Super ANABOLIC Stack Question

[SUperMonster]

Hello Body Builders,

I have decided to enter the world of body building to achieve "THE LOOK"
I am 30yrs old, I am a thyroid patient I am on Synthroid which is synthetic thyroid hormones T4 i think to be exact for the rest of my life.
I am 6'2 and just skin and bones, and I make minimum wage I am posing this question to you gurus what protein supplements and anabolics stacks is the fastest way to achieve the "LOOK" ?

Thanks
SuperMonster

 

[Sweetsrcool]

there is no fast way to achieve the look, if you have heart and really want it then it is possible. but how can we know what you need to do unless you tell us your stats, height , weight, how long you have been lifting etc. and what look are you looking for big thick, or proportiioned toned. I mean you need to give some more info than that,

 

[SUperMonster]

Hello SweetsRCool,

I can answer those questions, I used to lift weights when I was active in the martial arts at the time I simply use to use MetRx and Animal Pack by Universal. So I am newbie when it comes to lifting but I am NO professional either. I am 6'2, I weight 210lbs, I want to look big and thick. I have been lifting for 3 years on and off doing light lifting to keep my body tone but now I have decided to go for the LOOK. I hope this answers your question.

Thanks
SuperMonster

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

how much muscle do you wanna add. test at 250 - 500mg a week is a great first cycle. if you wanna bulk up. you need to eat a shit load of calories and workout. you need a preworkout shake and then an immediate post workout protien shake then one hour after that eat protien and a long lasting carb meal.

 

[SUperMonster]

Hello Errn247,
Thanks for your response,
Test at 250 - 500mg a week ...... Intra Muscular or Oral ?
Calories ? I always thought calories was bad.
Preworkout shake = like Whey ?
Long lasting carb meal ? Can you elaborate more ?
How intense should the workout be, workout until i am tired or until I am sore, or lift until my arms give away? Sorry for the newbie questions but I need to be clear.

Thanks
SuperMonster

 

[chazk]

no offense but min wage 6.00 a hour? thats like take home 200$ a week after takes
800$ a month.then you have bills to pay
I think your biggest down fall will be the cost of food and eating like a bodybuilder.
your gonna have to buy everything and cook it on your own.steroids are not even a factor in this equation just yet.
get the diet and cooking the food down first. buy lots of milk,eggs,chicken,cottage cheese and see if you can afford to eat like a bodybuilder for atleast a few months getthe calories upto 3500 a day min..
even if you get the food bill down to 7 dollars a day cooking your own food that still 50$ a week of 200$ a month is still gonna be 1/4 quater of your take home monthly income..

no fast way to get the " look " its takes year of proper diet ,working out for atleast 5 years to get as big as you can natural.. then steroids to go beyond your genetic potential after you have peaked out.

I say give it 2 more years try to get a job that makes you more money.. eat better train harder.. then try steroids after you are peaked out and not gaining any more

 

[SUperMonster]

Hello Chazk,

Wow Chaz your very blunt I like that NO offense taken I do not live in the USA and I can afford about $500 a month, I am curious do bodybuilders drink the raw eggs for real? What kind of diet I should be on to achieve that 3,500 calories per day ?

Thanks
SuperMonster

 

[chazk]

Hello Chazk,

Wow Chaz your very blunt I like that NO offense taken I do not live in the USA and I can afford about $500 a month, I am curious do bodybuilders drink the raw eggs for real? What kind of diet I should be on to achieve that 3,500 calories per day ?

Thanks
SuperMonster

well 500$ is alot better thats about 125$ a week to spend on food .. so you can eat about 20$ a day thats great...you prob can mae decent progress .. if the country you live in has food priced low enough.
guys in the usa usually cook the eggs in omlets or scamble them with oatmeal for breakfast..

a typical days diet for me is this and one you can follow with to get 3500 calories a day min

breakfast 6 egg whites, oatmeal,glass of milk and juice
mid morning snack glass of milk ,peanutbutter and jelly sandwich
lunch 2 chicken breast ,salad
mid day snack tub of cottage cheese with fruit
dinner fish chicken or beef with veggie and milk
before bed snack cottage cheese with blue berries..
by the time you add it up should be around 3500 calories..
i eat bigger portions of the meats and cheese so My intake is around 4500 calories...
but thats just a typical days food intake...
eating 6 times a day is amust to build muscle...

most guys dont drink raw eggs anymore due to the fact they might get ill from salmonela ..some guys do drink egg beaters becuase they are pasturized and free of bacteria .. but even thats not really done alot over here ...


also go have the docotr check your thyroid i suspect your taking way to much t-4 if your skin and bones.. might need to lower the dose so you gain weight eazier

 

[zk7]

no offense but min wage 6.00 a hour? thats like take home 200$ a week after takes
800$ a month.then you have bills to pay
I think your biggest down fall will be the cost of food and eating like a bodybuilder.
your gonna have to buy everything and cook it on your own.steroids are not even a factor in this equation just yet.
get the diet and cooking the food down first. buy lots of milk,eggs,chicken,cottage cheese and see if you can afford to eat like a bodybuilder for atleast a few months getthe calories upto 3500 a day min..
even if you get the food bill down to 7 dollars a day cooking your own food that still 50$ a week of 200$ a month is still gonna be 1/4 quater of your take home monthly income..

no fast way to get the " look " its takes year of proper diet ,working out for atleast 5 years to get as big as you can natural.. then steroids to go beyond your genetic potential after you have peaked out.

I say give it 2 more years try to get a job that makes you more money.. eat better train harder.. then try steroids after you are peaked out and not gaining any more

This misconception that you should use steroids "ONLY" after you maxed out your gains as a natural lifter frankly is ridiculous. Steroids are a quick fix for quick gains. A noob who takes steroids + eats well + lifts will make gains 5 times faster than a noob who lifts naturally, and they are both noobs ie : first time lifters.

So steroids are a shortcut for people who dont wanna waste years of lifting for gains to come.

Further more, many people ARE NOT MOTIVATED to lift weights or eat right UNTIL they take steroids then they will do it right all the time. That's because most people dont have faith in themselves and put faith in the Gear.
And this includes Steroid users as well. Many steroid users, are less intense in their workouts and less clean in their diets when they are Off Cycle, they slack off thinking that gains can only be obtained via steroids and not worth putting the effort doing it naturally.

 

[Wulfgar]

I like this guy

 

[zk7]

You know im right

 

[SUperMonster]

Hi Guys,
Steroids misconceptions are a part of this newbie learning the reality and surreality of steroid gains. Most of you are very experienced, I want to avoid all of the bitch tits,dick shrinking, roid rage and roid gut side effects. Last time I was down this path which was many years ago liftweighting I never got serious into it NOW i am serious and determined.
Technology has evolved and I am sure Testosterone has evolved too, protein supplements, I want the fastest way I am sure with the HGH materials out there and other products it is easier for a newbie to see gains in 2007 than it was in 1997. I am trying to get a blueprint as to learn from YOUR experiences what works from what dont work. In reference to my thyroid i DONT have a thyroid it was removed, in regards to skin and bones naturally I am a slim guy.

Thanks
SuperMonster

 

[chazk]

You know im right

your not right steroids do not make up for food and workouts or education,,,


so to supermonster i'll say the same thing... if your not eating and gaining weight right now. then steroids are not gonna do much for you untill you get the diet figured out...

calories and protien are very important in steroid use with out them its just a waste of time

 

[SUperMonster]

Hi Chazk,

I am not eating like a bodybuilder because I am not a bodybuilder like i said i have made the decision to become a bodybuilder so i will START eating like a bodybuilder, I am not dependent on steroids not is obtaining steroids my goal, my goal is to achieve the LOOK. Now would anyone be so kind to provide the blueprint please?

Thanks
SuperMonster

 

[chazk]

Hi Chazk,

I am not eating like a bodybuilder because I am not a bodybuilder like i said i have made the decision to become a bodybuilder so i will START eating like a bodybuilder, I am not dependent on steroids not is obtaining steroids my goal, my goal is to achieve the LOOK. Now would anyone be so kind to provide the blueprint please?

Thanks
SuperMonster

I tell you what start eating like a bodybuilder for 6 months... just do that much ok .. with out steroids.. and let us know your progress you might surprise your self and decide after eatings like a bodybuilder and training like a bodybuilder for 6 months you might not even need steroids to reach your goals.
if your gains are good then do it for 1 year ,,, You might decide you do not even need steroids.,,you will be surpised at how great gains can be by just increasing the calories alone...

 

[SUperMonster]

Hi Chazk,

You want me to chase a wild goose for a year man when i am here asking for the fastest way THEN your telling me about the slowest way possible. You know Chazk your not listening to me man, but no offense taken.

Thanks
SuperMonster

 

[chazk]

Hi Chazk,

You want me to chase a wild goose for a year man when i am here asking for the fastest way THEN your telling me about the slowest way possible. You know Chazk your not listening to me man, but no offense taken.

Thanks
SuperMonster

its not a wild goose bro...
i want you to see what a bodybuilder goes through eating and training correctly... if you can handle it for 6 months ,,, then you can handle taking drugs with it later on..

if you just start roiding and eating.. then when you stop roiding and eating your gonna deflat like a ballon and be right back where you started...

i want you to see if your even dedicated enough with the diet and excersize part long enough to even take it to the next level..

many guys do a cycle lift eat... then get off get lazy and lose it all.. i wanna make sure you know this is not just a 3 months blow up thing and that your willing to dedicate the rest of your life to living,eating,breathing bodybuilding...
or are you gonna be a get big quick lose it quick kinda guy...

its real simple.. get the diet part down.. get the training down.. then the drugs...
with out the first two no need for the drugs...
prove to us you can eat correct, train correct... then guys will be willing to help you with the drug part...

its 3 simple steps...
step one diet
step two work outs
step three roids..

do the first 2 steps show us you can follow a program.. then roid advice will follow.

 

[chazk]

you wanna get big fast...
I'll tell you what you want to hear if it makes you happy
go inject 1000mg of testosterone a week...
have fun popping zits and wearing a bra...

you newbies all want to gain it as fast as you can with as little work involved.
you guys would like to do it with out breaking a sweat or doing time in the gym...its the same old same old...

i'm tired of it
just like ronnie coleman said" they all wanna get big but they dont wanna even lift a weight"
just as shawn ray said " all they do is ask about steroids during these seiminars while having a coke in one hand and a hamburger in the other hand its gets old after awhile"

so go inject yourself silly.. if anyone else wants to give him advice good luck..

 

[SUperMonster]

Hello,

I understand the advice is good but I want to work toward my goal than too see IF i can handle a bodybuilder diet, i know the path I want to walk just want to know which route will take me there fastest thats all.

Thanks
SuperMonster

 

[mattrich]

i was lifting for 5 years before i even thought about trying 'roids'.
in fact i was dead set against ever using!! until i felt i wasn't gaining naturally anymore.
then i researched and eventually started using. why is it that people wanna jump straight into it these days?
like chazk said, get the diet and training CORRECT and you will be surprised at the gains you make!!

 

[zk7]

your not right steroids do not make up for food and workouts or education,,,


so to supermonster i'll say the same thing... if your not eating and gaining weight right now. then steroids are not gonna do much for you untill you get the diet figured out...

calories and protien are very important in steroid use with out them its just a waste of time

Bro, i know a dude who eats mcdonald and junk food EVERY DAY. He eats Only 2 huge meals a day and the guy abuses roids like crazy and hes frigging massive aorund 250lb all muscle. His diet is horrid but his training + roids are massive. Reason he can train so much is cuz he takes so much gear.

 

[zk7]

i was lifting for 5 years before i even thought about trying 'roids'.
in fact i was dead set against ever using!! until i felt i wasn't gaining naturally anymore.
then i researched and eventually started using. why is it that people wanna jump straight into it these days?
like chazk said, get the diet and training CORRECT and you will be surprised at the gains you make!!

Dude, most people ARE LAZY THEY WANT A QUICK FIX. No one wants to lift for 5 years (the noobs dont wanna wait 5 years). Noobs dont even like to lift weights, its boring. So they just want a quick good look. They have 0 faith in themselves and 0 faith in diet or training and definately never believe they could make good gains naturally. So they put all the faith in Gear. And when they take Gear, suddenly they eat a super perfect Diet and train very well and magic occurs.

 

[zk7]

its not a wild goose bro...
i want you to see what a bodybuilder goes through eating and training correctly... if you can handle it for 6 months ,,, then you can handle taking drugs with it later on..

if you just start roiding and eating.. then when you stop roiding and eating your gonna deflat like a ballon and be right back where you started...

i want you to see if your even dedicated enough with the diet and excersize part long enough to even take it to the next level..

many guys do a cycle lift eat... then get off get lazy and lose it all.. i wanna make sure you know this is not just a 3 months blow up thing and that your willing to dedicate the rest of your life to living,eating,breathing bodybuilding...
or are you gonna be a get big quick lose it quick kinda guy...

its real simple.. get the diet part down.. get the training down.. then the drugs...
with out the first two no need for the drugs...
prove to us you can eat correct, train correct... then guys will be willing to help you with the drug part...

its 3 simple steps...
step one diet
step two work outs
step three roids..

do the first 2 steps show us you can follow a program.. then roid advice will follow.

Many people have psychological problems and depression. The "current state" they are in (ie: being Fat, ugly weak etcc) FORCES THEM to find a quick solution and not a 5 year slow process. They want a quick fix and they want it YESTERDAY.

 

[chazk]

Bro, i know a dude who eats mcdonald and junk food EVERY DAY. He eats Only 2 huge meals a day and the guy abuses roids like crazy and hes frigging massive aorund 250lb all muscle. His diet is horrid but his training + roids are massive. Reason he can train so much is cuz he takes so much gear.

to bad this guy super monster is not your " dude " he cant gain apound and is skin and bones..
no matter how many roids you take if the diet sucks the gains will suck end of story

 

[Mac173]

Listen, Chazk is right on the money.
Learn how to eat right and train hard first.
Without these steriods are completely worthless.
Steroids should not even be an otion at this point.
Beleive it or not steroids aren't even a quick fix.
If you can't get into weight training w/ out the use of steroids,then that alone will prove that you don't have the motivation and determination to make any kind of progress.

 

[xrsist]

Listen, Chazk is right on the money.
Learn how to eat right and train hard first.
Without these steriods are completely worthless.
Steroids should not even be an otion at this point.
Beleive it or not steroids aren't even a quick fix.
If you can't get into weight training w/ out the use of steroids,then that alone will prove that you don't have the motivation and determination to make any kind of progress.

agreed

 

[Mac173]

agreed

I think we agree on just about everything.

 

[xrsist]

I think we agree on just about everything.

they say great minds think alike

 

[needtogetaas]

your not right steroids do not make up for food and workouts or education,,,


so to supermonster i'll say the same thing... if your not eating and gaining weight right now. then steroids are not gonna do much for you untill you get the diet figured out...

calories and protien are very important in steroid use with out them its just a waste of time

to true

 

[Mac173]

they say great minds think alike

Just what I was thinking.
Enough of all this self consumed talk, we're starting to sound like Ross.

 

[xrsist]

Just what I was thinking.
Enough of all this self consumed talk, we're starting to sound like Ross.

lol

 

[pintoca]

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what to make out of this guy...

Supermonster, my advice to you:

there is a ton of info on this site, take your time and read it, work out your own ideas and when you have doubts, come back and ask questions, but only after you have your own ideas.

Don't expect people to do the legwork for you.

The only thing you really really need in this bodybuilding game is time and knowledge, if you try to start without one or the other you are heading entirely in the wrong direction.