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Armbreaker
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Many here seems to take a little of sustanon but where I live most guys take around 2000 mg/week. This really make results.
Are there any guys here with same experience.
Are there any guys here with same experience.
Sustanon-- the REAL story
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GoldenDelicious
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for those of you guys interested in knowing what the graph looks like, all you will see is taht following a dose of sustanon you will get a rapid increase in blood test levels (due to the two esters with a 3 day half life) and then a relatively stable amount of test for a week or so, and then a slow decline in test after about 2 weeks, and then quite a rapid decline after 3 weeks.
i dont think sustanon is a good choice for BBers on its own, because it is designed for HRT where you want to achieve relatively stable test levels which slowly decrease over about a month, and then you give another shot...and again, and again, and again...forever.
bodybuilders on the other hand want a rapid increase in test levels (ok sust does this) which we want to remain high for the length of the cycle (ok sust can do this too), and then rapidly drop off (sust does NOT do this), so we can start pct and get our endogenous test back on track. this is where sust falls on its face- it is designed for a slow decrease over a month or so, and so using it alone, you wont get that rapid drop in test that you ideally want (when i say rapid, i mean a week or two) itll take too long.
dont get me wrong, it is convenient if you are on all the time. it is convenient if you dont like lots of shots. but ideally you want to only use it for the first month MAX out of a 10 week cycle, and switch to another shorter half life anabolic afor the last part of the cycle so that you can control the drop in test levels making it nice and quick, preparing yourself for pct
like i said, sust used alone all the way through on the once a week style dosing regimes we see all the time will give you great gains...but a godawful crash at the end because pct is not as effective. actually this is probably why sust is so popular with older BBers who did not use pct- they thought they were doing an 8 week cycle when in fact, in essence, they were doing a 12 week one, and also, in the absence of proper pct with an anti e, a soft drop in test levels over time is probably what you are aiming for. (ie its a good product to use if you arent doing pct). this of course makes you say "why wouldnt anyone do pct?" well in this day and age, everyone wants to do pct. its the people 20 years ago who didnt know how to do pct that would have benefitted most from this product.
this is all hypothetical of course, im not telling people to go out and use sust witout a doctors script for muscle building. im jus trying to adress all the "wow!!" replies and the people thinking that sust is the answer for an effective cycle.
short version: sust alone = good test levels, good gains on cycle, but shitty pct, meaning a harder crash whether you like it or not (for the most part).
cheers
i dont think sustanon is a good choice for BBers on its own, because it is designed for HRT where you want to achieve relatively stable test levels which slowly decrease over about a month, and then you give another shot...and again, and again, and again...forever.
bodybuilders on the other hand want a rapid increase in test levels (ok sust does this) which we want to remain high for the length of the cycle (ok sust can do this too), and then rapidly drop off (sust does NOT do this), so we can start pct and get our endogenous test back on track. this is where sust falls on its face- it is designed for a slow decrease over a month or so, and so using it alone, you wont get that rapid drop in test that you ideally want (when i say rapid, i mean a week or two) itll take too long.
dont get me wrong, it is convenient if you are on all the time. it is convenient if you dont like lots of shots. but ideally you want to only use it for the first month MAX out of a 10 week cycle, and switch to another shorter half life anabolic afor the last part of the cycle so that you can control the drop in test levels making it nice and quick, preparing yourself for pct
like i said, sust used alone all the way through on the once a week style dosing regimes we see all the time will give you great gains...but a godawful crash at the end because pct is not as effective. actually this is probably why sust is so popular with older BBers who did not use pct- they thought they were doing an 8 week cycle when in fact, in essence, they were doing a 12 week one, and also, in the absence of proper pct with an anti e, a soft drop in test levels over time is probably what you are aiming for. (ie its a good product to use if you arent doing pct). this of course makes you say "why wouldnt anyone do pct?" well in this day and age, everyone wants to do pct. its the people 20 years ago who didnt know how to do pct that would have benefitted most from this product.
this is all hypothetical of course, im not telling people to go out and use sust witout a doctors script for muscle building. im jus trying to adress all the "wow!!" replies and the people thinking that sust is the answer for an effective cycle.
short version: sust alone = good test levels, good gains on cycle, but shitty pct, meaning a harder crash whether you like it or not (for the most part).
cheers
GoldenDelicious
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by godawful crash i mean that there will be a longer period that your natural test production is offline. during this time, dose of synthetic test is so low that it doesnt stop catabolism or oppose estrogen related side effects (possible gyno, water retention, fat deposition, muscle softening) and your natural test isnt there to do its job
in the perfect cycle with perfect pct, you get a full 10 weeks (or whatever) of lots and lots of test floating around in your blood making you grow like a weed. at the end of the perfect cycle, you have a period in which your synthetic test has to be stopped in such a way that the administration of anti estrogens like nolvadex or clomid will perfectly stimulate natural test production, increasing natural test to such a degree that your body goes back to how it used to be. ie you keep all the gains after that point.
now the success of this transition will depend on 2 things: 1) how supressed your test production is (which mostly depends on how long you were supplementing synthetic test for- the longer, the worse the supression) and 2) how well you time the dose of nolva or clomid to coincide with that exact point in time where the levels of synthetic test are equal to the levels normally seen in your body (if you use nolva/clomid too late, you will have experienced a short interval where your overall test is very low, and so you will get the symptoms of "crashing"- muscle loss etc etc)
now if you have a nice, rapid drop off of synthetic test, then you can guess pretty accurately when your synthetic test will be about equal to normal endogenous test. therefore you will stimulate your testes just when you need to, and things will return to normal nice and fast, with minimum crashing.
if you use sustanon or something, it drops down so slowly that you have no idea just when your synthetic test levels will drop to a level equivalent to normal test levels. so when the hell are you supposed to start pct? unless you have access to a lab, you have a good chance of timing it wrong. therefore, logically, you will likely go for a much longer time with sub normal test levels before doing pct (you will do it late and therefore crash harder) OR, even worse, you will do your pct way too early, while your synthetic test levels are very high, making the pct ineffective, and making your end of cycle to pct transition similar to not doing pct at all.
timing is everything gentlemen. the smoother the transition between synthetic test being all that is in your body to natural test once again being the test in your body, the less time you will have to endure havnig low low test and high high estrogen, and so the less time you will have where you are crashing, and burning all the benefits of your cycle
if thats not clear enough, post up ill try to clarify
by the way, if there is a mod about, how do you feel about giving me the title "pharmacist" or something. not because i want a cool (lol!) title, but so that i can stop having to say it all the time.
cheers
in the perfect cycle with perfect pct, you get a full 10 weeks (or whatever) of lots and lots of test floating around in your blood making you grow like a weed. at the end of the perfect cycle, you have a period in which your synthetic test has to be stopped in such a way that the administration of anti estrogens like nolvadex or clomid will perfectly stimulate natural test production, increasing natural test to such a degree that your body goes back to how it used to be. ie you keep all the gains after that point.
now the success of this transition will depend on 2 things: 1) how supressed your test production is (which mostly depends on how long you were supplementing synthetic test for- the longer, the worse the supression) and 2) how well you time the dose of nolva or clomid to coincide with that exact point in time where the levels of synthetic test are equal to the levels normally seen in your body (if you use nolva/clomid too late, you will have experienced a short interval where your overall test is very low, and so you will get the symptoms of "crashing"- muscle loss etc etc)
now if you have a nice, rapid drop off of synthetic test, then you can guess pretty accurately when your synthetic test will be about equal to normal endogenous test. therefore you will stimulate your testes just when you need to, and things will return to normal nice and fast, with minimum crashing.
if you use sustanon or something, it drops down so slowly that you have no idea just when your synthetic test levels will drop to a level equivalent to normal test levels. so when the hell are you supposed to start pct? unless you have access to a lab, you have a good chance of timing it wrong. therefore, logically, you will likely go for a much longer time with sub normal test levels before doing pct (you will do it late and therefore crash harder) OR, even worse, you will do your pct way too early, while your synthetic test levels are very high, making the pct ineffective, and making your end of cycle to pct transition similar to not doing pct at all.
timing is everything gentlemen. the smoother the transition between synthetic test being all that is in your body to natural test once again being the test in your body, the less time you will have to endure havnig low low test and high high estrogen, and so the less time you will have where you are crashing, and burning all the benefits of your cycle
if thats not clear enough, post up ill try to clarify
by the way, if there is a mod about, how do you feel about giving me the title "pharmacist" or something. not because i want a cool (lol!) title, but so that i can stop having to say it all the time.
cheers
bicepts101
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if you're using sust you can just switch to prop for the last 4 weeks of your cycle and problem solved GD
GoldenDelicious
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yep, thats the basic idea. maybe a tad less than 4 weeks
if i had some more detailed pharmacokinetic data i could tell you exactly when and how much, but i dont right now
if i had some more detailed pharmacokinetic data i could tell you exactly when and how much, but i dont right now
