I couldn't tell you how many of these really young guys have told me they were going to use winstrol because a friend of theirs did a cycle of it and put on over 30 ibs and got ripped, in 6 weeks. Yeah, right. The worst? A 140 ibs kid, who was a good friend of one of my gym buddies (another young guy with a nice athetic, but undersized build who thinks deca only cycles are awesome) was asking for advice and I told him he needed to do alot more research and learn how to train and eat. A couple months later I bump into him, he looked SLIGHTLY bigger, with a couple more veins and a little less bodyfat. He informs me that he is 6 weeks into his fina/eq/winstrol/ghg/clen cycle (mommy and daddy have a lot of money) and now weighed a massive 142. He then told me "But I'm really not trying to get big, I just want nice abes so I can get more chicks." Wow.