Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below What's up guys? Just curious as to what you guys think about running Sustain on cycle in place of my 2 weeks of off hcg. Been doing hcg 250ius twice weekly. Started it 3rd week and on my 8th week now and taking 2 weeks off of it according to the 2009 pct. My cycle is 500mg Test Enth weekly and 50mgs Dbol daily. Also, .50 Adex E3d. So what's the best way to run my sustain at this time. I looking primordial website, wasn't much info on this subject, but I saw to do 2 days on and 5 off. What you guys, the ones who have actually used SA, think about this? Worth it? Just run it for 2 weeks or go ahead and continue to run in when I start back on hcg all the way through pct?
Sustain Alpha on Cycle
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centeroiler
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Taking SA while on-cycle or within 2 weeks since your last injection is useless because you're still suppressed.
Sustain isn't a substitute for HCG. In many cases you can run Sustain and POST CYCLE and that's all the anti e you'll need. But you're taking dex so it's superfluous.
2evil
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It actually might be for some cycles. I'm doing it now on a prop/ tren tfo cycle three days on three days off. Anecdotally it seems to be working as shrinkage has been kept at bay. We're talkin full plumbs here five weeks in when I had minimal shrinkage before Sustain.
I have before/ after Sustain LH and FSh blood tests on the way. This is promising to me because if HCG can be avoided while on it will help limit the AI doses while on and help avoid unessesary sides that come along with it including hindered gains.
Keep us posted with the blood work. Thanks for all the info guys.
Yeah, we have been gathering blood data on this for months, and so far the results are showing that it works if you can start Sustain Alpha early enough in the cycle.
For now we are confident that intermittent dosing of Sustain can replace a low dose of hCG, but we want to get a couple more blood tests in before we confirm this.
If you choose to experiment with this then we recommend Sustain @ 10 pumps for 2 days on, then 5 days off, then repeat. (throughout the entire cycle)
-Eric
needtogetaas
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Thanks for the info Eric. Damn 10 pumps! That would cover my whole body lol! And Needto, what info have you gathered about your fadogia? I saw that you got the stem extract but I've been researching and as far as I can tell there isn't any stem extract to be found. Do you have any studies on your future product? Thanks guys.
2evil
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Followed this protocol for the tests. Should I do this instead of 3 days on @ 6 pumps and 3 days off?
Thanks.
centeroiler
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Can we see these tests? I'm sure everyone would be very interested in these.
This is exiting news. So, you are saying this will effectively replace the use of hCG?What is the mechanism here, the GABA modulation? I don't think the Resveratrol would account for this.
Wow, 10 pumps, huh? Are these spread out over the day? Thats a lot of spray and I imagine the aromatic blend is going to get a little tiresome.
Yeah, I'm having trouble just putting 5 pumps on...basically have to cover your whole body and it leaves you sticky and smelling weird so I can't imagine 10 pumps. Eric, is there any benefit to this product being transdermal rather than oral? I would rather pop it or drink it.
3 on, 3 off is probably more effective... its a more aggressive protocol... although the 2 on, 5 off is probably good enough.
-Eric
I don’t want to show the tests until we have a real strong case… so I’m waiting on a couple more.
The exact mechanism is hard to say. We postulate that the LH & FSH increase we see from the blood tests is coming from some modulation of GABA. (probably mostly from 7,8 benzoflavone)
Any anyone is planning on starting a cycle soon and wants to participate in this on-cycle Sustain testing, please hit me up.
-Eric
2evil
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Thanks. BTW - 10 pumps isn't that bad. It's a lot but doable...
We are actually working on a sublingual version right now… it is atleast 6 weeks away though.
-Eric
centeroiler
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lookinfit75
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Would the traditional 4 pumps/ED be over kill on cycle? If using 3 on/3 off or 2 on/5 off are the "on" days consecutive or spread out through out the week?
I honestly don't mind paying for the extra Sustain because the benefits are so great that the price is inconsequential.
surely the pill version wont be as potent as? Thats why the tra nsdermal was made?????are you going to increase the dose for a similiar price as the transdermal??
centeroiler
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Its not a pill. Its sublingual, as in, under the tongue for absorption by the oral mucosa membranes.
sweet,,cant wait....
Cool 6 weeks...that'll be just in time for my pct! I'm curious as well if the sublingual version will be as potent and why you chose transdermal in the first place Eric.
centeroiler
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C'mon, D? I'm surprised with all your knowledge and the research you do that you wouldn't know about the extremely poor bioavailability (via different biologic processes) of Resveratrol. hahaha. (how do you like that?)
I don't know about 7,8-Benzo, but I'm assuming the same. Generally speaking, anything with a low-enough MW is going to be absorbed much better, and avoid the first-pass throught he liver, via transdermal delivery with a quality carrier. DHEA has the added benefit of increased conversion to Testosterone, via TD, as well. Hence, the reports of Dermacrine's effectiveness. Same thing with sublingual delivery via the mucosal membranes. hCG, and Resveratrol for that matter, can be taken this way very effectively. I posted a formula for subligual hCG over at TSC. Can't wait to try PP's sublingual SA.
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It is consecutive on days and you want to stick to the intermittent high doses, rather than the steady low dose.
-Eric
Yeah, it wouldn’t be quite as potent per mg, but a lot more convenient for users who cant use a topical.
Plus, you could get just as good of results form a sublingual, it would just require 2-3x dosing throughout the day.
-Eric
lookinfit75
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Gotcha. So that means that the spike in hormones is what causes the stimulation?
When not on cycle or during PCT would the on/off schedule be more effective?
centeroiler
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I'm confused. When you said sublingual, are you talking about a sublingual tablet or liquid?
We recommend 5 days on, 2 days off for just regular use. (not on cycle) And 3 days on, 3 days off for on-cycle.
Sustain Alpha raises LH & FSh, so intermitent dosing keeps the testes sensitive to these hormones so you can get the maximum testosterone response each time you use Sustain Alpha.
-Eric
lookinfit75
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Thank you Eric for clarifying that for me.
C'mon, D? I'm surprised with all your knowledge and the research you do that you wouldn't know about the extremely poor bioavailability (via different biologic processes) of Resveratrol. hahaha. (how do you like that?)
I don't know about 7,8-Benzo, but I'm assuming the same. Generally speaking, anything with a low-enough MW is going to be absorbed much better, and avoid the first-pass throught he liver, via transdermal delivery with a quality carrier. DHEA has the added benefit of increased conversion to Testosterone, via TD, as well. Hence, the reports of Dermacrine's effectiveness. Same thing with sublingual delivery via the mucosal membranes. hCG, and Resveratrol for that matter, can be taken this way very effectively. I posted a formula for subligual hCG over at TSC. Can't wait to try PP's sublingual SA.
Lol believe it or not I really haven't researched reseveratrol very much other than what PP has on their website and I really haven't found much info on 7,8-Benzo...so I'm going with other peoples opinions on this one. Yes it does make sense I guess when you think about it though. I'm also a recording engineer and one of the saying we use is, "the shortest or quickest" route is usually the best...as far as recording something goes. These days I just let you do all the research and read your posts now lol!
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