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first off im not trying to preach to your here but share my experience...


i see more and more posts about teens here wanting or doing cycles....come on guys you are making a HUGE mistake starting this young..

why do you want to fuck yourself up like this at such a young age???....i know what im talking about here because im a case study....i started when i was 16 and did quite a bit over the last 20 + years....

so let me fill you in on what the shit did to me.

1. enlarged prostate
2. high blood pressure (meds for the rest of my life)
3. gyno
4. depression

now i have no clue what else will show up later on in life but when you start at a young age you are setting yourself up for some serious problems later on in life...

you may be a real dumb fuck like i was and dont care or even think about it because you only want to get big..but just wait till your my age and you will think different...trust me on this...if i had it to do over again i would have waited at least till i was 21 ....


now lets talk a bit about some of the other problems you dont hear about...forget about the gyno,prostate,hair loss and heart problems...those are pretty much a given..

lets talk about the psychological aspect of it...this shit fucks with your head in many ways....its very addicting...just wait till you go off your first cycle and you lose your gains and strength...thats how it gets ya my friend....you will feel like you can move a house one day and depressed as hell the next...


about 6 years ago shortly after ending what i thought would be my last cycle ever i just got out of the shower and all of a sudden i felt flush in the head..then my heart started to beat fast ...than i was feeling faint...my heart was beating so fast it felt like my ear drums were going to explode..i finally calmed down...left for dinner and when i got home it hit me again...i took myself to the emergency room...the ekg was normal....well this started to happen to me almost every day ...i went and had every fucking heart test there is....they couldnt find any problem...than one day i was on a flight from kalifornia to arizona...half way between it hit me again..this time it was real bad....they were giving me oxygen ..i thought when the plane landed i would be dead...no question about it....the plane landed and i was rushed to the hospital....still couldnt find anything wrong...

i get back home and found a new doctor....it took him about 3 seconds to tell me what was wrong....PANIC attacks...he put me on paxil and i never had one since...

i will also be on this for the rest of my life....so i asked him how come im getting these now in my life..my life wasnt stressful...everything was going well for me...so we went into my past history and i told him about using quite a bit of roids from 16 on....bingo...he said that its a very good chance that they caused a chemical imbalance in my brain but it took years for it to finally surface...

so in closing..use your FUCKING brain and DONT fuck around with this shit until your older....or you will end up like me or worse...many health problems or 6 feet under.
 
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This should be a sticky post. I think many youngins would greatly benefit from your wisdom.
 
thanks i appreciate that but i doubt they will listen...i wish i had someone to pound it in my head when i was 16 and just maybe i would be on high blood pressure meds for the rest of my life now.....in my opinion roids are just as addictive as coke or heroine
 
I actually gotta agree with some of this. 16 is too young to be juicing. But I think if you use steroids and don't abuse steroids 90% of those ill side effects won't happen to you.
 
I agree with the manchild, do every thing in moderation and take all precautions and all should go well. When on juice listen to your body and go to the docs office to check things out. We don't want to give the ordinary public proof of what they concieve about steroids. Be safe and grow.:D
---PEACE---Mad Max
 
true ..BUT...you are missing a couple key points...


when you start out young you dont know any better...and when you do your first cylce and see the gains in size and strength you feel like you could walk through a wall....BUT when you go off for the first time and lose ALL those gains...and you will.....thats what hooks ya...so now what.?...do another cycle and increase the doseage......


nuff said
 
MOD is right. At the age of 16-19 you are still growing and developing. Your testosterone is at an all time high and it is like you are on steroids anyway. When I was 19 I went from 155 pounds to 195 pounds in 6 months just from eating and lifting hard. It took 5 more natural years to get up to 210 chiseled and when I hit 27 I knew that I had maxed my natural limits. That is when I used steroids for the first time and for only a 5 week cycle. It blasted me past a plateau and I even gained more strength and size after the short cycle... The point being. I don't have to worry about the sides that MOD is talking about and I am thankful that I did not use steroids at a young age. MOD is sharing firsthand knowledge and I think he should know the effects more than anyone. Who is to say that he abused the steroids rather than used them? I think any use at a young age is abuse, regardless of how smart you think you are.

I see the guys who I grew up with who started juicing in their teens and they are a fucking mess now. They can't even sustain a work-out schedule unless they are "on." I hate to say it MOD, but you are probably right when you say that you are talking a to a brick wall. I guess everyone has to learn it on their own.
 
I agree, moderation is key. I started at 18 and my first cycle went well, I kept a lot of my gains and am happy but I did notice an increase in Panic attacks while on and even now I still get them a little but I never noticed them before I started. If you are going to use them then please be safe about it and do it responsibly.

M18
 
winstrol69 said:
Why would they lose all there gains when they come off the cycle? And you got gyno for not using anti-e:bawling:
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i didnt know about anti-estrogens 22 years a go...wish i did...im sure nolvadex was around then but i didnt hear of anyone using it or at least i cant remember it..no arimidex thats for sure
 
d00d that put shivers down my spine. im 18 turning 19 havnt really hit a HARD cycle. i think after the one im on now im guna wait a LONG time.
 
guess this post goes out to me..

Alright guys.. I am 15 and have done a few cycles in the past.. i agree with MOD, but i do not agree with the part about test levels being at an 'all time high', I think levels peak at early 20's....

I know you guys think i'm a dumb shit but i have had no problems (so far). I am just now getting some deca and sust and will probably start that soon since it has been a while since my last cycle....

I will admit I probably am stupid for starting this early, and in about 10 years i will probably regret this.. but a lot of positive things have come out of taking them, like my self esteem, and well i am now known as the "toughest" kid in school which gives me a great feeling..

I will be sure not to over due it though guys, this will be my last cycle until i get around 18, i promise :angel:
 
i know wat u are talkin about guys but wouldnt u say that an AS like Anavar can have less side effects than Pro-hormones thats why at 16 i think if i do a cycle of anavar it wont be as bad for me as a cycle of prohormones imoim not stupid like some kids in my town goin on test cycles for 12 weeks then loosin everything and sayin i need more im like ur sick and stupid + i dont need to b bigger everyone in my school calls me a freak and say that i have done a cycle b4 so doing a hard cyce would just b stupid i know and i will prob do 1 more cycle b4 im 20 and then thats it i think it would b safe just on Ox tell me if u think Ox would b safer than prohormones seriously i think its the better decision
 
When I first entered the juice world I too like many said only 1 cycle then i'm done. What happened, every one my friends started to juice and no one could take being smaller than the other one. I'm now on my 3rd cycle at 20 almost 21 and my goal this cycle is to not have to take test anymore. I have smartined up a little and will try to taper my dependency on juice to a minimal. When you are off you will go through a period of depression due to a lack in size in streanghth. Especially in your teens. Be smart and look into new items like liquedex which has been said to lower blood pressure and control estrogen levels. Also water bloat which will keep retention to a minimal as to lessen the weight loss after a cycle.
---PEACE---Mad Max
 
winstrol69 said:
Why would they lose all there gains when they come off the cycle? And you got gyno for not using anti-e:bawling:
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Anti-estrogens do a very good job, but it's still not a guarantee you won't get gyno.
 
So, if I read this correctly, should I not be adding a handful of D-Bols into the bowl of Sugar Frosted Flakes when mommy is not looking?

I heard you can drink Winny, but then should I take it now that its a bad idea to be adding Winny to my little brother's Formula bottles?
 
Teens that want to juice will juice, period. The best thing we can do is educate them. That being said, I still disagree with mod about juicing when you are young, I will say right now I'm a very narcissistic person, and on top of that I got fucked with an incredible amount during highschool, so my views are not at all orthodox. I think if I would have been bigger I might have developed into a more grounded person. I came out of high school at 125 lbs, I tried everything, I was cramming Mega Mass 4000 down my throat, loaded up on vanadyl sulfate, dibencozide, boron...6000 calories a day and I got no where. I got stronger, when I weighed 115 I could bench 185, but I never got any bigger. If I could take what I know now back to highschool, I would juice in a heartbeat, the key is knowledge. If you're under 21 you should not be using aromatizing drugs, as far as loosing your gains when you come off cycle, again the key is knowledge, if you don't know what you're doing, you can certainly loose your gains. Same with gyno, it can be defeated with the proper application of knowledge. You will not stunt your growth by using non-aromatizing drugs, you might even accelerate your bone growth. The one thing I agree with is the affects on your mood/mentality, your teen years are full of turmoil to begin with, and adding androgens could cause some real problems, but once again the proper application of knowledge can minimize the impact androgens have on your mood. Androgens lower all of your catecholamines, but they can be boosted with St. Johns Wort and ephedrine. Androgens also lower seretonin levels, but again they can be boosted with 5-HTP, or in the case of MOD Paxil. Unfortunately the teens that need to be reached will never see this, if they're on this board than they should already be educated, or on their way there. Just a little something from the other perspective
 
MOD
I 100% agree that youngsters shouldn't use. I also don't think Anyone should use AS until they've trained, and gone as far as they can naturally. Then, and Only then, consider AS. I know this isn't what most do,,,but it should be.

( AND, it cuts off growth!!)

If your problems occurred as a result of AS, its probably because of the age you started, but many people develop them who never touched gear.

However, as far as I know, theres been no research linking AS to panic attacks. I had them long before I used.
 
I wish I wouldn't have been offered roids till I was older. But on the flip side, at least I'm addicted to roids instead of cocaine or weed like my friends are.
 
Weed ain't addictive.

Tell that to my friends. They start useing weed to get out of the real world. Then they find out that weed temporally takes their problems away so they never want to go back to the real world. They loose all ambition and aspirations. Their money is spent on weed. Their relationships suffer because "who needs friends?" I only need weed to be happy. Weed may not be addicting, but look at how many people actually stopped useing weed after they have heavily used it.
 
Self control.
Ive used weed throughout high school, and i can stop in a sec. Opiates are addictive, weed isnt. I dont know anyone that is addicted to weed ( i know a lot of weed smokers). Actually, we disscused this in my sociology class; weed is one of the few drugs that isnt addictive psycologically or phisiologically. It is also NOT a gateway drug.
 
KNOWLEDGE IS THE KEY! BUMP FOR THIS POST! VERY INSIGHTFUL AND IMPORTANT IF YOU WANT TO LIVE A HAPPY LIFE!! BE RESPONSIBLE WITH A FEW THINGS IN YOUR LIFE!! EXCELLENT POST M.O.D. ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP. STICKY. W/O A DOUBT.
 
i am 18 years old and i have done 1 cycle already and going to do my next cycle soon. the difference between my previous cycle and the one i will be starting is that the new one is a straight androgen. this will not stunt growth, it actually promotes it. i will be doing 400 mg's of primo a week and some dbol. thanks to a bro on this board, i have decided not to do test until i am 20 or 21. if a young person is going to juice, tell him to stick to straight androgens like primo and anavar. and weed in my opinion is addicting. i have a friend that is actually addicted to it. he says that he can't think straight unless he's high. he fiends for it. that's my two cents.
 
M.O.D I GIVE YOU MUCH REPSPECT AND CREDIT FOR EVEN HAVING THE PATIENCE TO WRITE THIS AS FOR 99% OF THE TEENS READING WILL NOT COMPREHEND THIS WHATSOEVER.
 
Im 16 and I was about to do a cycle of winny and clen but i may just change my mind....although i didnt start yet, in my mind this will help me cut my bf%...im still thinking about it...but this post is inspiring...
 
trust me my friend if you wait at least a couple more years you will be happy you did....dont screw yourself up like i did..let your body finish growing on its own...
 
M.O.D., I totally agree with you bro on your outlook on things and I think that alot of us agree with you. You the man bro, you know what else I am wondering where the fuck do these 15&16 year olds get there connections? That is ridiculous. That is like how easy it is to by weed. What the hell are these youngins doing with AS anyways? At 16 shit I liked girls and they didn't give a damn if you looked ripped and huge. They cared about driving and cool clothes so little'ns take a ton of protein eat everything you see and lift.
 
thank you,

i didn't realize how many teens were on this site and im sure there are even more who are posting they are older...when i was a teen not many were juicing. it blows my mind how many are doing it now..

most of the posts here talk about how great as are but i felt the need to warn teens what they are setting themselves up for....

if your a teen and you start juicing (and note the shit out there now is more potent then what i was using)

you WILL fuck yourself up in some way that i can promise you.....it may not be right away but later down the road it will catch up to ya....
 
SlimTim said:
Im 16 and I was about to do a cycle of winny and clen but i may just change my mind....although i didnt start yet, in my mind this will help me cut my bf%...im still thinking about it...but this post is inspiring...
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ye dude wait...I can remeber at 16 when i started training how high was my test ...... i was offered many times to go on juice but just felt it was unnecessary..... now I'm 22 almost 23 I'm on my first cycle and with the searches I did I realized I took the good decision..... anf honestly I wouldnt have done juice but the RCMP (Canadian Police) physical test to get in the Organized crime squad are so damn tuff that i was left with no choice.

Trust me ... wait till you hit your "plateau"....then you can start thinking abour Roids


Bump for M.O.D.
 
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The_LaDiEs_MaN said:
I know you guys think i'm a dumb shit
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Yep, that sums it up nicely.

EVERYONE your age thinks they know everything, hell even at my age (23) I think I know everything, but I don't. The older, more experienced guys have been there and are giving you sold advice. If you're not a dumb shit, you'll take that advice and wait. At 15 I wasn't even into weight training. If you wanna stay a 4'11" midget for the rest of your life, then go ahead.
 
totally wrong on weed....

cannabis was previously thought not to be addictive due to the fact that it is fat-soluble and so the active drug and it's metabolites leave the body slowly and hence there is no comedown... also, it was previously not believed to influence dopamine. If a drug influences i.e. increases Dopamine or it's effects (by blocking dopamine uptake say) then that drug was considered to be addictive. Cannabis was found (within the last 10 years) to exert it's effects on a neurotransmitter called anandamide. Anandamide influences i.e. increases dopamine. Cannabis is addictive in some people.... why not all? Well, not everyone get's addicted to nicotine (another dopanine enhancer/increaser). While we're at it - steroids increase dopamine (via many pathways including the obvious testosterone increase).

The reason why cannabis DOES cause addiction in some people is largely due to a psychological addiction i.e. the user is self-medicating depression (dopamine and anandamide is effective for some depressions) and or the user is purely addicted to the euphoria (an un-natural state) of the dopamine/anandamide increase in their brain. Dopamine is the main neurotransmitter involved in addiction. But we have complex interaction here between anandamide and dopamine. Dopamine is no longer considered to be the only factor involveed in addiction - though it is the main one...

In conclusion, Cannabis is very addictive in some people, especially those with unresolved issues, depression/schizophrenia (cannabis is the most commonly abused drug by depressives and schizophrenics next to alcohol - probably again a result of the user attempting to alleviate albeit not entirely successfully the sympoms of the disease).
 
AAAAAAAAAAaghhgggggg!!!


Can you stop posting reefer madness USA proliferated mumbo jumbo.

Cannabis does not cause and has never caused Gyno.

Most recent studies have even found that cannabis either doesn't influence any sex hormones - estrogen or testosterone. One very recent study found an increase in testosterone amongst moderate and heavy cannabis users!!!??? Probably due to the dopamine increase - or possibly a fluke of the study. But conclusively weed doesn't cause gyno.
 
You shouldn't Blame your ignorance and bad experiences on other people by trying to preach on how bad the use of juice is.

You make me angry to say the least!



"I drove a car into the wall!"
You~ Noone should ever drive a car!, Because I was dumb and drove one into the wall."

"I shoot my head off"
You~ " Guns should all be melted, Because I was dumb and blew my head off"


Feel Sorry For You:(
 
for fuck sake it is not NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT a medical fact. Cannabis does not cause gyno. I smioke a 1/4 a week. Have done for 5 years. My mom grows the stuff. I have numerous friends that smoke the stuff... you are either winding me up (in which case ho ho) or ignorant of the true facts. Cannabis does not CATEGORICALLY DOES NOT NOT NOT NOT cause gyno... you are proliferting USA anti-drug 70's (but still existing today) prpoganda... your nation is totally messed up when it comes to drugs.. more so than any other nation.. During the 70's it began to proliferate anti-drug inclduning anti-cannabis propoganda... if you like I shall post you the latest research... concluding that cannabis does not cause gyno. PErIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:fro:
 
big jay

if your talking to me im not preaching only sharing what potential health problems in the future a TEEN my get by juicing....
 
you are reading literature that has 'done the rounds' as they say... many many many anti-drug sites (mainly american) continue to propogate this gyno nonsense that begun in the 70's and was based upon totally 'influenced' studies.....
 
bullshit gary...it may not cause YOU gyno but it does to other people....i know when i smoke which is rare these days my gyno flairs up...i also have a friend who smokes daily for the last 20 years.....this guy has major gyno and no he never used roids
 
and as for you Big Jay - MOD may be wrong, sorry is totally bloody wrong regarding cannabis, but he is right regarding teens and juice... they shouldn't bloody do it... but being as they are going to anyway they may as well do it properly.... safely.:mix:
 
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The_LaDiEs_MaN said:
but a lot of positive things have come out of taking them, like my self esteem, and well i am now known as the "toughest" kid in school which gives me a great feeling..
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Being tough has nothing to do with using AS or being big. Some of the largest people I have met or competed against are some of the biggest pussies I have met. Wait till a little guy shows you what time it is- that will definitely deflate your ego. Moral of the story is don't base your confidence on your size or drugs or you will be sure to lose the confidence sooner or later.
 
DUde (MOD) and dudes everywhere - one anecdotal case is not conclusive (I am a scientist - well in the middle of my PhD anyway). Your anecdotal story is tragic and I am sorry that yor health has suffered.... but you already admit that you knew nothing about safer roids or anti-estrogens...

Conclusion: Steroids do not addict every body. Steroids do not causes negative health effects in everybody.

Cannabis for the last time does not and has never ever ever ever been proven to cause gyno. It is now widely regarded by all (apart from (still) many of the the US government influenced ones) cannabis researchers - including myself that cannabis does not and has never caused gyno.

Your anecdoral story of gyno in your friend is either not connected to weed or if it is - he is an exception i.e. not representative of the vast vast majority of cannabis users... if cannabis caused gyno (think about it) there would be thousands of people walking round with bitch tits... and guess what - there isn't.

Finally...... (deeeeeep breath.... and inhalation of skunk --- ahhhhh!) cannabis does not cause gyno. :fro:
 
OK M.O.D. I understand your point but Don't you think people here learning have a better chance of using these drugs to help instead of cause problems?
Just asking
J
 
i think its important to have balance here...nothing i say will stop teens from using but i think its more important to let them know of the potential problems then what is the best cylce to use....i dont care what anyone says, anyone under 18 has no business taking roids
 
and i totally totally totally agree (don't I lke using the same words more than once?) teens should not take roids... but if they cannot be persuaded otherwise - then they may as well do it safely.... as safe as they can do it...

They most certainly shouldn't be hardcore with their doses. They should be learning about training and enjoying the natural growth of their young bodies (ooh-er!). However, this is in the ideal emerald city world. Meanwhile in the real-world there are people on this site - in their teens - that seem to be using safely (from what I have read)...

I am about to do my first proper cycle - I have been training on and off for 10 years. I am 32.
 
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Being tough has nothing to do with using AS or being big. Some of the largest people I have met or competed against are some of the biggest pussies I have met. Wait till a little guy shows you what time it is- that will definitely deflate your ego. Moral of the story is don't base your confidence on your size or drugs or you will be sure to lose the confidence sooner or later.
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You're damn right... you should go on gear only if you believe in this lifestyle after many years of training once you reached your "plateau" or a major reason motivates you to do so, thats what happening with me and the law enforcement carreer. This is not about being big, get chicks scare people...... these are stupid reasons which causes usually to some to either give it up or just go always harder on stuff (you never have enough....). I know I saw some stupid dumbass like this. You're probably the biggest guy at school, everyone he's scared but don't worry bro one day you'll face some wannabe who just to elevate is own self confidence will kick your ass in a way you weren't expecting.

Not always the biggest, but sometimes the smartest wins.... take care...cause you really need it
 
Do you think it's because you started roids young..... OR THE FACT THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING 'EM FOR 20 DAMN YEARS!!!!

I think if you started juice when you were 21 and did them for 20 years you'd still be pretty messed up...

Boy I hate this shit

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I kind of agree with you. I think the chances of young ones being mature enough to know what they are doing, are veeery small. But take me as an example:

I'm 18, ( just turned 18 weeks ago ) and i am aware that roids can be bad when young and stuff, but the cycles i do or will do the following years, are VERY MILD ones. I know i'm not the MASTER OF STEROIDS, the one who knows ALL ABOUT THE SUBJECT. But i try to keep myself informed, and i'm sure that i'm more mature, then MANY older guys who just put the liquid inside their ass, and then question themselves "by the way, what is this that i injected? Will i grow? Does is harm me? Can i use it safely?". I've been reading this board every single day for almost a year, and i've never done a cycle, but i'm getting ready to do my first, and i think i'm prepared, and i will do it the right way, so it doesn't come back to me when i'm older.

Anabolix
 
nana

Well well we all call those people who lift only when there on a cycle, CYCLE LIFTERS. Go on forever. The shit will never hurt you unless you dont knoe what your doing. No one has ever died from a steriod related incident. Stay oiled 4 ever
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M.O.D--I agree that kids should not juice, but I think its obvious the bulk of your side effects came from 20+ YEARS OF JUICING.

I'm 21, started juicing at 20, I plan on juicing till I settle down and get married 4 or 5 years. There is no way in hell I'm going to be injecting this shit for 20 years. Thats just asking for serious side effects.
 
very true...over 20 years of jucing no doubt has taken its toll...dont get me wrong im in great shape i just have a few kinks i have to deal with..like high BP..prostate seems to be in check and no more panic attacks...

hey i love being on as much as you guys i just strongly advise against anyone under 18 dont to use the shit....
 
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Well, I am 19 and i have never juiced before, im about to get on a 6 week cyc of 500 mg sus, do you guys think if i do one cycle, take clomid post cycle and never do anymore it will have many side effects, please reply/ beginning to worry!:confused:
 
LOL...roids are like lays potato chips..you cant just eat one....

but to answer your question....its very hard to say..some people can do a shit load for ever and no sides and some can do one mild cycle and get fucked up..

hell i have decided to stay on GH for ever and ever and i hope that will be a mighty long time:D
 
Ced--expect Acne, forget everything else, unless you juice consistantly for years and years, Acne is the most probable side effect.
 
The only thing is i had a really bad drug problem last year, i was on e and copious amounts of marijuana, and at one point i was so depressed, but finally im out of all that and very happy with my life right now. If i do this one cycle is it going to make me depressed again.:bawling: Help!
 
If you have a history of depression, then it would not be wise to do a cycle. The fact is, if you only plan on doing one cycle your entire life, its going to be hard to keep your gains your enire life. I've been off for about 4 months and still have most of my gains, but they are slowly slipping away so I'm about to hit another cycle. Roids are addictive in that way, and unless you plan on sticking to it for a while, depression will come when you can't retain all of your gains.
 
I'll be 21 in 3 months and I am about to start a 500mg a week cycle of sust for 10 weeks. I'm pretty small and I've never gotten bigger than what I am now.........I just dont know what to do!!!!! I dont have have a damn job or any damn chicks!!!!!!! I just dont know :(
 
I already am depressed and am on zoloft because of it. Im a teen 16 yrs old never used gear but i am planning to very soon. the reason i am depressed is because i am extremely underweight. it keeps me from doing a lot of things. you say gear got you depressed? i need gear to get out of depression.
 
i was actualy wondering if it is ok to use steroids while on zoloft. i doubt there woudl be any interaction but i thought i would ask anyway.
 
now this is what i call being thick



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16 and with depression serious enough for Zoloft... Yes, be a total twat and take steroids. Who the fuck prescribed you Zoloft due to depression caused by 'being underweight?' This makes a total mockery of depression - a serious illness.

Dude, you obviously don't know shit.. I suggest you start weight training properly - ask fit, big muscley people in your gym some tips on training.. Stick with basic exercises - squats, bench pres, etc. Eat more. Don't worry about eating junk - pizza etc, but do make sure you eat enough protein - add a quart of milk a day with protein powder (say 50g a day) to help those little muscles grow...

Then work on getting off the Zoloft.
 
when i was 18 i took my first cycle, winny, primo and clen. i thought i would wait untill i went off to play college football. i new alot of guys on are h.s. football team and they where big users. we where ranked ever year top 3 in state ever yr. like i said alot of guys 15,16,17 yrs old were using. which i thought was stuip! ANY young teens should not use! i feel your body is still growing! DONT USE STEROIDS IF YOU CANT STAY OUT PAST 11:00PM!!!:bawling:
 
M.O.D. do you think your hormonal imballance was caused by your juicing at an immature age? (just curious)
 
M.O.D said:
first off im not trying to preach to your here but share my experience...


i see more and more posts about teens here wanting or doing cycles....come on guys you are making a HUGE mistake starting this young..

why do you want to fuck yourself up like this at such a young age???....i know what im talking about here because im a case study....i started when i was 16 and did quite a bit over the last 20 + years....

so let me fill you in on what the shit did to me.

1. enlarged prostate
2. high blood pressure (meds for the rest of my life)
3. gyno
4. depression

now i have no clue what else will show up later on in life but when you start at a young age you are setting yourself up for some serious problems later on in life...

you may be a real dumb fuck like i was and dont care or even think about it because you only want to get big..but just wait till your my age and you will think different...trust me on this...if i had it to do over again i would have waited at least till i was 21 ....


now lets talk a bit about some of the other problems you dont hear about...forget about the gyno,prostate,hair loss and heart problems...those are pretty much a given..

lets talk about the psychological aspect of it...this shit fucks with your head in many ways....its very addicting...just wait till you go off your first cycle and you lose your gains and strength...thats how it gets ya my friend....you will feel like you can move a house one day and depressed as hell the next...


about 6 years ago shortly after ending what i thought would be my last cycle ever i just got out of the shower and all of a sudden i felt flush in the head..then my heart started to beat fast ...than i was feeling faint...my heart was beating so fast it felt like my ear drums were going to explode..i finally calmed down...left for dinner and when i got home it hit me again...i took myself to the emergency room...the ekg was normal....well this started to happen to me almost every day ...i went and had every fucking heart test there is....they couldnt find any problem...than one day i was on a flight from kalifornia to arizona...half way between it hit me again..this time it was real bad....they were giving me oxygen ..i thought when the plane landed i would be dead...no question about it....the plane landed and i was rushed to the hospital....still couldnt find anything wrong...

i get back home and found a new doctor....it took him about 3 seconds to tell me what was wrong....PANIC attacks...he put me on paxil and i never had one since...

i will also be on this for the rest of my life....so i asked him how come im getting these now in my life..my life wasnt stressful...everything was going well for me...so we went into my past history and i told him about using quite a bit of roids from 16 on....bingo...he said that its a very good chance that they caused a chemical imbalance in my brain but it took years for it to finally surface...

so in closing..use your FUCKING brain and DONT fuck around with this shit until your older....or you will end up like me or worse...many health problems or 6 feet under.
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this should be read
 
JUICEMAN said:
MOD : what kinds of cycles did you do then, and how old were you when they started to show up? thanks.
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just the boring stuff but back in the days thats all there was....halotestin, d-ball, winstrol. anavar. test ect....


i first did halotestin around the age of 15 or 16 and i first got gyno when i was around 18....never lost my hair or messed up my liver or kidneys but i never did insane doses either..


when i was 17 i had 18 inch arms and could do 85lb seated DB curls...one of the biggest side affects that i got was the addiction part...when i would go off i would start to lose strength and drive..then i would start missing workouts and losing my gains...and that is what gets you hooked to get back on and on and on and on.....i always stayed big but never kept that hard quality muscle look....finally now (or until i got hit by a fucking truck) thanks to the GH i started to get that hard quality look.
 
My first was last summer, I was and am 19, think thats too young? My next wil be in March when I turn 20, I won't do it more then once or twice a year
 
the key and i cant stress this enough , is when you go off your cycle you must train just as hard and consistant as you did when you were on the juice..also keep that diet dialed in...its hard to do but you will keep a good part of your aas gains if you can do this....if not you will get soft, fat and lazy...and all those pills and shots will be a waste:D
 
austin ,


keep up the good work and take it slow...and when you are ironmasters age you will have a rock solid look like he does....he is a God at the old folks home:D
 
man... this is one long post.

-MOD i think that teens.. especially ones on this board do listen to what you say and other well respected board members. After all thats why we are here. Its jackasses like the ladies man that give us a bad name. (no offense dude but your an idiot)

-Yeah i'm 16, havn't done any cycles. I sometimes look at anavar, but i always turn back... Its so tempting to get that upper edge especially in the major H.S. sports world. But there are actually safe drugs, anavar for example. it wont stunt one's growth and has been proven to help children with growing problems.

-Your right if teens are gona use gear, they are gona use gear, the best thing to do is to educate. It pisses me off when i see kids at my school who use deca and are basically huge. When we see stuff like that it makes us wana join the "dark side" They may have no sides in the future from it, but who knows.

-There really are alot of teens on this board.. Maybe we should have our own small section, i know it was proposed once.

-this is all i can think of right now
 
distortion,

i appreciate you being honest about your age....i know there are a shit load of teens on this board probably claiming to be older....nothing i or others say can stop you guys from using but if your going to use i strongly suggest doing you due diligence and learn as much as you can....and whatever you do stay away from the crap like ip, tok and vet drugs...
 
Well, MOD, I see all that love you got sent stirred you off your ass with an excellent post. That was the goal, of course. This is a fine thread.
You know how I feel.....there are 3 levels of training, no matter the age of the person training:
1. train natural with great intensity and proper nutrition until one's genetic potential is reached....this takes years, so may leave out some teens.
2. after due consideration to the legal implications, an informed use of standard steroids, properly cycled, is right for those who have made this a way of life, not a hobby.
3. Advanced competitors and eventually, the aging lifter (like you) will need to go to more complex drug strategies......GH, insulin, epo, il-15 and the like.
 
About the panic attacks and anxiety;there seems to be one hell
of a lot of juicers who have this problem.I have it as well,
now under control,thank God,with anti-D's.
The ones who have it know that there's NOTHING worse
than a severe panic attack.There is probably a genetic
predisposition for this present but I wonder if I'd ever
gotten it if I'd never done roids.

M.O.D,how severely did it affect your life?Did you get agoraphobia
and did it affect your social life and how long did it take until you got it under control?
 
This may fit here:

”Open up the dope valves and let the people take all the dope they want. Let ‘em dope themselves on out till there’s nothing left of it. Let the people do what they want to do. Take the rules and regulations off of it and then what you have left is the people that want to live. The people that want to die, let ‘em go. The people that want to destroy themselves, let them go ahead and destroy themselves.”

”Here is a story: Two men are in a cell. One said he wanted to die and was going to kill himself. The other said he wouldn’t let him. So the first guy killed the other guy and then killed himself. If people want to eat shit you can’t stop them without going with them.”
-Charles Manson
 
great info for teens thinking of cycles. I have one question. Where did they get the money at 15? Damn, I have trouble affording them now and I am a little shy of 20. I started when I was late 18 but I wish now I listened and waited at least another year or two!
 
Good post MOD. Yes the 80's - early 90's were great days man, no anti-E's no internet, gyno ran free. However people in general did much lower doses, you would have been considered seriously hard core if you did the doses I read here everyday, it just isn't necessary.
 
Great post! I know you feel like you are yelling at a wall here (I often do too) but it is worth saying. We need to be the "voice of reason" as I was called in an email sent to me. Which tells me my bitch post did do some good. I actually got several emails asking for sane cycle advice. Keep up the preaching. Not all ears are deaf here.

Peace
 
CRNT93 said:
About the panic attacks and anxiety;there seems to be one hell
of a lot of juicers who have this problem.I have it as well,
now under control,thank God,with anti-D's.
The ones who have it know that there's NOTHING worse
than a severe panic attack.There is probably a genetic
predisposition for this present but I wonder if I'd ever
gotten it if I'd never done roids.

M.O.D,how severely did it affect your life?Did you get agoraphobia
and did it affect your social life and how long did it take until you got it under control?
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before i got on the paxil mine were so bad i was afraid to leave the house...my heart would pound so fast and hard my ear drums felt like they were going to pop......my doc thinks my long use of aas may have triggered a chemical imbalance in my brain which caused these attacks...
 
All though I think it's all bad for a young person it's my opinion the worst part is that it makes the open ends of growing bones close up and stop growing. So infact you may be smaller than you would of been if you waited untill you were older to start. I know a few young guys that are dying to juice but they know better. Good luck, SMOG
 
i think the worst part aside from the side affects is the fact steroids are very addicting.....unless you can control it by using quality gear at sane doses things can really get out of controll...

2 grams of test a week....i feel like shitting my liver out just thinking about it:D
 
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