Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below (1st was test only) on thursday 1/22/09 ill have been on 500mg test e (250mg mon/thur) for 3 weeks. Started 6'-3" 225 lbs 16% bf bmi 28. Im up 7.5 pounds and down 2% bf. Im adding 500mg/w (250mon/thur) EQ and running it for 12 weeks/ droping it 1 week before ending Test E. running hcg throughout (nolva on hand, no sides) and pct 3 weeks after last test shot for 4 weeks( hcg, nolv, sus alpha). plan on adding 50mg Winny tabs last 3 weeks and run it up to pct (6wks total). here is a sample of a day of eating, good? bad? suggs? cardio workout 6-7a.m meal 1 about 7:30 6 egg whites ,black pepper, flax seeds (ground mixed in if scrambled or into oatmeal) 2 cups cooked oatmeal w/raisins. meal 2 9-9:30 8 oz smoothie (1 cup 1% milk ,2tbsp low fat yogurt, 3/4 cup oatmeal, 2 tsb peanut butter, 2 scoops whey protein, ice--makes 16oz). meal 3 11-11:30 10oz chicken breast, 1/2 cup brown rice, cup broccoli. meal 4 1-1:30 6 oz can low sodium water packed tuna, cup fat free yogurt; meal 5 (pre work out)-3:00 8 oz smoothie. meal 6 (post work out) 5-5:30 8 oz salmon baked, cup broccoli; meal 7-7:30 2-4 slices whole-grain bread 2-4 tbsp all nat peanut butter, 2-4 tsb all nat fruit spread; meal 8 9-9:30 4 oz smoothie or 3 egg whites. roughly 4,000 cals; 350 g protein; 300 carbs; 120 gs fat; 15g sat fat; 1200 mg sodium; 50g fiber. i was only going to go w/ half of that b/c i wanted to stay lean and drop b/f but i didtn think my cals and protein were enough. any help?
test e/eq cycle advise (2nd Cyc)
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oh on a side note, my dad is making me donate blood w/ him, trying to keep him in the dark on the aas. would this be a problem (donating on cycle). also how would loosing some of my productive blood affect my gains? could be good if red blood count is high though right? suggs. thanks guys
6FULLMETALTRUCKIE9
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just tell your dad the last skank you banged may of gave you a going away present (STD) and are going to checked before you give blood that should freaking get him off your back about giving blood!!!LOL FMT!Oh you want your protein to be some where like 2 to 30 grams per pound of body weight if you want to keep lean just watch the carbs and keep the cardio between 30 and 60 mins day in the morning to get your body burning your fat stores instead of what you just had for breakfast! Hope that helps bro. FMT
thanks for the info on the blood test situation guys. back to the diet question, regulating my cals/protien intake and my work outs/cardio should regulate my gains correct. If for some reason i feel that in putting too much size on i could just back off the food intake and do more cardio or no?. i know lowering dosage while on is not good for levels. basically trying to regulate the speed and amount of growth so that i stay somewhat low key, i teach middle school and those little bastards are observant, already saying im using lol. thanks again guys
I think your diet is way off. If you want to lean out you need to realize a lot of the foods you are taking in are messing with your chemistry. If you want to control size and bf you have to take a look at blood sugar and insulin levels. Insulin is secreted when blood sugar levels go up. Imagine your cells are like little houses and when the get filled with insulin they lock the doors. All the insulin that is left over gets turned to fat. So if you can control blood sugar and insulin secretion then you can control fat. Avoid the processed sugars and gluten. Diary causes a huge insulin spikes. Whey protein is made from milk. You really only want big insulin spikes after a workout so avoid whey protein at any other time except post workout. Never before bed. Ditch all the gluten...wheat, rye and barley. Gluten causes big insulin spike and causes inflammation. This can lead to auto-immune problems. Avoid the peanut butter and sub in almond or cashew butter. Peanuts are legumes and have very high acid levels and can cause inflammation. Avoid smoothies packed with processed sugars. Flax seeds and oil increase insulin sensitivity and are not good. You want long chain omega 3's like those from animal based proteins...medium chain omega 3's like flax are not good. Try to get good omega 3's from cod liver oil. Oatmeal is fine. Dont throw the yolks away when eating eggs. The yolk contains all the vitamin k and d and most of the good cholesterol. Yes i said cholesterol is good! Steroids are synthesized off of cholesterol that is why they play havoc on LDL and HDL levels. You need good fats in the mix. This will help more than you know. Olive oil, avocado and tree nuts are great sources. Sub in sweet potatoes and yams. Shoot for meats, vegetables and fruit and good fats and you will lean out over night. Dont ever eat any processed foods...take a look around at the fat people you see around you...all they eat are processed foods that say non or low fat, foods with a ton of sodium. Be smart and dont waste what you are taking. I surf around and read about all the cycles most guys are on and they could do so much more and not lose gains if they understood their diets. Just because a guy taking 20 k a month in gear is eating egg whites and flax doesnt make it right. He could eat Del Taco every night and be living on jack street with all the drugs. Be smart and good luck.
looking good bro!
you need good clean cals if you want to stay lean.
Look up complex carbs food list on the internet, or natural carbs. Those will give you a great amount of energy and on a good G.I. will actually help you burn fat.
I like to break it down like this per meal
40% Protein
20% fat
30% Complex carbs
10% simple carbs
I actually got this from will smiths diet when he is training for a movie. Im liking it!
PS i tried one of your smoothies... Its def a new guilty pleasure of mine haha
you need good clean cals if you want to stay lean.
Look up complex carbs food list on the internet, or natural carbs. Those will give you a great amount of energy and on a good G.I. will actually help you burn fat.
I like to break it down like this per meal
40% Protein
20% fat
30% Complex carbs
10% simple carbs
I actually got this from will smiths diet when he is training for a movie. Im liking it!
PS i tried one of your smoothies... Its def a new guilty pleasure of mine haha
thanks guys, ill try and modify that a big, also i've been experiencing some erection problems and i havnt started the eq yet, just on 500mg test e. there should be an increase in libido i though, could the test be shutting me down? or the transition from my body not producing it to it being injected? could it be something in my diet? WTF!!?
starting week 4 thursday, im think that its from my nat test diminishing...im not completely shut down, just havent been able to do as many "encores" as i would like.....prob just stress, fatigue, anxiety that kinda shit. anyway stepped on the scale today +9 lbs (after work out) from start weight. I slept a lot sunday to monday bc i had off of work and didnt eat very much for the 12 hrs or so that i was laying around and I weighed in (empty)at +5 - 1% bf . people at work are starting to tell me how much bigger i look : ) getting the "you on roids" comments. great work out today my weights are starting to increase and my endurance seems to be up, awesome pumps. other than the libido thing i dont see any sides, no bloat, no skin issues. im excited about the gains so far .. trying not to get too nuts but im sure i will....
If your on cycle then Dermacrine would be a better option than Sustain Alpha.
Im noticing that i dont like the way my back/lats look in comparison to the rest of my body. anyone have a kick ass back routine i could adjust to. i currently do
wide grip, med grip, close grip pullup 4 sets of 6 each
wide grip lat pulldowns
(all 3x8-10)
reverse grip close grip pulldowns (palms in)
seated rows (v grip 2 hands)
standing rows from the low pully (T-bar)
bent over rows (straddle the bar w/ one end of bar in corner of wall- v grip handle)
bent over rows palms facing in 3x8-10 then out 3x8-10
good mornings/strait leg dead lifts
wide grip, med grip, close grip pullup 4 sets of 6 each
wide grip lat pulldowns
(all 3x8-10)
reverse grip close grip pulldowns (palms in)
seated rows (v grip 2 hands)
standing rows from the low pully (T-bar)
bent over rows (straddle the bar w/ one end of bar in corner of wall- v grip handle)
bent over rows palms facing in 3x8-10 then out 3x8-10
good mornings/strait leg dead lifts
Sorry Trip missed this post. We still need estrogen and it's a balance between the estrogen and test that we are trying to achieve when on cycle. Dermacrine is designed moreso for use on cycle or as it's own mini cycle whereas Sustain Alpha is for PCT with it's emphasis on restoring natural test. Both have anti-e properties but with differing ingredients designed for specific applications.
Yes still run the HCG.
This post better suited to the weight training forum.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/weight-training-weight-lifting/
four full weeks in, strength gains continuing to increase, size and weight have been the same for a week or two, (have been eating a little less). the libido issue seems to still be there, i can perform just seems that im not a hard as before, have been taking hcg for two weeks now. nips have not itched at all this week, dont notice any lumps underneath them, and they dont seem to be puffy. will start adex anyway .5 e 3-5 days.
Just make sure you monitor your blood pressure.
i think the test really kicked in this week, week 6 starts 2/5, the weight just seems light and i dont want to leave the gym for hrs it seems. itchy nips gone, not puffy, been boning like a machine for a week or so now. my cardio seems to kick my ass a lot more than before, could only 2 weeks of eq be the reason? also, how much would i have to train to over train? i feel like i could lift all day long.
digit0x
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there we go. I had a never ending boner on sust. and, yes you can overtrain. deppending on your goals is there difference though. more reps = more tone but the fibers won't grow in size. less rep more weight = more mass. strength gains will come regardless but just keep that in mind.
DaveTSI
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wrong
could you explain why thats wrong Dave. when i do my cardio in the morning ill do 12-15 reps lighter weight, to get a pump/stretch and stay breathing heavy, of whatever body part that im going to trian with that day inbetween my cardio/abs cycles, then go heavy in the p.m. did it that way for 3 weeks, cut down for a week, then changed my body part combos and days up for another 4 weeks and so on. feel great doing it this way, seeing good results. i dont feel like im over doing it, im not getting as much sleep as i would like ( only 5-7 hrs most nights) . my joints, tendons dont hurt at all, only sore for a day or two after a work out. getting hungier by the day
PULL UPS. Do as many sets as you can handle with max reps...add weight.
BENT ROW. 4 x 8-10...go as heavy as you can without letting your back break
GOOD MORNINGS...ever see a back on an olympic lifter?
Get rid of all that fluffy shit...If i see a machine as the first exercise in your program I know you are not fuckin' wasting your time. Nobody ever built a powerful physique with machines. You see the pros using machines bc they are already at the top of the mountain...mountains are built with heavy compound movements.
started my 6th week on thursday. things are looking good. other than 2 or 3 red pimple bumps on my collar bone chest area......made a few diet changes. took the shakes out during the day and added solid protein instead., trying to limit carb intake to mainly after both workouts. ( other than the little in fruits ect) I added n.o.xplode, cell mass, and cytogainer into the mix a week ago. the cytogainer i take after both a.m and p.m work outs. mix w/ milk 4 scoops 54g protein 870 some odd cals. im seeing more veins than ever and my back and arms were so pumped the other day i could hardly turn to wipe my ass lol. stats to date, weighed in this morning at 237 (+ 12 lbs) and 14 % bf (- 2%). had my first pinning mishap, pinned my r shoulder, pulled back and got the bubble, shot up and when i pulled the pin out blood shot out and poored out a bit. i pushed down on it for a few seconds and it stopped. that was on thursday, its not sore, no bumb there just a little bruising.
went to the doctor yesterday for a check up.....weighed in at 240 (+15lbs), didnt check the bf %. the doctor came in and called me a horse lol, must be doing something right. he said my BP was a little high 144/90, nothing to worry too much about but to keep an eye on. i told him i was eating salty foods lately(im not by the way) and i told him about my swollen, red, hands and asked why my arms go numb sometimes. have to go get an ENG or some shit. could be thoracic outlet syndrome, or carpultunel.
had the school nurse check my bp today and it was a very good 128 over 78 so it must have been high the other day because i had it done after a work out and sups. getting more veins and my abs are showing more. Since ive started my sense of well being has gone way up, im actually more calm and happy. normally on a 1-10 scale(10 being the most irritable) i would hover around a 3 or 4 and gradually ramp up to 10, now im at a 0-1 but i find that i go straight to 10 no ramping when i get irritated..................anyone out there?
mondays shot will be 8 weeks of test and 5 weeks of eq, weighed in today at 237 (+12lbs) missed 2 days this week b/c i was sick, didnt eat as much and i think its keeping my weight down. still leaning out, people telling me that i lost weight in my face. ex-girlfriend says i got ripped up in the upper body and my stomach is tighter. i busted my eth vial and can only get cyp, dont think that should matter..any thoughts.??
added Lipo Stack Ultra ( lipo stim 3, lipo flame, amp02) on 3/16....on 3/23 added 50 mg winny tabs ...50mg/ed split in half am. pm. feeling tighter and slightly more vascular. work out intensity is rediculous, you have to pry my ass out of the gym, pumps are painful especially bicep days. found out i have carpul tunnel in my arms but not too too bad yet.
