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Do you guys train to failure????
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Arioch said:
I mean max attempts even though you might miss it
Yes.
We have max bench day and speed bench day...max squat day and speed squat day.
We always execute with proper form, so if you can't lift it that way, you've failed. There's no doing it wrong just to count it (squatting up a GM for example).
So, yes, failure within the proper form.
We have max bench day and speed bench day...max squat day and speed squat day.
We always execute with proper form, so if you can't lift it that way, you've failed. There's no doing it wrong just to count it (squatting up a GM for example).
So, yes, failure within the proper form.
Cornholio said:
Defeat is a state of mind. No one is ever defeated until defeat has been accepted as a reality. To me, defeat in anything is merely temporary, and its punishment is but an urge for me to greater effort to achieve my goal. Defeat simply tells me that something is wrong in my doing; it is a path leading to success and truth. Bruce Lee
If you are afraid to fail you will be afraid to succeed.
When we train, we dont take the assistance work to failure. But on Max Effort days we push it as hard as humanly possible. Even if you miss on this day...you STRAIN...and that means that you lifted as much as you could for that day. This is also why we rotate ME exercises every two weeks...so you stay fresh physically and mentally. That way you are always breaking records....GETTING STRONGER.
spatterson said:Calm down, big guy...he's talking about muscle failure, not human failure.
Checks heartrate.....yep 55 BPM...
I was just explaining our training a little bit. Wasnt getting "excited". And the Bruce Lee quote was just something that I think applies to not just training...but life.
Muscular failure...human failure...its all relative
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Arioch
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Okay, allow me to clarify. My goal is to get every rep of my planned workout. As I have been lifting 30 years, I am generally rather good at determining what I am capable of.
On my max effort days, the plan is still to get every rep. If I fail, it was a mistake.
Also, I am training around some rather impressive injuries sustained in an accident, so I am far more careful than I used to be.
On my max effort days, the plan is still to get every rep. If I fail, it was a mistake.
Also, I am training around some rather impressive injuries sustained in an accident, so I am far more careful than I used to be.
As a contest nears...I want to make every single lift in the gym. Confidence is more important than failure as a contest nears. Hey, it is 1 week out from a contest...how much strength am I really gonna gain by going to failure?
I usually hit failure on something each week...but not very often. I don't reach failure on speed squats or speed bench but I might on board presses or inclines. I don't reach failure on goodmornings or deadlifts because I have to do 3 hours of event training after that.
I might do 2-3 sets of failure a week...but I manipulate my routine with other factors: rest time, superset, drop set, band tension, volume, etc...
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I usually hit failure on something each week...but not very often. I don't reach failure on speed squats or speed bench but I might on board presses or inclines. I don't reach failure on goodmornings or deadlifts because I have to do 3 hours of event training after that.
I might do 2-3 sets of failure a week...but I manipulate my routine with other factors: rest time, superset, drop set, band tension, volume, etc...
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benchmonster
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I used to go to failure every single max effort bench day and every single max effort squat day. As I have become stronger and know my body a little better, I have ceased going to failure. I still miss occasionally, but it is not planned. I used to plan for it. I don't like what it feels like to miss a lift. Even a training rep. I strain like Hell on M.E. day, but I try and make sure I get a new PR, and if that is all there was in the tank, then that is enough. If it felt easy, then I go for a bigger PR. Sometimes I get these and sometimes I don't.
Going to failure, in my humble opinion, at least for me, allows my body to think that failure is an acceptable option when the weight is too heavy for my current level of strength. Well, failure is simply not an option. I try to never miss, in an effort to train my body to never miss. If I miss an attempt, it usually means I am out of my groove. If I can keep the weight in the groove, especially on bench movements, I have a hard time imagining what a miss would feel like.
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Going to failure, in my humble opinion, at least for me, allows my body to think that failure is an acceptable option when the weight is too heavy for my current level of strength. Well, failure is simply not an option. I try to never miss, in an effort to train my body to never miss. If I miss an attempt, it usually means I am out of my groove. If I can keep the weight in the groove, especially on bench movements, I have a hard time imagining what a miss would feel like.
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Arioch said:
Allow me to clarify....I NEVER go to failure on any of the assistance work, as I have stated. On the Max Effort Days...I plan to make every rep. I dont just go until I miss..as has been said...that would train me to get used to missing lifts. I just meant that I am not afraid to try a heavier weight because I might fail. If I have a choice between getting a 5 lb PR that I know I can make....or attempting a 10lb PR that I might miss...I will choose the heavier weight. If I do happen to miss the heavier weight...I can go back and get the lighter weight which is still a PR.
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Failure makes it sound so negative!
On assistance exercises....i try and steer clear of failure.
Because i train the same assitance (or similiar exercise) 72 hours later.....i want to be fully recovered.
when you drop a couple reps short of failure, the next training session feels much more rewarding because its easier to progress and its a bit harder to get stale.
I dont know if its the best thing to do.....but if i fail a max effort lift......say a deadlift, i will not drop the the weight....and struggle for as long as i can hold onto it. To me that is a good way to overload, but that is just my opinion.
max effort is positive failure
On assistance exercises....i try and steer clear of failure.
Because i train the same assitance (or similiar exercise) 72 hours later.....i want to be fully recovered.
when you drop a couple reps short of failure, the next training session feels much more rewarding because its easier to progress and its a bit harder to get stale.
I dont know if its the best thing to do.....but if i fail a max effort lift......say a deadlift, i will not drop the the weight....and struggle for as long as i can hold onto it. To me that is a good way to overload, but that is just my opinion.
max effort is positive failure
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