Test and light Dbol for first cycle?

[Djicy]

Should I take Dbol with my first test cycle or just stick to test only? I saw someone say they took light Dbols like 15 mg on training days and less on non training days. Actually that was a long time ago so I forget what he said I was going to try the Dbol for 4-6 weeks or should I forget about it altogether and just stick with the test?

Allso whats the best PCT for test only cyle thanx!!

 

[RADAR]

Dbol & Test are excellent together.

300-500 test per wk
Dbol 20mg wk 1-5

Clomid is sufficient of this cycle.

300mg Day 1
100mg Day 2-8
50mg Day 9-15

RADAR

 

[Djicy]

Thanx Radar much appreciated!!

Sorry can I ask you one more question should I cycle the test 10 weeks? and when do I start the clomid after week 5 when the Dbol is done or after the 10 week?

 

[Djicy]

And should I take the Dbol on my off days? I can't recall who posted it along time ago that said they didn't take it on off days and it helped them better with the sides.

I train 6 days a week so it would be 120 mg of dbol a week or should I just continue to take the 20 mg on Sunday my day off? This is probably a dumb question.

 

[instant.muscle]

yes take it on ur off days, i'm un a sust dbol cycle 5 weeks of dbol 20 mg a day w/ 10 on off days. and RADAR would u mind telling me what does clomid do exactly? how does it help u keep gains? and r these strength or size gains? and say u dont take clomid after a dbol sust cycle but u keep eating and training ur ass off u wouldnt lose too much ehh?

and by the way, u asked is test and light dbol good for first cycle, this is my first i'm doin sust 10 weeks 250 mg and dbol 20 mg 5 weeks, i'm u 9 1/2 pounds in 12 days.

 

[dr0832]

You really shouldn't be using AAS's if you don't know what clomid is for. You need to do a lot more research. After you do a cycle of highly androgenic AAS's (for example Dbol and Test.) or any AAS's for that matter, you will be shut down. This is because your body supply of testerosterone will be shut off. It doesn't matter if you eat a ton, and train hard. If your bodies shut down for more then the very least amount of time, you will lose most of your gains, if not all of them. This is why people use ancillary's like clomid or nolvadex.

 

[RADAR]

You really shouldn't be using AAS's if you don't know what clomid is for. You need to do a lot more research. After you do a cycle of highly androgenic AAS's (for example Dbol and Test.) or any AAS's for that matter, you will be shut down. This is because your body supply of testerosterone will be shut off. It doesn't matter if you eat a ton, and train hard. If your bodies shut down for more then the very least amount of time, you will lose most of your gains, if not all of them. This is why people use ancillary's like clomid or nolvadex.

Beat me to it.

You starting clomid depends upon the length of the esthers.
Test Cyp & Enanth 2 weeks after last inj.
Test prop 3 days after last inj.

Sus 3 weeks after last inj.


RADAR

 

[Djicy]

Hey RADAR I was doing some research and I found this on a site "Nolvadex also has a stronger affinity for the estrogen receptor than clomid, eventhough they are similar compounds."

Have you had success with clomid with this cycle in the past? Thanks for the help!!

 

[sweed]

Hey RADAR I was doing some research and I found this on a site "Nolvadex also has a stronger affinity for the estrogen receptor than clomid, eventhough they are similar compounds."

Have you had success with clomid with this cycle in the past? Thanks for the help!!

some like clomid, some like nolva..some like doing both..
for my first cycle i am not taking any chances at looseing more than i should. i am goin to do nolva/ clomis pct for a total of 5 weeks. Hcg a total of 3 weeks . everything (pct) starting 1 week after last injection of Test E.
also ill have nolva on hand and ill be doing arimidex 1mg either ed or eod throughout.
also midcycle ill be doing a week of HCG m/w/f at 1000 iu's

 

[instant.muscle]

thank u dro and radar, after my 3rd week of my last sus shot i will start the clomid, what does the clomid do though? forces ur body 2 create natural test? if so in what ammounts?

 

[Slyder190]

If you wanna go light, use 20mg D-bol for 5 weeks. You could run 400mg test, but I think 500mg would do you more justice.

 

[RADAR]

thank u dro and radar, after my 3rd week of my last sus shot i will start the clomid, what does the clomid do though? forces ur body 2 create natural test? if so in what ammounts?

Clomid helps the lil boys get back online, after a cycle your natural test production is suppressed.This is where clomid comes in after the esthers have cleared your system.


RADAR

 

[instant.muscle]

thanx. how much does it cost?

 

[crfpilot14]

some like clomid, some like nolva..some like doing both..
for my first cycle i am not taking any chances at looseing more than i should. i am goin to do nolva/ clomis pct for a total of 5 weeks. Hcg a total of 3 weeks . everything (pct) starting 1 week after last injection of Test E.
also ill have nolva on hand and ill be doing arimidex 1mg either ed or eod throughout.
also midcycle ill be doing a week of HCG m/w/f at 1000 iu's

you may want to do the nolva/clomid like jenetic says the first 2-3 weeks then change the clomid to eod after that to decrease the sides. also, you wont need that much a-dex. 0.5mg/day will be plenty. actually, you should start and 0.25mg/day and titrate up as needed. baseline labs, then labs prior to PCT then post PCT would be ideal but never done. please dont take this advice as pimping b/c that is not how it is intended! good luck on the cycle.

ps - dont need the midcycle HCG if you arent noticing any shrinkage!

 

[musketeer]

I'm doing Dbol 25mg/day & Sust 250mg week RIGHT now. I'm nearly two weeks in, 4 solid pounds up and feeling great. Don't feel that you have to do too much test (or Dbol for that matter) I'm 220lb going into the cycle and the 4lb gain represents about 20lb of muscle in 10 weeks -- that's some serious changes. There is no need to rinse your body on the first cycle. In fact, my first cycle was just 25-35mg Dbol a day and I went from 200-220 (I lost about half in the months after - but I didn't use any PCT) Don't let all these people talk you into doing crazy cycles.

 

[Djicy]

I'm doing Dbol 25mg/day & Sust 250mg week RIGHT now. I'm nearly two weeks in, 4 solid pounds up and feeling great. Don't feel that you have to do too much test (or Dbol for that matter) I'm 220lb going into the cycle and the 4lb gain represents about 20lb of muscle in 10 weeks -- that's some serious changes. There is no need to rinse your body on the first cycle. In fact, my first cycle was just 25-35mg Dbol a day and I went from 200-220 (I lost about half in the months after - but I didn't use any PCT) Don't let all these people talk you into doing crazy cycles.

I think I'm going to do 250 test a week and 20 mg Dbol a day for first 4 weeks you think that sounds ok for first time? Like you said I don't want to start off crazy i really want to start slow work my way up.

 

[musketeer]

Don't do less than 20mg of Dbol each day, and don't change the dosage on different days - keep your body on an even keel. Good luck.