Take on fruit?

[JKurz1]

WHat is your take on fruit? Ive always refrained, but now in a bulking phase, I'm thinking it may not be the nbest way to go.....do you consume more of your fruit earlier in the day? Anyone against fruit pre-bed? We know that fruit postowrkout isnt optimal, but what other times of the day do you consume? Doesnt a ANPB and banana sound pretty fing tempting?

 

[harhar]

Do not refrain from fruit. You cannot get fat from fruit unless you eat ONLY high GI fruits or deep fry it. Think about the other stuff you eat before blaming fruit for making you gain weight. That said, ANPB + banana seems delicious. Great bulking snack prob.

Oh and btw, whats this thing about no fruits post-workout? I've been encouraged by many to eat high GI fruits right after workout to refill my glycogen tank (muscles).

 

[ashley2212]

WHat is your take on fruit? Ive always refrained, but now in a bulking phase, I'm thinking it may not be the nbest way to go.....do you consume more of your fruit earlier in the day? Anyone against fruit pre-bed? We know that fruit postowrkout isnt optimal, but what other times of the day do you consume? Doesnt a ANPB and banana sound pretty fing tempting?

I think fruit pre-bed is an awful idea. I don't see the point in spiking your insulin right before you go to sleep. Not to mention it would quicken the absorption of your last meal which is what you DON'T want to happen... you want your food to stay with you while you sleep.

Fruit is a great idea as soon as you wake up since your glycogen depletes over night. It helps you absorb your first meal a little quicker to get you going for the day. I don't see the point of having it any other time of the day other than when you first wake up. JMO.

 

[JKurz1]

Actually ashley, when combined with fats and carbs (anpb and babana sandwhich) the insulin spike is very minimal..............

 

[ashley2212]

Actually ashley, when combined with fats and carbs (anpb and babana sandwhich) the insulin spike is very minimal..............

I agree... but why not eat a complex carb later in the day if you're bulking rather than fruit?

 

[JKurz1]

What could be better? Healthy fats, potassium and vitamins, nutritious carbs...ANPB on whole grain with sliced banana..........

 

[harhar]

I think fruit pre-bed is an awful idea. I don't see the point in spiking your insulin right before you go to sleep. Not to mention it would quicken the absorption of your last meal which is what you DON'T want to happen... you want your food to stay with you while you sleep.

Fruit is a great idea as soon as you wake up since your glycogen depletes over night. It helps you absorb your first meal a little quicker to get you going for the day. I don't see the point of having it any other time of the day other than when you first wake up. JMO.

Meals dont get absorbed faster from fruits silly Methinks you should read up on proper nutrition books backed by RDs. The glycemic response of fruits also varies on the GI index. As an example, cherries have very low GI index.

High GI foods make you overeat not digest/absorb foods faster. Also, glycogen depletion will NOT happen overnight. Your body slows down its energy use during sleep. Glycogen depletion is only common among elite marathon runners. But it is also true the glycogen stores are lower in the morning so you better eat up the carbs.

 

[ashley2212]

Meals dont get absorbed faster from fruits silly Methinks you should read up on proper nutrition books backed by RDs. The glycemic response of fruits also varies on the GI index. As an example, cherries have very low GI index.

High GI foods make you overeat not digest/absorb foods faster. Also, glycogen depletion will NOT happen overnight. Your body slows down its energy use during sleep. Glycogen depletion is only common among elite marathon runners. But it is also true the glycogen stores are lower in the morning so you better eat up the carbs.

What I was trying to say was - fruit raises your insulin, therefore shuttling the food that you eat throughout your body more efficiently, which is why you look for that spike most specifically PWO... right? Attaining that insulin spike at other points in the day will serve no specific purpose other than to make you crash and become hungrier - as you said.

About glycogen and sleeping - okay, "depletion" was the wrong word to use, since that happens after a workout, not sleeping... But it is also true the glycogen stores are lower in the morning so you better eat up the carbs that's basically what I said, is it not? Back to my first point, if it works PWO, wouldn't it also have some positive effect after not eating 8+ hours?

Note to self: Stop responding to threads on the diet board - You are just a stupid girl.

 

[JKurz1]

What I was trying to say was - fruit raises your insulin, therefore shuttling the food that you eat throughout your body more efficiently, which is why you look for that spike most specifically PWO... right? Attaining that insulin spike at other points in the day will serve no specific purpose other than to make you crash and become hungrier - as you said.

About glycogen and sleeping - okay, "depletion" was the wrong word to use, since that happens after a workout, not sleeping... But it is also true the glycogen stores are lower in the morning so you better eat up the carbs that's basically what I said, is it not? Back to my first point, if it works PWO, wouldn't it also have some positive effect after not eating 8+ hours?

Note to self: Stop responding to threads on the diet board - You are just a stupid girl.

you arent stupid at all.............you are learning.......and maybe fruit isnt the best pre-bed................any other takes?

 

[Griz1]

I'm for fruit. I think any detriments to your goals are minimal when considered next to the benefits of fruits. If nothing else, your bowels will thank you.

Moderation is the key, if eating fruit is a concern.

That's my 2 cents worth.

 

[bLakstang2004]

I think fruit is an excellent snack pre-bed, as long as it's low GI...Some people don't want to chug down oats before bed.

A perfect snack would be cottage cheese and an apple for example.

The rationale for this is that a minimal amount of insulin would be produced to help shuttle the protein into the muscle cells more efficiently than if you were to just eat the cc alone.

Insulin, when used correctly, can help build quality muscle.

Ashley--- Don't be so hard on yourself...I'm sure you're a smart young lady. Keep posting and asking questions; we all learn new things everyday!!

 

[eat big]

i eat a lot of fruit, bananas in particular

 

[ashley2212]

LOL... omg somebody shoot me

 

[anthrax]

LOL... omg somebody shoot me

Not before you show us your ......

As for the question, Not all fruit are created equal......
So choose the right ones at the right time for the right purpose

 

[RussianRocket]

I avoid all fruit after 4:00 P.M.

By the way, fructose (fruits) = NOT the way to go Post W.O. - They replenish LIVER glycogen, NOT muscle glycogen. Get some maltodextrin + dextrose instead, foo!

 

[ASU]

If you really need fruits.. have it with either your first or second meal of the day and try to avoid high sugary fruits.. stick with apples, peaches, berries

 

[JKurz1]

If you really need fruits.. have it with either your first or second meal of the day and try to avoid high sugary fruits.. stick with apples, peaches, berries

complete non-sense...I train at 530pm, you tellingme I can't have a banana with my 1st pw MEAL?

 

[RussianRocket]

complete non-sense...I train at 530pm, you tellingme I can't have a banana with my 1st pw MEAL?

Why would you want fructose P.W.O.???

 

[JKurz1]

Ypu wouldnt and you are correct.........PW meal.....immidiately after training I have a dext.,whey shake.......then my 1st PW meal comes in about 1hr later...........I usually toss in a banana to this meal to aid in digestion and reduce soreness, fatigue.......

 

[psychedout]

Ypu wouldnt and you are correct.........PW meal.....immidiately after training I have a dext.,whey shake.......then my 1st PW meal comes in about 1hr later...........I usually toss in a banana to this meal to aid in digestion and reduce soreness, fatigue.......

Jkurz, I believe fruit pre-workout is the time to go if you gonna have it. Then or first thing in the morning. I believe they are the times when you need liver glycogen the most.

I can't say for sure thats true, just what i've heard.

 

[JKurz1]

I like in in my first PW meal 1-2hr before bed and in the am..........I think we are safe at those two times..........I train at night for the time being......

 

[ASU]

frutcose.. .were talking about bananas here, is needed the most as a pre-workout meal where you need the energy (from the banana) .. as post-workout meal, where your muscles fatigued, you will need complex carbs & protein to build your muscles

 

[ASU]

Especially right before bed time OMG!!!!!!!!

 

[Debaser]

I eat about 5 servings of [organic] fruit daily. Fruit is vitally important to your health. Especially berries. Blueberries, especially wild, are the most antioxidant rich fruit you can eat. Raspberries and pineapple are 2 other really good choices. Other than those, my favorites are pears, apples and bananas, which are less expensive. Organic food can be costly, but you get what you pay for.

A good rule of thumb that applies to fruits and vegetables is to eat "a rainbow" every day. That's pretty well covered by just the fruit that I eat, but I also eat 10-12 servings of vegetables each day as well.

 

[poopmonkey]

It's freakin' fruit for god's sake...can it really be bad for you?

Yes, fruit has carbs and some carbs can spike your insulin.

But don't forget that fruit is also loaded with fiber, which will counteract the insulin spike.
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[JKurz1]

It's freakin' fruit for god's sake...can it really be bad for you?

Yes, fruit has carbs and some carbs can spike your insulin.

But don't forget that fruit is also loaded with fiber, which will counteract the insulin spike.
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bad??? no one said it was bad......just not OPTIMAL for some, esp. during contest/prep or cutting phases.........I hate to admit it, but I agree with Debaser.......Blueberries and bananas are my new thing............

 

[gjohnson5]

I don't know of any fruit that doesn't contian some sugars. Some like pineapples and grapes have fairly high sugar content whereas apples are a little lower. I would avoid all pre-bed. As Macro told me do fibrous vegetables as they are low carb , low GI and slow digesting

 

[ASU]

Do we want slow digesting food for fat loss?

 

[gjohnson5]

Do we want slow digesting food for fat loss?

Problem with proteins is that the body converts them to glucose when stores are low. Slow digesting carbs such as firous vegetables should help bulking or cutting to maintain lean muscle instead of going catabolic. Yes I guess you could use fast digesting protein at night but you'll probably go catabolic in the process.

http://www.muscleoverload.com/Articles/suppl.shtml

 

[ASU]

what are some examples of fast digesting protein? is going catobolic negative for cutting?

 

[gjohnson5]

what are some examples of fast digesting protein? is going catobolic negative for cutting?

Well Whey is the number 1 example of fast digesting protein. A slow digesting protein would be caesin or basically protein from real food.

I guess going catabolic would not be negative for cutting but unless you are trying to weigh a certain amount or in an endurance sport, I wouldn't sell going catabolic. Muscle is a good thing, why burn it up, when it takes so long to build?

 

[anthrax]

Well Whey is the number 1 example of fast digesting protein. A slow digesting protein would be caesin or basically protein from real food.

I guess going catabolic would not be negative for cutting but unless you are trying to weigh a certain amount or in an endurance sport, I wouldn't sell going catabolic. Muscle is a good thing, why burn it up, when it takes so long to build?

Catabolism is what you want to avoid
Even when cutting

I takes weeks/months to buils muscles and days to "burn" them

 

[ASU]

We all want to build muscles and burn the fat.. we all need to avoid being catabolic?

 

[The Red Dragon]

Fructose doesn't promote insulin spikes does it? I thought it can traverse the cell membrane quite easily

Fructose will most likely be used to replenish liver glycogen (what you run out of when you wake up). Working out taxes both liver/muscle glyocogen but more muscle glycogen is used up...It's best to use glucose monomers or maltose disaccharides post workout, making sure there is indeed an insulin spike (in hopes to lower glucagon and cortisol)

With regards to catabolism, gluconeogenesis requires 2 g of muscle protein for 1 g of glucose...so not worth it.

Regardless, we all need fruits for antioxidants and other benefits. I like apples/bananas since they're cheap and have a long shelf life. Bananas also have about 300 or so milligrams of potassium and possibly 12 mg of tryptophan...its my night fruit. Although berries are the best fruit hands down, they're too damn expensive and their shelf life is crap, mine died 4 days in the fridge.

Any suggestions regarding fruits that are cheap, yet are high in antioxidants/other benefits?

 

[6_pak]

If your cutting i would never recommend fruits before bedtime or any carbs for that matter. All simple carbs causes insulin spikes. At nite i would reccomend eating protein/fat meals. Fructose does nothing to replenish muscle glycogen. You need dextrose or maltodextrine for PWO. Fruits in the morning or before w/o would be ok.

 

[JKurz1]

If your cutting i would never recommend fruits before bedtime or any carbs for that matter. All simple carbs causes insulin spikes. At nite i would reccomend eating protein/fat meals. Fructose does nothing to replenish muscle glycogen. You need dextrose or maltodextrine for PWO. Fruits in the morning or before w/o would be ok.

Once again, people fail to think of WHEN PEOPLE TRAIN!!!!! If you train at night, you damn better have carbs before bed.............also not all fruits are simple..........

 

[gjohnson5]

We all want to build muscles and burn the fat.. we all need to avoid being catabolic?

Yes, in order to build muscle you must be anabolic , not catabolic. This is true for cutting or bulking

 

[gjohnson5]

Once again, people fail to think of WHEN PEOPLE TRAIN!!!!! If you train at night, you damn better have carbs before bed.............also not all fruits are simple..........

But how many people leave the gym and then immediently go to bed???

As stated I would avoid all fruit before bed and use a slower digesting carbohydrate post workout if you train at night.

 

[6_pak]

Once again, people fail to think of WHEN PEOPLE TRAIN!!!!! If you train at night, you damn better have carbs before bed.............also not all fruits are simple..........[/QUOTE

If your pwo or ppwo does fall right before bed, then yeah you better eat them. Never said that! But IMO there are better options for fast digesting carbs rather than fruit. Fruit at other times of the day are acceptable. I eat them in my pro/carb meals twice a day, but i always stick with dex or maltodextrine for pwo. In my statement earlier i didnt take in account that his pwo was right before bed. I,personally, believe that, especially when cutting, the last meal before bed should be a slow digestive protein and fat.

 

[JKurz1]

Once again, people fail to think of WHEN PEOPLE TRAIN!!!!! If you train at night, you damn better have carbs before bed.............also not all fruits are simple..........[/QUOTE

If your pwo or ppwo does fall right before bed, then yeah you better eat them. Never said that! But IMO there are better options for fast digesting carbs rather than fruit. Fruit at other times of the day are acceptable. I eat them in my pro/carb meals twice a day, but i always stick with dex or maltodextrine for pwo. In my statement earlier i didnt take in account that his pwo was right before bed. I,personally, believe that, especially when cutting, the last meal before bed should be a slow digestive protein and fat.

Fruit is NOT ideal PW.....thats not what I meant.......however, nixing carbs before bed if you train at night is only preventing gains.......

 

[6_pak]

Fruit is NOT ideal PW.....thats not what I meant.......however, nixing carbs before bed if you train at night is only preventing gains.......

I agree!!

 

[Allon]

Why is fruit not ideal post workout?

 

[6_pak]

Why is fruit not ideal post workout?

Fruits are made up of fructose, which does nothing to replenish glycogen levels. That is the object of a PWO. You need dex or maltodextrine!!

 

[|D_J^B_J|]

Regardless, we all need fruits for antioxidants and other benefits. I like apples/bananas since they're cheap and have a long shelf life. Bananas also have about 300 or so milligrams of potassium and possibly 12 mg of tryptophan...its my night fruit. Although berries are the best fruit hands down, they're too damn expensive and their shelf life is crap, mine died 4 days in the fridge.

Any suggestions regarding fruits that are cheap, yet are high in antioxidants/other benefits?

Buy your berries frozen. It's cheaper than buying them fresh and they obviously last for much longer.

My favourite fruits would have to be bananas, apples, berries, peaches, mango and pineapple. However, I try to limit my intake mango and pineapple because they are both very high in sugars.

Does the theory to only eat fruit for breakfast or pre-workout also apply to tomatoes? Tomatoes are technically a fruit, but usually included in the vegetable category and often added to salads? I'm fairly sure the sugar content of tomatoes is low compared to other fruits ?

 

[gjohnson5]

Fruits are made up of fructose, which does nothing to replenish glycogen levels. That is the object of a PWO. You need dex or maltodextrine!!

1. grape sugar = glucose
2. the liver can convert fructose into dextrose.

 

[anthrax]

This thread is pointless as all fruit are not created equal

berrries are not bananas which are not tomatoes (all being fruits)

 

[harhar]

I eat raisins after workout. Surely that is good??

 

[6_pak]

1. grape sugar = glucose
2. the liver can convert fructose into dextrose.

Yeah my bad, i meant glucose, but my point's still the same.

 

[georgie24]

fruit will not kill your diet. unless you eat a whole orchard of apples and a vine of grapes and a gang of banana's in one sitting

 

[ASU]

Fruits are made up of fructose, which does nothing to replenish glycogen levels. That is the object of a PWO. You need dex or maltodextrine!!

what about complex carbs (oats, yams, brown rice) do they do any magic?

 

[6_pak]

what about complex carbs (oats, yams, brown rice) do they do any magic?

Not for pwo. You have been really pushin complex carbs for pwo for the past two days. I know ive answered this on more than one occasion. I guess your asking again to get a different answer from someone else. Anyone that knows anything about this issue will tell you exactly what ive been saying. Is there any reason whatsoever you dont believe me. Do some research on it. Dont take my word, or anyone elses word, find out for yourself if you dont believe me.