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I'm on my last dose of 25mcg(working up to 50) and at this dose T3 absolutely sucks. What a waste.

I started with 12.5mcg, and I absolutely loved it, I never looked fuller before and I was actually gaining muscle. Muscles were hard.

25mcg sucks, I feel like I've lost 20lbs of muscle but it's just really feeling flat. Everything is soft and I can't get a muscle pump for my life. It's not the low carbs either, I ate a shitload of carbs Saturday and Sunday, and Nothing!!! Just a bloated Stomach.

I can't wait to start clen.
 
im not too sure why you would even try that when it is a known fact that T3 burns muscle. Im starting a T3 cycle in a week or so and Im hoping that it burns a good amount of fat and no muscle. But ill also be on sus and winny.
 
I dont knwo bro..my six pack is coming out pretty nicey on t3...but cant wait to throw in clen ina few days when iget of eca too:D Im taking in350-420 g of protein /day though.. and on Fina/Eq/Dbol Proviron/ Nolvadex Eca though////and will be adding clen instead of Eca soon....(i was originall y on Ip winny but even @ 4 pills a day the shit had minimall efects so switched to dboll... I am curently on 25 m g..and cant wait to do 50 75..100 =)
 
"I started with 12.5mcg, and I absolutely loved it, I never looked fuller before and I was actually gaining muscle. Muscles were hard. " ~you~


dude ,you thought you would gain from t3.....common
 
take them one for one............for every t-3 take a clen
ramp to 4 each per day then ramp down.
Now I have asked this question b-4 with no response
But if you 20% bf vs someone thats 10% bf how will the t-3 effect your muscle loss ???
 
I know it did. But I know my body so well that I figured what the hell. Clen puts muscle on me, and I'm at 15-16% Bodyfat (Started at 18%) which means my body is more inclined to burn fat (I hope so :( ). My diet is perfect, lots of protein (350g).

25 mcg absolutely sucks. Very little fat burning, Unless you've been dieting for more than 4 weeks naturally and t3 count is low.
 
You can gain from T3..... it metabolizes everything faster so if you tak in ridiculous ammonbts of protein.... 2- 2.5 / LB :) well...... and low carbs....welll..... ive talked to many pro competitors that i know..and this is what they do... excpet they do venture much higher into the dosages...and not just eat protein but fast food etc..up to few weeks be4 show.... (think lee priest of season)...hmm. sory i forgot..he was on Hydroxycut..my bad=:D
 
Brett said:
"I started with 12.5mcg, and I absolutely loved it, I never looked fuller before and I was actually gaining muscle. Muscles were hard. " ~you~


dude ,you thought you would gain from t3.....common
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Trust me, I did. Strength was going up and so was size. This is an amazing dose that I will consider doing again. Plus it doesn't shut down Natural Thyroid production.

I didn't think I was going to gain muscle but I did (at 12.5mcg only)
 
Btw..andy...if your at higher Bf% then yes your body tends to loose fat quicker then muscle..as yo shif tinto singel digit bf% it turns the other way bro..... ..jsut see what works for you and do it don tlisten too everyones advice..not even mine..mos timportant what i found is seing what workes for one and stickin to it..peace:bday:
 
Promet1 said:
take them one for one............for every t-3 take a clen
ramp to 4 each per day then ramp down.
Now I have asked this question b-4 with no response
But if you 20% bf vs someone thats 10% bf how will the t-3 effect your muscle loss ???
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At 20% BF you have excess Bodyfat, That your body doesn't really need. You are more inclined to burn bodyfat than muscle.

For anyone in the 20-25% BF range, I recommend stavation diets(8-9X your bodyweight in cals). Usually these people will not shed any LBM.

At 10%, you are already lean, you should be very worried about muscle loss especially on T3.

For me, I know I lose LBM at about 11-12 %.
 
I'm sure I will get some flames for this statement but any that takes T3 and is not a pro is wasting their time. Pros take T3 for a specific reason, to prepare for a contest. Which is a one-day event. If anyone expects to have some sort of long-term positive effects they are kidding themselves. You have two choices with T3. Go off of it and have a rebound effect (get fat or gain useless weight). Or two, take ever-increasing doses until you have to go on thyroid replacement for life.

I speak from experience it is a trap and if you continue to use it many will have to take synthroid for life like me. I consider myself wiser now but it is to late for that. Don't make the same mistake. If there’re any pro's here who are somewhat intelligent they will tell you the same thing.
 
T3 for life dont seem bad...:)

Everyday..pizza hut..and buffet...and still cut=)
 
Lone_Az, If you take t-3 and ramp up and down slowly for no more than 35 days, you can lose a good deal of bodyfat, and keep it off. The key is to make sure your diet is perfect once you stop taking the drug. It's obviuos that at this point the thyroid will not be functioning properly, so you must compensate with diet/cardio. Gugglebolics is also a good product to take once you stop t-3 to speed up the thyroids recovery time.
 
How long until your thyroid recovers and returns to normal post cycle? I'm going on a fina/winny/test/t3 cycle in a few weeks (t3 @ 12.5mcg up to 75mcg). Thanks
 
Lone Az,

I beleive that you have very good points. This stuff is for veterans only, and pre contest.

However, it does not shut down your natural thyroid production permanently. That's a myth.

It does seem like a stupid drug to take however since it takes so much commitment post cycle. You think a post cycle crash on AS is bad? Thyroid crash is much worse. You will be shut down and below normal for at least 4weeks after your cycle, and up to 6 weeks (for regular cycles).

This is a time to start cutting back calories and dieting, if you stick to your buffets and pizza you are quite "FUCKED".

I'll be posting a HUGE write up on T3 in the near future. Stay tuned.

In the meantime, here's a study I found posted by Brock Stasser.



N Engl J Med 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4

Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy.

Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH.

The pattern of thyrotropin secretion was analyzed in seven euthyroid women, before and after withdrawal of long-term thyroid hormone, by serial measurements of thyroid 131l uptake, serum thyroxine, tri-iodothyronine, and thyrotropin concentrations, and the response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone. During exogenous hormone administration, 131l uptake was suppressed, and serum thyrotropin concentrations before and after administration of thyrotropin-releasing hormone were undetectable.

After withdrawal of exogenous hormone, thyrotropin secretory function was transiently impaired, as indicated by undetectable basal thyrotropin concentrations together with absence of response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone, and subsequently by normal values of basal thyrotropin concentration and normal responses to releasing hormone while serum thyroxine and tri-iodothyronine concentrations were subnormal.

Decreased thyrotropin reserve persisted for two to five weeks. Detectable values of serum thyrotropin (less than 1.2 muU per milliliter) and a normal 131l uptake usually occurred concurrently in two to three weeks. Serum thyroxine concentration returned to normal at least four weeks after hormone withdrawal.
 
Btw, just came back from a chest workout, and I BLEW up. Meaning, I pretty much double in size after my workout from the pumps. I definetely have not lost any muscle, and I got an extra rep on incline DB presses.
 
Ramp up ramp down however you want to justify it T3 is a bad choice for those of who are not Pros. I used this very same method and bingo my thyroid did not recover. People need to realize that reading something and apply it to you are two different things. Sometimes things do not always go like the book says they will. For fat loss nothing beats cardio and a clean diet. Short cuts can sometimes come back to bit you in the ass no matter how careful you are. All I’m saying is that if you want to use T3 then be prepared to pay the consequences.
 
LONE_AZ said:
Ramp up ramp down however you want to justify it T3 is a bad choice for those of who are not Pros. I used this very same method and bingo my thyroid did not recover. People need to realize that reading something and apply it to you are two different things. Sometimes things do not always go like the book says they will. For fat loss nothing beats cardio and a clean diet. Short cuts can sometimes come back to bit you in the ass no matter how careful you are. All I’m saying is that if you want to use T3 then be prepared to pay the consequences.
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Lone AZ, can you describe your cycle?

Also were you eating clean after your cycle? Same amount of fodd or less? Did you use any supplements?

I'm interested in what you have to say. Thanks
 
This was over two years ago so I do not remember the particulars. I can tell you that I did not know right away it took about three months before I went to the doc. Symptoms: Weight gain, fatigue, lack of sex driveand dry skin. Overall I did not feel well at all.

You are right that T3 will not shut you thyroid down but it can decrease its it function. My diet was clean also as I recall I took it for 5 weeks gradually stepping up and than down. Sorry I wish I could remember the details but I just can’t.
 
LONE_AZ said:
I'm sure I will get some flames for this statement but any that takes T3 and is not a pro is wasting their time. Pros take T3 for a specific reason, to prepare for a contest. Which is a one-day event. If anyone expects to have some sort of long-term positive effects they are kidding themselves. You have two choices with T3. Go off of it and have a rebound effect (get fat or gain useless weight). Or two, take ever-increasing doses until you have to go on thyroid replacement for life.

I speak from experience it is a trap and if you continue to use it many will have to take synthroid for life like me. I consider myself wiser now but it is to late for that. Don't make the same mistake. If there’re any pro's here who are somewhat intelligent they will tell you the same thing.
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You have some good points, but using T3 alone for 30days or so and then following up with Clen/ECA and good diet and you won't rebound.
 
It's been known for a long time that if you have sub-optimal levels of T3, that the addition of T3 (5mcg-12.5mcg/day) can INCREASE protein synthesis. Since most people have sub-optimal T3 levels this is why people report gaining on it and why others add 5mcg or 12.5mcg to their bulk cycles.

The problem is when you surpass that level and then T3 becomes catabolic. Without AS I would guess this is somewhere between 25mcg - 50mcg/day.

Brett said:
"I started with 12.5mcg, and I absolutely loved it, I never looked fuller before and I was actually gaining muscle. Muscles were hard. " ~you~


dude ,you thought you would gain from t3.....common
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Already wrote Andy on this but wanted to see what you guys thought as well.

Do you think taking a low dose of T3 while on DNP and Clen would have any positive effects on additional fat loss. I am not taking any kind of AAS so I am worried about muscle loss. I am on a 4 week DNP cycle with the clen running 2weekson/2off. I wanted to take 1/2 tab (12.5mcgs T3) ED for this next week, then bump it to 25mcgs for the following week and then back down to the half tab ED for the last week.
DO you think this would cause me to crash, slow down my thyroid for an extended period of time after the DNP?
Is there anything to take to help your thyroid recover a little quicker?

Thanks in advance for your help.

mitch
 
mitch1301 said:
Already wrote Andy on this but wanted to see what you guys thought as well.

Do you think taking a low dose of T3 while on DNP and Clen would have any positive effects on additional fat loss. I am not taking any kind of AAS so I am worried about muscle loss. I am on a 4 week DNP cycle with the clen running 2weekson/2off. I wanted to take 1/2 tab (12.5mcgs T3) ED for this next week, then bump it to 25mcgs for the following week and then back down to the half tab ED for the last week.
DO you think this would cause me to crash, slow down my thyroid for an extended period of time after the DNP?
Is there anything to take to help your thyroid recover a little quicker?

Thanks in advance for your help.

mitch
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I answered your PM/ Btw.

25mcg will completely shut you down. It shuts you down as much as 300mcg or any other dose. Keep your dose at 12.5mcg.

Take Taurine with your clen at 3-5g ED to make sure you don't crash frm the Clen. Clen depletes Taurine levels in the liver which slows down the conversion of T4 to T3.

Also L-tyrosine+Vitamin C is great following a cycle such as yours.
 
bro you have to be on juice when doing t3

And it actually rocks once you get up to 75-100mcg/day. It is very catabolic so you must be taking anticatabolic material when you use this (AS or HGH)
 
Lone AZ, good post

Arizona I think you make a good statement for people to think twice about thyroid med's, or take them more seriously than juice. To me personally they are the most dangerous of most of the bodybuilding drugs we talk about on these boards(besides DNP obviously and slin). Mainly because you can mess up your thyroid function pretty easily. Like someone said above, a steroid crash is one thing, thyroid crash is another.

I lived near Venice Beach for about 5 years, worked out at the Gold's & World's there. I also at the time was a pharmaceutical rep for a company that made a generic version of Synthroid (the #1 selling T4, #1 thyroid med in revenue) So I got to talk with alot of endo's about athletes use of thyroid med's, since they saw alot of these people due to the location. One Dr., a vietn. guy who was one of the smartest people I've ever met, gave me horror story after horror story. He wasn't trying to scare me either, but probably 80% of his practice was thyroid patients. He would let me sit in on a patient consultation (if the patient agreed) for my own benefit to learn. When you've sat across from someone that can't get their thyroid functioning properly (especially if they're fitness minded), you won't see a more depressed person. Months of massive weight, mood, etc... swings and weekly visits to the endo for bloodwork and adjustments. So I see Arizona's thoughts that it can easily turn into a vicious cycle and for some people could cause much more serious problems. And if you were a newbie and just found this board with the amount of T3 posts you might jump into it quicker than you should

Given all of that, I would like to hear people's thoughts on a smaller dose, say 5mcg-12.5mcg/daily for extended periods(months) as more of a "metabolic optimizer". I wish I still lived by some of my old Dr.'s so I could ask some of the more open minded ones about this.
 
As soon as I get over 50mcg / day, T3 kicks the hell outa me and I feel like complete hell. The only time I would ever take it now would be during a high test cycle with only about 12.5mcg per day for the metabolism increase.
 
you should be getting some nice results when clen is added...you live and learn...although T3 has never interested me...there's some great info on this post...keep up the progress report BA...
 
Re: Lone AZ, good post

klomidman said:
Arizona I think you make a good statement for people to think twice about thyroid med's, or take them more seriously than juice. To me personally they are the most dangerous of most of the bodybuilding drugs we talk about on these boards(besides DNP obviously and slin). Mainly because you can mess up your thyroid function pretty easily. Like someone said above, a steroid crash is one thing, thyroid crash is another.

I lived near Venice Beach for about 5 years, worked out at the Gold's & World's there. I also at the time was a pharmaceutical rep for a company that made a generic version of Synthroid (the #1 selling T4, #1 thyroid med in revenue) So I got to talk with alot of endo's about athletes use of thyroid med's, since they saw alot of these people due to the location. One Dr., a vietn. guy who was one of the smartest people I've ever met, gave me horror story after horror story. He wasn't trying to scare me either, but probably 80% of his practice was thyroid patients. He would let me sit in on a patient consultation (if the patient agreed) for my own benefit to learn. When you've sat across from someone that can't get their thyroid functioning properly (especially if they're fitness minded), you won't see a more depressed person. Months of massive weight, mood, etc... swings and weekly visits to the endo for bloodwork and adjustments. So I see Arizona's thoughts that it can easily turn into a vicious cycle and for some people could cause much more serious problems. And if you were a newbie and just found this board with the amount of T3 posts you might jump into it quicker than you should

Given all of that, I would like to hear people's thoughts on a smaller dose, say 5mcg-12.5mcg/daily for extended periods(months) as more of a "metabolic optimizer". I wish I still lived by some of my old Dr.'s so I could ask some of the more open minded ones about this.
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Very good points, T3 SHOULD NEVER BE TAKEN LIGHTLY!!

It's not something you just throw into the mix. It takes a great deal of research (I've been reading medical files/Studies/Books/posts/experiences since October) and commitment. If you don't "kow your body" don't try this drug. If you don't know what "knowing your body" means, don't even consider it.
 
da big thinker said:
you should be getting some nice results when clen is added...you live and learn...although T3 has never interested me...there's some great info on this post...keep up the progress report BA...
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Yes, I'm going up to 37.5mcg tomorrow, and then add clen after tommorrow.

You know, I woke up yesterday and I said to myself what the fuck am I doing messing with my thyroid. I really don't think this drug is worth it, as far as the crash. I hope it's not too bad, I'm preparing myself, but I know it will happen.

It's very hard mentally to use T3 without AS, my legs are so flat, but yet they haven't lost a fraction of an inch. They look like a runaway models legs.

I'm constantly pumping up where ever I go. At my girlfriends place, I started freakin' out because I couldn't feel my delts, they were numb. I grabbed a large bag of milk and started doing lateral raises.

12.5mcg was amazing though.
 
The comments on this thread are good. No flames which is rare. If you decide to use T3, all I can say is be careful. Taking a pill every day may sounds easy but it is really not. It has to be taken on an empty stomach one-hour prior or three-hour after a meal. Missing doses are a big deal to. Chronically low thyroid is also linked with heart disease because low thyroid caused elevated blood lipids. So this it a serious health condition which has to be monitored for the rest of my life. I hope that those who are considering using thyroid meds think long and hard about it and the potential consequences.
 
I would suggest that people go to there local libraries and pick up a few books on the Thyroid. The thyroid source book is a good one. There's even a Thyroid for dummies book.

Thyroid disease is a HUGE deal that can cause many complications and problems in the future.

The best time to take T3 is as soon as you wake up. You can take up to 50mcg at once. Anymore and you need to split it through the day. Also make sure that you don't eat breakfast for at least 30mins after you take it.
 
Bigandy I don't get it. You've repeatedly said that 12.5mcg is awesome so why did you ever go above that dosage? Why risk going any higher if you had such good results at 12.5mcg. This dose should be low enough not to risk permanent thyroid suppression while still giving your metabolism a boost, especially if you've been dieting awhile and it's already becoming sluggish.

Also it would seem that you shouldn't have much of a crash coming off of a 6-8 week 12.5mcg dose as long as you didn't up your calories instantly.
 
Vageta said:
Bigandy I don't get it. You've repeatedly said that 12.5mcg is awesome so why did you ever go above that dosage? Why risk going any higher if you had such good results at 12.5mcg. This dose should be low enough not to risk permanent thyroid suppression while still giving your metabolism a boost, especially if you've been dieting awhile and it's already becoming sluggish.

Also it would seem that you shouldn't have much of a crash coming off of a 6-8 week 12.5mcg dose as long as you didn't up your calories instantly.
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I had a set cycle and I just started with 12.5mcg to see how it feels. I was just curious, I guess, and went on with my regular schedule.

25mcg is actually better than 12.5mcg. I'm gaining muscle/strengh and I look really good. Eating 2400cals. It 's just that one minute you look like you're ready to set on stage at the Olympia, and the next minute you feel like a runaway model.

Weirdest drug, I've ever used. I'm also getting minor stomach pains, and adding Ephedrine at 37.5mcg, my dick has gone to hell.

Never again will I mess with my thyroid like this, even if it gives me amazing results(which it probably will) Not worth it. I'll stick to 12.5mcg in the future, gives you great energy, improve nutrient uptake and doesn't shut you down.
 
hmm this is an interesting post. using t3 at this lower dosages is something I have not heard of. I used a T3 FAQ post that had a ramping equation in it and for my first cycle I planned to run it like this:
WEEK 6-11:
T3:
1111122
2223333
3444444
4333332
2222111
11010.50

Here is my complete cycle:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=126334

DO I stand to do permanent damage or will the ramping take care of slowly getting my thyroid up and going again?
 
I actually cant wait to take t3 with clen and yohimburn. Have heard it works great so I am just waiting and hoping it does as good for me as for some of you guys.
 
HugeWannabe said:
hmm this is an interesting post. using t3 at this lower dosages is something I have not heard of. I used a T3 FAQ post that had a ramping equation in it and for my first cycle I planned to run it like this:
WEEK 6-11:
T3:
1111122
2223333
3444444
4333332
2222111
11010.50

Here is my complete cycle:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=126334

DO I stand to do permanent damage or will the ramping take care of slowly getting my thyroid up and going again?
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Your going to damage your thyroid no matter what you do. How much you damage it depends on you. There is no such thing as safe use, only safer use.

It looks like an acceptable cycle. I'll be posting a large write up on T3 soon that should answer all question and more.
 
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