Supplements worth a SH*T ?

[Tryn2]

Well like flax, and fish oils or even b12 injects ? I think food is number one but what if any are worth taking? Now just take a multi vit, b-complex and b6. I just dont want to piss it away unno..Thanks nelson and other bros !

 

[Nelson Montana]

Fish oil: Good

Flax oil: Bad

B12 injects: A waste -- no different that oral B12.

Lots of supps are good for specific needs. 90% are bullshit. I have a whole chapter of it in my book. What are you looking for?

 

[manny78]

Everytime you talk about bogus supplement you should put HMB on top of the list.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Everytime you talk about bogus supplement you should put HMB on top of the list.

Above Myostatin?

The thing with HMB is it had some legitimate science behind. But so did Ribose and Methoxy and Colostrum and a lot of other stuff that just didn't pan out in the real world.

But Myostatin -- that was a flat out scam right from the start. They were reciting studies on REAL myostatin and then using an algae that had SOME of the same molecular structure. That's like saying octacostinol has a SIMILAR molecular structure to testosterone. Sure, but unless it's exact, it bears no resemblence. Biology just doesnt work that way.

 

[Big Bad Buff]

Fish oil: Good - agreed

Flax oil: Bad -

Agreed but flax seed is a whole different story

B12 injects: A waste -- no different that oral B12.

Completely disagree. oral B12 does not produce the same pharmacological effect as IM B12. Not even close.

Lots of supps are good for specific needs. 90% are bullshit. I have a whole chapter of it in my book. What are you looking for?

We won't go there.

 

[powerforward]

nelson why do you say flax oil is bad?

 

[jonny jacked]

also Nelson, why are you saying that injectable b12 is no better than taking it in oral form? I was under the strong impression that the majority of products if injected work better than if taken orally due to the by-pass of the digestive system. could you further explain please.

 

[Nelson Montana]

also Nelson, why are you saying that injectable b12 is no better than taking it in oral form? I was under the strong impression that the majority of products if injected work better than if taken orally due to the by-pass of the digestive system. could you further explain please.

B12 is a water soluable vitamin. It's absorbed quickly and excreted quickly whether it's ingested or injected. For half a million years we've absorbed B 12 orally and the process works very well. By the way, B12 is also best absorbed in the presense of the B complex, the way it appears in nature.

A daily multiple contains thousands of times the RDA of B 12. There's no way you can use all of it but they use such high amouns since it's non toxic and microscopic. But injecting it serves no pupose. MD's used to inject it in cases of severe anemia back in the 50's but I don't think any doc would find it necessary today. I think it became popular with bodybuilders because it was just something else to inject.

 

[Big Bad Buff]

But injecting it serves no pupose. MD's used to inject it in cases of severe anemia back in the 50's but I don't think any doc would find it necessary today. I think it became popular with bodybuilders because it was just something else to inject.

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about Nelson. You are once again perpetuating misinformation with false statements like the one above. The best way to replace B12 is through injections. Pills would not be absorbed any better than B12 in food unless given in fairly high doses. Pernicious anemia (PA) is treated by B12 injections. Why? Well, uncle Nellie the B12 has to be administered by injection (parenterally) because people with PA do not have IF (or an effective form of IF) and so cannot absorb vitamin B12 taken by mouth. What is "IF"? Well, uncle Nellie IF = intrinsic factor. Anemia is a blood disorder caused by a lack of vitamin B12. Patients who have this disorder do not produce the substance in the stomach that allows the body to absorb vitamin B12. This substance is called intrinsic factor (IF).

I hope this was educational for you. I really wish you would cease making false statements or I will have to keep making you look like Moron.

 

[Nelson Montana]

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about Nelson. You are once again perpetuating misinformation with false statements like the one above. The best way to replace B12 is through injections. Pills would not be absorbed any better than B12 in food unless given in fairly high doses. Pernicious anemia (PA) is treated by B12 injections. Why? Well, uncle Nellie the B12 has to be administered by injection (parenterally) because people with PA do not have IF (or an effective form of IF) and so cannot absorb vitamin B12 taken by mouth. What is "IF"? Well, uncle Nellie IF = intrinsic factor. Anemia is a blood disorder caused by a lack of vitamin B12. Patients who have this disorder do not produce the substance in the stomach that allows the body to absorb vitamin B12. This substance is called intrinsic factor (IF).

I hope this was educational for you. I really wish you would cease making false statements or I will have to keep making you look like Moron.

There was no mention of pernicious anemia and your information is innaccurate.

But thank you you for your attempted insight.

 

[Big Bad Buff]

There was no mention of pernicious anemia and your information is innaccurate.

But thank you you for your attempted insight.

You mentioned severe anemia in your post moron. Well, what do you think pernicious anemia is??? Break out a dictionary or a thesaurus. Pernicious simply means deadly, destructive, harmful, malicious, etc. etc. I guess I shouldn't assume that you would know that since your command of the English language is on par with a high school student and a dumb one at that.

What a typical Nelson response anyway. You attempt to discredit information as being inaccurate while at the same time providing nothing of substance to back it up. To coin one of your sayings, “you’re too stupid to realize how stupid you really are."

 

[ham2]

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But injecting it serves no pupose. MD's used to inject it in cases of severe anemia back in the 50's but I don't think any doc would find it necessary today. I think it became popular with bodybuilders because it was just something else to inject.
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I attest B12 ( B in general ) are MORE QUICKLY absorbed in IM form.
I do need it everyday as a doc prescription and the only one equally effective is SUBLINGUAL.
HOWEVER
injections are so painful & B vitamins should be balanced, not to risk to unblance them ( too much of just one, unblances the others ).
I then switched to B100 complex caps: no pain & no vitamin imbalance risk.
B groups has a short half life.

I do agree with Montana on the fact the "injecting" thing is a way to make some ages old stuff look "hardcore": for just BB purposes you may do as well on sublingual b12.

 

[Big Bad Buff]

You mentioned severe anemia in your post moron. Well, what do you think pernicious anemia is??? Break out a dictionary or a thesaurus. Pernicious simply means deadly, destructive, harmful, malicious, etc. etc. I guess I shouldn't assume that you would know that since your command of the English language is on par with a high school student and a dumb one at that.

What a typical Nelson response anyway. You attempt to discredit information as being inaccurate while at the same time providing nothing of substance to back it up. To coin one of your sayings, “you’re too stupid to realize how stupid you really are."

What's the matter Nelson? No comment here?? Are we "owned" again??

 

[split endz]

bump for why flaxseed is bad... lots of omega 3 & 6, right?

 

[RussianRocket]

Flax oil is bad?

What the fuck?

 

[Morb]

ive read that flax oil loses much of its potency regardless of how its stored, the benefits are greatest right when the seed is crushed hence the seeds are better, do a flax seed vs flax oil search and youll find out, the main reason i take the oil is to make the poop slide out cuz i have ibs from many years of 9 meals/day, i have a bag of seeds though and ill get around to working them in at some point, i havent looked around for the best way to grind yet

 

[split endz]

I've been buying the crushed seeds from Walmart. Made by Natures Bounty, in the vitamin section, says " farm direct cold=milled organic flax seeds" I dump some in my protein shakes.

 

[akg8r]

ive read that flax oil loses much of its potency regardless of how its stored, the benefits are greatest right when the seed is crushed hence the seeds are better, do a flax seed vs flax oil search and youll find out, the main reason i take the oil is to make the poop slide out cuz i have ibs from many years of 9 meals/day, i have a bag of seeds though and ill get around to working them in at some point, i havent looked around for the best way to grind yet

I use a coffee grinder and it works great.

 

[MikeMartial]

Just a quote off a random webpage about flax seed oil:

"Research from Charles Myers, MD, at the University of Virginia Medical School in Charlottesville showed that flax seed oil causes a 300% increase in the growth of prostate cancer cells. Dr Myers said, 'It is the most powerful stimulus we know of for prostate cancer cells.' This information appeared in an article in the February 2000 issue of his Newsletter, Prostate Forum

I wrote him personally and was sent the following references.

P.K. Pandalai, et al. "The effects of omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids
on in vitro prostate cancer growth" Anticancer Res 16: 815-820, 1996

E Giovannucci, et al. " A Prospective study of dietary fat and risk of
prostate cancer" Journal National Cancer Institute" 85: 1571-1579,
1993.

P Gann, et al "Prospective study of plasma fatty acids and risk of
prostate cancer" Journal National Cancer institute" 86: 281-286, 1994

S.O Anderson et al, "Energy, nutrient intake, and prostate cancer
risk: a population-based case-control study in Sweden" International
Journal of Cancer 68: 716-722, 1996

P.A Godley, et al "Biomarkers of essential fatty acid consumption
and risk of prostate cancer carcinoma" Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers
and Prevention. 5:889-895, 1996

S Harvei, et al. "Prediagnostic level of fatty acids in serum
phospholipids: omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids and the risk of prostate
cancer." International Journal of Cancer. 71: 554-551, 1997

He says that while there is no benefit shown to flax oil, these
studies do show a negative effect. He also states that the whole
flax seed may offer some benefit. "

Alpha linolenic acid seems to be the target of the studies. Bottom line can be found here.

Until more studies come out, I see no reason to take flax seed oil and NOT take fish oil. But, then again, everyone has an opinion

 

[bicepts101]

Just a quote off a random webpage about flax seed oil:

"Research from Charles Myers, MD, at the University of Virginia Medical School in Charlottesville showed that flax seed oil causes a 300% increase in the growth of prostate cancer cells. Dr Myers said, 'It is the most powerful stimulus we know of for prostate cancer cells.' This information appeared in an article in the February 2000 issue of his Newsletter, Prostate Forum

I wrote him personally and was sent the following references.

P.K. Pandalai, et al. "The effects of omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids
on in vitro prostate cancer growth" Anticancer Res 16: 815-820, 1996

E Giovannucci, et al. " A Prospective study of dietary fat and risk of
prostate cancer" Journal National Cancer Institute" 85: 1571-1579,
1993.

P Gann, et al "Prospective study of plasma fatty acids and risk of
prostate cancer" Journal National Cancer institute" 86: 281-286, 1994

S.O Anderson et al, "Energy, nutrient intake, and prostate cancer
risk: a population-based case-control study in Sweden" International
Journal of Cancer 68: 716-722, 1996

P.A Godley, et al "Biomarkers of essential fatty acid consumption
and risk of prostate cancer carcinoma" Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers
and Prevention. 5:889-895, 1996

S Harvei, et al. "Prediagnostic level of fatty acids in serum
phospholipids: omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids and the risk of prostate
cancer." International Journal of Cancer. 71: 554-551, 1997

He says that while there is no benefit shown to flax oil, these
studies do show a negative effect. He also states that the whole
flax seed may offer some benefit. "

Alpha linolenic acid seems to be the target of the studies. Bottom line can be found here.

Until more studies come out, I see no reason to take flax seed oil and NOT take fish oil. But, then again, everyone has an opinion

wow thats interesting....fuck flax...theres too many ways to get your 3's...

 

[Spartacus]

hemp oil?