enough too yet.

I just edited the cycle layout and might actually throw some hcgenerate in PCT. I should be fine with HCG on cycle and i have tried hcgenerate stacked with unleashed/postcycle for PCT before and it was phenomonal.

I'm sitting around 9-10% BF, the reason I wanna do it at this age is that I'm thinking of going the fitness model route

Dylan, how about this 40/40/40/40/50/50 ? , if you still think 40 won't do shit Imma buy another bottle

Thank you guys
 
I would run the epi dose like dylan suggested. The only thing I will add is eq needs to be run atleast 16 weeks although 20 is alot better imo.

NTBM REP
 
I just edited the cycle layout and might actually throw some hcgenerate in PCT. I should be fine with HCG on cycle and i have tried hcgenerate stacked with unleashed/postcycle for PCT before and it was phenomonal.

I'm sitting around 9-10% BF, the reason I wanna do it at this age is that I'm thinking of going the fitness model route

Dylan, how about this 40/40/40/40/50/50 ? , if you still think 40 won't do shit Imma buy another bottle

Thank you guys

If you get two bottles go 40/50/50/60/60/70. Go fuckin hard bro...


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and you base this on what? your personal view or actual hard science? provide actual evidence to back up your statement please. I'll go first in regards to nolva and can keep going and going if needed.

For newer guys, tamoxifen = nolvadex:
Nolvadex-Tamoxifen Citrate - iSteroids.com

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Exp Clin Endocrinol. 1988 Dec;92(2):211-6.
Hormonal changes in tamoxifen treated men with idiopathic oligozoospermia.

Hampl R, Heresová J, Lachman M, Sulcová J, Stárka L.
Research Institute of Endocrinology, Prague/Czechoslovakia.



Three months of tamoxifen treatment of 43 men with idiopathic oligozoospermia, out of which 20 completed the study, resulted in a significant enhancement of sperm motility, but the improvement of sperm parameters was in no relation to the FSH response to short time tamoxifen treatment. There was a significant increase of testosterone, estradiol, LH, FSH, SHBG, 17 alpha-hydroxy-progesterone and also of 11 beta-hydroxyandrostenedione, an androgen of exclusively adrenal origin, during the treatment and (with the exception of the latter), on the first week after discontinuation of the therapy. Significantly elevated testosterone and SHBG concentrations were retained still 9 weeks after finishing of the therapy. The results confirm that tamoxifen treatment provides conditions more favourable for conception and demonstrate that also adrenal steroidogenesis is positively influenced by this antiestrogen.



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Int J Androl. 1987 Dec;10(6):747-51.

Stimulation of calcitonin secretory capacity by increased serum levels of testosterone in men treated with tamoxifen.

Schopman W, Slager E, Hackeng WH, Mulder H.
Department of Internal Medicine, Eudokia Hospital, Bergsingel, Rotterdam, The Netherlands.

Abstract

Previous studies have suggested that sex steroids, including both oestrogen and testosterone, influence calcitonin secretion. However, a negative effect of gonadotrophins on calcitonin has not been excluded. Twelve men with infertility and low-normal serum levels of testosterone were studied before and during tamoxifen therapy. Increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, testosterone and calcitonin were observed after treatment. Our findings suggest that testosterone has a direct influence on calcitonin secretion.


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Fertil Steril. 1978 Mar;29(3):320-7.
Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men.

Vermeulen A, Comhaire F.
Abstract

The administration of tamoxifen, 20 mg/day for 10 days, to normal males produced a moderate increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, and estradiol levels, comparable to the effect of 150 mg of Clomiphene citrate (Clomid). However, whereas Clomid produced a decrease in the LH response to LH-releasing hormone (LHRH), no such effect was seen after the administration of tamoxifen. In fact, prolonged treatment (6 weeks) with tamoxifen significantly increased the LH response to LHRL. Treatment of patients with "idiopathic" oligospermia for 6 to 9 months resulted in a significant increase in gonadotropin, testosterone, and estradiol levels. A significant increase in sperm density was observed only in subjects with oligospermia below 20 X 10(6)/ml and normal basal FSH levels. When basal FSH levels were increased or oligospermia was moderate (greater than 20 X 10(6)/ml); no effect on sperm density was seen. As sperm density increased, FSH levels decreased, suggesting an inhibin effect. Sperm motility was not improved by tamoxifen treatment. In five boys with delayed puberty, tamoxifen treatment appeared to activate the pituitary-gonadal axis and pubertal development.


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Man you need to STFU already with your nolva crap. Theres so much research out there against nolva, and even cover ups of studys wheret they were paid to schew the results. HERE:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2867626/

http://www.livestrong.com/article/24977-permanent-side-effects-tamoxifen/
people who take tamox are at risk of a stroke

“However, tamoxifen exhibited two conflicting characteristics. It could act either as an anti-estrogen or as an estrogen. Therefore, while tamoxifen is anti-estrogenic to the breast, it also acts as an estrogen to the uterus and, to a lesser extent, the heart, blood vessels and bone. So, although it initially showed the tendency to counter breast cancer recurrence, it would soon be revealed that it also promoted particularly aggressive uterine and liver cancers, caused fatal blood clots and interfered with many other functions.”
http://www.all-natural.com/tamox.html

Swedish trial indicated a 400% increased risk of endometrial cancer for those 5 years on tamoxifen. With longer use the risk might be higher as "duration (of use) is more important than dosage" said Flora van Leeuwen of the Netherlands Cancer Institute. What she said is easy to understand: few smokers get cancer from tobacco in five years; it takes time. A five year study would probably pronounce nicotine as safe as nectarines. they want to dose us with Tamoxifen for life but only count the corpses for five years. The bottom line is that the longer you take this ""preventative" the more likely you are to die of cancer!

A March 1994 Journal of Clinical Oncology report showed that 67% of the tumors in tamoxifen users were "high-grade" compared to only 24% of endometrial cancers in other women, which works out to an 180% increase in bad tumors. For women with breast tumors who were later diagnosed with endometrial cancer the interval averaged 12 years for those who did not use Tamoxifen. This shortened to 5 years for users of the drug. Perhaps they should rename it TUMOR OFTEN!

R. J. Kedar of King's College School of Medicine and Dentistry in London studies 61 women in a tamoxifen trial and said: "Our study detected endometrial abnormalities at various times from THE FIRST TABLET OF TAMOXIFEN." The endometrium appeared abnormally thick in 24 of these women (39%) and 10 of these underwent potentially pre-cancerous changes. Science News reported that in this test only 5 of the 50 women given a placebo had an abnormal endometrium, and none showed the cell changes. The score was 10 to Zero against Tamoxifen. (Science News, June 4, 1994 - Study Reaffirms Tamoxifen's Dark Side).

Imperial Chemical Industries, with its affiliate Zeneca Group PLC got the National Cancer Institute to spring for a $68,000,000 "study" on 11,000 victims to procure a blessing on TAMOXIFEN as a "breast cancer preventative." Then Imperial cut a deal with the University of Pittsburgh to have Dr. Bernard Fisher lead the tests on healthy female volunteers. Imperial also cut a $600,000 check to the University of Pittsburgh in honor of Doc Fisher. No sense taking a chance the test results won't be good with billions$ at stake!

The tests began in 1992 without telling the women that Tamoxifen caused fatal endometrial cancer , serious eye damage and blood clots which can lead to strokes. The UP and Imperial knew this from an earlier 5 year test in which the Tamoxifen group developed 23 womb cancers while the untreated control group had only 2 such malignancies. SCORE: Tamoxifen cancer increase, 1,050%!

Imperial/Zeneca and U of P concealed these hazards from the volunteers in the 1993 test, fearing "potential negative publicity" (Let the women die!) / This is the same Zeneca that was being sued by the United States and the State of California for allegedly dumping DDT and PCBS into Los Angeles and Long Beach harbors. In June of 1993 they demerged from Imperial Chemical Industries. Zeneca also makes $300 million worth of carcinogenic herbicide called acetochlor every year. First they give us cancer with a poison, then they concoct another to treat us!
http://www.holisticmed.com/toxic/tamoxifen.shtml
 
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