Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I have allways heard that strength is not a factor, but I have been watching some of these videos on like wrestlers and BJJ'ers and I have got to say unless the guy was a TRUE master I dunno if he could take me. If the guy was ANY less weight then me and not near my strength some of those holds I could just pick myself and him during it and body slam him on his head. I dont see how some of these can be effective if the other person has you really outmatched strength and maybe weight wise. Or are they?
Strength a factor?
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Djimbe
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I agree with you . Im a LOT bigger than , well , Im bigger than everybody ! And whenever I train in Grappling theres never a Moment that i couldnt simply Power Out of any particular hold that Ive been placed in by anyone that I have 100 lbs or more on . And I dont even really consider myself particularly Strong or In Shape right now .
Most grappling stuff gives a Leverage Advantage against the common person . The Advantage is not Infinite . Most MAists have NO clue what kind of Power and BodyConnectivity you can get from Strength Training and PowerLifting . Look at the Royce Gracie/Kimo Leopoldo fight ! Kimo had less than 50 lbs on Royce at the time , but it was all GYM MUSCLE , and he nearly KILLED Royce , whom had more than 20 years of BJJ Experience over him .
Most grappling stuff gives a Leverage Advantage against the common person . The Advantage is not Infinite . Most MAists have NO clue what kind of Power and BodyConnectivity you can get from Strength Training and PowerLifting . Look at the Royce Gracie/Kimo Leopoldo fight ! Kimo had less than 50 lbs on Royce at the time , but it was all GYM MUSCLE , and he nearly KILLED Royce , whom had more than 20 years of BJJ Experience over him .
Yea ive really got to agree cause I can give u an example, My training instructor for San shou was showing people how to do a take down move and he said it even works on big bulky guys. And then he grabbed me (keep in my first MA training day of my life, and I only had like 10-15 pounds on him all muscle though) And he tried to do it but he couldnt over and over I would just overpower him, and then he said well I must have wrestling background haha. Nope.
Djimbe said:
strength plays a part no doubt but only to an extent.
i have thrown,choked,pinned and armlocked guys who had me by +100lbs but there have also been new white belts that i couldnt pin because of there pure strength
now im no master and neither were these guys but i was 'better' technique wise
but i kinda find it hard that you guys havent faced something you couldnt just power out of. not that its a bad thing but i think both of you might want to seek out partners that can do that to you because it will only make you stronger and better. smaller guys have it easier cause there is always someone stronger to work with so even if i dont have someone 'better' then me to work w/ i always have someone stronger to work with which is always beneficial
'people who say strength doesnt matter have probably lost a lot of fights'
-sensei
i have thrown,choked,pinned and armlocked guys who had me by +100lbs but there have also been new white belts that i couldnt pin because of there pure strength
now im no master and neither were these guys but i was 'better' technique wise
but i kinda find it hard that you guys havent faced something you couldnt just power out of. not that its a bad thing but i think both of you might want to seek out partners that can do that to you because it will only make you stronger and better. smaller guys have it easier cause there is always someone stronger to work with so even if i dont have someone 'better' then me to work w/ i always have someone stronger to work with which is always beneficial
'people who say strength doesnt matter have probably lost a lot of fights'
-sensei
araiber
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I will just quote my wrestling coach on this:
"It takes 20% skill, 10% luck, and 70% strength to win a match"
Of course before joining the wrestling team (and having the city champ on his back) I also took some Judo. I have always been strong for my bodyweight, so in those occasions where they placed me in matches according to weight, and not belt, I was still able to rip ass and get a green belt into an arm bar, when I was still a white belt.
In responce to Kimo almost being Royce? No way dude.. Royce is a professional, and he showed his skills not only with that title-winning match, but with the several after that followed.
In order to win against a person who is physically stronger than you, you must look for a weakness in their gameplan. Whether it be that they have low stamina, or that their legs are weak, or that they never protect their neck from a choke-out.. There are always advantages for being the lighter guy- but I still think that strength plays a huge factor in winning a match- or a fight.
Its a combination of actually knowing what your doing, and having the ability to do it.
"It takes 20% skill, 10% luck, and 70% strength to win a match"
Of course before joining the wrestling team (and having the city champ on his back) I also took some Judo. I have always been strong for my bodyweight, so in those occasions where they placed me in matches according to weight, and not belt, I was still able to rip ass and get a green belt into an arm bar, when I was still a white belt.
In responce to Kimo almost being Royce? No way dude.. Royce is a professional, and he showed his skills not only with that title-winning match, but with the several after that followed.
In order to win against a person who is physically stronger than you, you must look for a weakness in their gameplan. Whether it be that they have low stamina, or that their legs are weak, or that they never protect their neck from a choke-out.. There are always advantages for being the lighter guy- but I still think that strength plays a huge factor in winning a match- or a fight.
Its a combination of actually knowing what your doing, and having the ability to do it.
tommboy said:
you are both right and wrong
you are wrong in that it would not take a true master to tap you out
but you are right in that strength is very important people that tell you it isn't are one of two things
1.) inexperienced
2.) trying to sell something (so outright lieing)
I have been training jiu-jitsu for 7 years and am 6'1 345 lbs. and am considered strong. Makes no difference against guys from my school who go more consistently than I do, they end up tapping me. I last longer because of my strength, and even longer because of technique, but after awhile they are gonna catch me. I would rather be size with technique than size with little technique just having to go into a comp relying on power. Like Rickson says in choke, big strong guys are like monkeys in the trees, they are everywhere, but I am not worried about them. Just one of a million hilarious quotes from that movie.
asianlover
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strength is very important. all the technique and training in the world are useless
unless u have the strenght to use them. im sure judo to has beaten people much bigger than him but tom probable isnt a weekling eather. if u have decent strength and a lot of training u could take down a much stronger opponent. but if somone weighs 90lbs they probable wouldnt have a chance in hell agaist somone who weighed 260 no matter how much training they had. gracie was only 180lbs and 6'1" im 6'4" and 245lbs, and i am pretty sure he would kick my ass. i may be alot bigger and stronger but i dont think i would have much of a chance being that i have no experience.
btw if size and strenght didnt matter at all there would be no need for weight classes.
unless u have the strenght to use them. im sure judo to has beaten people much bigger than him but tom probable isnt a weekling eather. if u have decent strength and a lot of training u could take down a much stronger opponent. but if somone weighs 90lbs they probable wouldnt have a chance in hell agaist somone who weighed 260 no matter how much training they had. gracie was only 180lbs and 6'1" im 6'4" and 245lbs, and i am pretty sure he would kick my ass. i may be alot bigger and stronger but i dont think i would have much of a chance being that i have no experience.
btw if size and strenght didnt matter at all there would be no need for weight classes.
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