Summer Recomp Cycle

[King Leonidas]

Check out my thoughts on a quick Summer cycle. Please feel free to critique at will.

Stats:

33
6'01
205
13%

Due to my work schedule, I lift heavy 5 days one week, and 2 days the next. I do Crossfit 4 days per week. I also cycle, run, and swim on my off days.

My diet is clean, with a focus on low(er) carbs and high protein. My daily maintenance is around 3200 calories, and my diet will remain just above that number.

My intent is to gain lean muscle, while loosing body fat. I do not want to take anything that will hinder my endurance in any way, or add any water/bloat side effects.

I had considered the triple SERMs stack, but I'm fearful of the S4 sides as I already have shaky vision issues as it is.

Proposed cycle:

Helladrol 75/75/75/100/100/125
GW-501516 20mg per day for 8 weeks.
Osta 25mg per day for 8 weeks.

Need2Guard
Need2Slin
Fish Oil
Forma Stanzol
Creatine Nitrate
Opti-Men Multi
Cissus Joint Supplement

My PCT will consist of

Torem 90/60/60/30
Unleashed
Forged PCT
Need2Slin
Forma Stanzol
Creatine Nitrate
Opti-Men Multi
Cissus Joint Supplement

Expectations are to add hard, lean muscle from the Helldrol, maintain strength and muscle gains from the Osta, and cut body fat and aide in endurance from the GW.

Thanks for the input to come

 

[moya]

i dont get all these new complicated cycles, they seem to give the same results as a simple test only cycle...

 

[King Leonidas]

i dont get all these new complicated cycles, they seem to give the same results as a simple test only cycle...

Not all that complicated really. A few pills and some drops in your mouth. Plus, I'm soon coming off a small test cycle.. This new cycle is just something to change it up a bit

 

[insanityapproved]

total waste of $$$ if you ask me

 

[ppgfreak]

I hate to give an opinion on products I've never taken. But I don't fix things if there not broken. Testosterone or Sustanon!

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[muscleaddiction]

For a Helladrol cycle stacked with SARM's, it has all the on cycle support and PCT...think it has more of a healthy approach and if you eat like you should and train hard you will make gains! I'm only speaking from what I have read up on it, I have never taken Hella, Epi yes...and the cycle has its similarities.

Layout looks fine to me, good luck and train hard!

 

[King Leonidas]

For a Helladrol cycle stacked with SARM's, it has all the on cycle support and PCT...think it has more of a healthy approach and if you eat like you should and train hard you will make gains! I'm only speaking from what I have read up on it, I have never taken Hella, Epi yes...and the cycle has its similarities.

Layout looks fine to me, good luck and train hard!

Thanks for the input so far.

I have to keep things on the clean, so that's why no AAS for the cycle.

The PCT is probably overkill, and I could cut the Osta if it's not much help.

 

[Judo Tom]

hmmmm???

nothing wrong w/ a helladrol cycle. that dosage might effect your crossfit and cardio though. you have to weigh the pros and cons of what your goals are and what you want to accomplish.

 

[dylangemelli]

its pretty fucking irritating to read the comments that the cycle would be a waste of money or too much... that's complete bull shit... i've ran ALL of the things you have listed and the amount I have gained on those is incredible... of course, you can take a much simpler cycle, just a simple test cycle and get a lot of gain, but that is not for EVERYONE... so there are other options and this is an excellent one... Have all you fucking guys that say its a waste of money actually ran these?? my guess is probably not... injectible cycles are not for everyone, and since they are not, this provides an excellent alternative...

i think the layout is spot on.... all your dosings look right on and i am impressed you have gw at 20 mg a day... that is great man... you could still run the s4 and just be very moderate with your dosing... even go 5 on and 2 off if you want but it would really solidify the stack... if you have any sort of vision side, keep in mind, its not permanent and you can stop at any time... if you are too scared then just don't run it but i wouldn't advise you to do anything that would cause you harm...

everything looks great bro... good luck with it and keep us updated on your results...

 

[TheSVPdeal]

All looks good to me. That will be an expensive GW run, about $400. You better log it.

Good luck, Bro.

Moya, don't knock it till you try it. I've run all the SARMS mentioned and it's different. After I finish this run, however, I won't run them solo again. I will add them to a cycle with test.

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[kc17]

i dont get all these new complicated cycles, they seem to give the same results as a simple test only cycle...

Agreed !!!

 

[dylangemelli]

the more that i think about this, the more pissed off i get... there are so many reasons why these cycles are good options and they most certainly are not a waste of money...

are you telling me that I have been wasting my money and time running cycles designed like this? so my 15 lb. gain on helladrol and dropping body fat from 7% to 6.2% was a waste of time? or how about my sarms stack that gained 4 lbs. and dropped me to 5.8% body fat and put my fucking strength through the roof? Oh wait, I know, my current cycle is a waste right... yeah 14 lbs. in 2 weeks and still keeping my body fat in the 6% range... yeah, this is an oral cycle as well... ultradrol, trenazone and transaderm... waste of money and time?? is that right???

now in fairness to moya, whom i have great respect for, yes, you can get these types of gains from a test cycle, BUT there are many reasons that people don't want to run a test cycle... some people just flat out don't want to pin or they may be scared of it... (thats not my circumstance) but for some, that is the reason... other reasons are that people don't like to cycle that long... some people like to run 4-6 week cycles, recover faster and then do something different... some people respond differently to different things as well and test may not be the best option for them... so to your point, yes, a test cycle can get these kinds of gains too but that's just not for everyone...

 

[King Leonidas]

the more that i think about this, the more pissed off i get... there are so many reasons why these cycles are good options and they most certainly are not a waste of money...

are you telling me that I have been wasting my money and time running cycles designed like this? so my 15 lb. gain on helladrol and dropping body fat from 7% to 6.2% was a waste of time? or how about my sarms stack that gained 4 lbs. and dropped me to 5.8% body fat and put my fucking strength through the roof? Oh wait, I know, my current cycle is a waste right... yeah 14 lbs. in 2 weeks and still keeping my body fat in the 6% range... yeah, this is an oral cycle as well... ultradrol, trenazone and transaderm... waste of money and time?? is that right???

now in fairness to moya, whom i have great respect for, yes, you can get these types of gains from a test cycle, BUT there are many reasons that people don't want to run a test cycle... some people just flat out don't want to pin or they may be scared of it... (thats not my circumstance) but for some, that is the reason... other reasons are that people don't like to cycle that long... some people like to run 4-6 week cycles, recover faster and then do something different... some people respond differently to different things as well and test may not be the best option for them... so to your point, yes, a test cycle can get these kinds of gains too but that's just not for everyone...

Thanks to those who provided valuable advice, your comments are appreciated.

Dylan, As always you provide solid and sound advice my brother.

In regards to the stack and considering that a proper run of the GW at 20mg at 8 weeks would run $400 alone, can you offer any alternate cutting agent to the stack?

Maybe Katanadrol? Or Albuterol? I'm leery of the Albut, simply because I've not seen a ton of positive reviews regarding its shredding ability. I may be completely off base on that one, so set me straight if necessary.

I'm open to suggestions.

 

[dylangemelli]

Thanks to those who provided valuable advice, your comments are appreciated.

Dylan, As always you provide solid and sound advice my brother.

In regards to the stack and considering that a proper run of the GW at 20mg at 8 weeks would run $400 alone, can you offer any alternate cutting agent to the stack?

Maybe Katanadrol? Or Albuterol? I'm leery of the Albut, simply because I've not seen a ton of positive reviews regarding its shredding ability. I may be completely off base on that one, so set me straight if necessary.

I'm open to suggestions.

yes gw would be quite pricey to run... i have seen a lot of good feedback on albuterol but katanadrol would be ideal to put in on this one... here's how i would dose it...

350/350/400/400/450/450

hella and katana go perfectly together and would go excellent with sarms...

forged burner is good but would not get you anywhere near where katana would...