Stop with the GHB posts please

[Grainger]

My Opinion...

There have been a lot of posts about GHB on this board and I REALLY don't think that it belongs here. People are wanting to know if they should use it for sleep, is it safe etc.

When they get answers from people about it, people that have had a lot of experience with it will tell you that the stuff is bad news. Then there are a few other “green-beans” on the board that give bullshit answers that are totally misleading. The advice that they give is simply a regurgitation of the information that they found elsewhere on the web. In fact, this misleading info is the same crap that lead others to think that it is totally safe and non-addictive. Which is why there are so many people in this country having problems with it now!

If you want to use GHB, great...knock yourself out (you probably will literally) If you want information on it, go someplace else to get it. This board is about AS, not party drugs. Here are some links….

http://www.projectghb.org/

http://communities.msn.com/GHBaddiction/_whatsnew.msnw/

--Grainger

 

[needleboy]

Grainger,

actually GHB has been a part og BB for years, I use it to combat the insomnia I get during a cycle. I do not have ant now, and am paing dearly for not having it in lost sleep. Additionally, as it is safer to use while on AS than alchohol it gives people inclined to party the ability to do so in a relatively safe way. GHB if used in moderation is safe, as are most drugs , including AS. BTW I used to buy it an GNC!

 

[Grainger]

thanks for the reply

I am all over it bro. I also got it at GNC and when they pulled it off the shelf, I started making it myself and only took it to sleep when I needed it........for the first few years.

Then it became so much fun that I did it more and more. Everyone that has a problem with it now.....started using to have better sleep and only took it once in while. Then every night, then every weekend (during the day / night etc.) Then....you cross the line and use it during the weekday. (You know...that one day you wake up a feel like CRAP and you figure, what the hell...I will just take a cap and it will make me feel better.

The group of people that seem most hooked on it? Bodybuilders!

I am a biochemist.....I think the stuff is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I LOVED THE SHIT! Until you get hooked on it.

Bottom line is this. I would hate to see someone else go through what I did, or what I have seen so many other people go through (HELL) That's all. Just want to make sure that the bros on the board are safe and get the right information.


PERIOD.

 

[HappyScrappy]

where the fuck did this guy come from?

 

[pgerardone]

where the fuck did this guy come from?

I agree with this guy. Use the shit all you want but stop telling everyone how safe it is. Something that is safe does not land you in the hospital unconscious if you take a little too much.

 

[XXXL]

HEY grainger, not to worry. posts like these go in spurts. you won't read about ghb after a while. and then you'll see a million posts about somehting else, and then something else, and then back to ghb.

posts seem to go in cycles.

 

[Grainger]

thanks for the support pgerardone and XXXL. I apprciate it.

Mr. Happy, sorry if I offened you with my post. I was just a little disturbed by all the GHB posts and concerned about the saftey of others on the board. Is there something really wrong with that?

To answer your question, I have been here for awhile and I read every day....I just don't post that much. (At least not on things that I know little about....and there seems to be a lot more people on this board that know more than me so I just listen / read and ask a few questions from time to time.) When I can contribute, I will. GHB happens to be something that I am an expert in.

 

[HappyScrappy]

well, I disagree then.

I'm in favor of allowing discussion of something, to hear both sides of it.
pgerardone has mentioned time and again that he has had problems with it. fantastic.
I and others have said they haven't had problems from it.

but I always point out that one should asses their own personal risks and deal with it that way.

to just deny it exists and not talk about it is not the best way to deal with it. security through obscurity is bullshit.

if you don't want to use it - rock on, then don't. if you don't want me to use it, go fuck yourself. you have every right to your opinion, so go for it, express it. as do I.
and along those lines, people need to read up on it and determine their own opinion.

 

[Daeo]

well, I disagree then.

I'm in favor of allowing discussion of something, to hear both sides of it.
pgerardone has mentioned time and again that he has had problems with it. fantastic.
I and others have said they haven't had problems from it.

but I always point out that one should asses their own personal risks and deal with it that way.

to just deny it exists and not talk about it is not the best way to deal with it. security through obscurity is bullshit.

if you don't want to use it - rock on, then don't. if you don't want me to use it, go fuck yourself. you have every right to your opinion, so go for it, express it. as do I.
and along those lines, people need to read up on it and determine their own opinion.

I agree. And because I agree doesn't mean I"m a GHB addict or in denial. Just that I know if too much is taken for too long that sides are possible. As with is true with just about everything else in life. So for those who have addictive personalities or are not mature enough, stay away. I can't determine that or babysit anyone. I find alot of the answers I hear from GHB addicts misleading. Mostly because they abused the drug and then blamed it. Kind of like jumping into an ocean and getting mad at a shark for biting your arm off. Makes no sense...

 

[pgerardone]

The problem with this entire ghb thing is that no one knows if they are going to get addicted when they use it for the first time. Some probably can use it and be ok. But even those people did not know from day one of their ghb use if they would end up addicted or not. My point is by making ghb seem so safe it encourages people to try it and in turn could cause that person to become addicted to it and suffer all the bad shit that goes along with addiction. If you use it and have no problems then great for you. Just realize that most people can not use it without major problems. I have know many, many people who used ghb and I would say 90% of them had some kind of negative result. To tell you the truth I wish it was safe and non-addictive, I would use the shit all day long if it was. But the reality is that using ghb brings negative consequences most of the time to most of the people who use it.

 

[Daeo]

I'm telling you, watch out for starbucks!!!

The problem with this entire ghb thing is that no one knows if they are going to get addicted when they use it for the first time. Some probably can use it and be ok. But even those people did not know from day one of their ghb use if they would end up addicted or not.

I had a good idea if I was to become an addict or not. When I first started taking GHB I said to myself, "Daeo, should I take GHB in excessive amounts for days on end?" I said back to myself, "Of course not you fucking asshole. I though you were alot smarter than that!" Just the other day I asked myself if I should drink alcohol for days on end and came to the same conclusion...

 

[wrj]

If the posted question is in regards to use for trainning and non-partying purposes it belongs on this board, period. I think many people are addicts because they have no self control. I too have been an addict, not to g, but to another substance and you can overcome it.

WRJ

 

[IronFist]

well, I disagree then.

I'm in favor of allowing discussion of something, to hear both sides of it.
pgerardone has mentioned time and again that he has had problems with it. fantastic.
I and others have said they haven't had problems from it.

but I always point out that one should asses their own personal risks and deal with it that way.

to just deny it exists and not talk about it is not the best way to deal with it. security through obscurity is bullshit.

if you don't want to use it - rock on, then don't. if you don't want me to use it, go fuck yourself. you have every right to your opinion, so go for it, express it. as do I.
and along those lines, people need to read up on it and determine their own opinion.

Hell yeah Scappy give it to'em brutha. I totally agree with ya.

 

[Ercole]

Why do you GHB-using guys get so upset by people posting warning about this tricky substance? If you use with no problems and think you'll never have any problems (just wait, baby, just wait!) fine. Ignore these posts.

Just realize people who post these warnings have been where you are, and they want to save you the agony of going where they went a little later.

We've been where you are and we just want you to know there's real danger of getting messed up on this stuff. We're on your side, dudes. We don't want you to get strung out like we did. So why are you flaming us? We're looking out for you.

"I don't need some mofo looking out for me!!!" you say.

Okay, okay. Then just ignore our posts. When you get where we are (I'm over 40) we'll compare notes.

 

[XBiker]

I always try to emphasize the negative effects of GHB for one good reason....

I almost died while using it.

It has purposes, but, IMO, it is not worth the risk as it CAN and WILL kill you if not used properly.

 

[1Mistake]

People- Are we forgetting that it was OTC for yrs in the US and it remains a treatment for alcohol addiction in Europe?? There are THOUSANDS of papers out there about how safe it is IF its used properly!!! Most GHB fatalites are the results of mixing G with other downers ..booze!! Would I swallow a bottle of asprirn to treat a headache??NO!!! Same with G!!!!!
MODERATION!!

J

 

[FISHTALES]

SINCE IT IS MADE UNDERGROUND THERE IS NO WAY TO BE SURE OF ITS POTENCY "MG TO ML THEORY" PEOPLE NEED TO BE CAREFUL SAYING HOW MUCH TO USE ETC. ONE CAP OF BRAND A MAY MAKE YOU SLEEP GOOD ONE CAP OF BRAND B AND YOU MIGHT NOT WAKE UP. DISCUSSION IS GOOD JUST TAKE ADVICE FOR WHAT IT IS (MOSTLY) OPINION.
JUST MY OPINION.

 

[big kev1]

you ghb guys sure are touchy on the subject of addiction. i have used it but never have been addicted, i had enough foresight to see what was coming. i have lots of freinds who went through hell with this stuff, some are in prson today. when someone is reduced to telling another adult to "go fuck themselves" that some one has problems. you may really have convinced yourselves that you are using the shit for bb purposes, or maybe you are new to it, but rest assured that the stuff will bring your quality of life to shit. thats not my opinion, that is a fact.

 

[CYCLEON]

Sory i cant agree with the premise that GHB is "devil juice". If you continue to abuse it (especially when you start taining it in the daytime) then you know you have a problem. That coems not from the substance however but due to an addictive personality. If youhave little self control then it, and AAS for that matter, are not for you. Like the Idiot who died using DNP - the reason was he was being an idiot and not respecting the substance he was taking. BE SMART people, no matter what you are taking.

I do totally agree with warning people to be vary carefull if they use these substances (same as AAS) and to do a lot of research and study before doing so.

BTW: I am not a newbie on either of the above mentioned substances and have used them on and off on a periodic basis for some time - so those who havent, please dont bother to give me any crap. Also, note while i have used GHB, I wouldnt think to use valium or ritalin - so go figure.

 

[Daeo]

Shit. I"m all up for warning people. Scaring people into believing that you'll become an addict just by looking at 3 grams of GHB is bullshit though...

 

[Ercole]

Second

where the fuck did this guy come from?

He comes from the land of Smart People. We all started doing it just once or twice a month. We're just warning you so you won't go thru what we went thru.

Flaming folks who are just looking out for your best interest is simply DENIAL.

 

[Fonz]

Re: Second

He comes from the land of Smart People. We all started doing it just once or twice a month. We're just warning you so you won't go thru what we went thru.

Flaming folks who are just looking out for your best interest is simply DENIAL.

Anyways.........<yawn>

I don't even bother answering these stupid posts anymore
because it is fairly obvious that you professed ex-GHB
addicts are just trying to blame the drug for your
WEAKNESSES.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, IF ANYBODY CAN FIND
A STUDY THAT PROVES THAT GHB IS PHYSIOLOGICALLY
ADDICTIVE then he/she can flame me to their hearts content.

And no "descriptive" studies of "rate your feelings?"
or "How do you feel today?". I mean REAL
bio-chemical readings of serotonin, GABA etc.. etc..
of Pre-GHB use and Post-GHB use.

I can save you the time and tell you its a lost cause because
I have spent literally 200+ hours on Medline and other
medical sites(containing PEER-REVIEWED ARTICLES),
(I researched GHB before starting to use it)and I haven't
found one to date..........

So, for all you guys that ended up addicted to GHB, then
WAKE UP and SMELL the COFFEE, you were
PSYCHOLOGICALLY addicted, therefore the FAULT
is YOURS not GHB's.


Fonz

 

[Riker29]

Re: Re: Second

Anyways.........<yawn>

I don't even bother answering these stupid posts anymore
because it is fairly obvious that you professed ex-GHB
addicts are just trying to blame the drug for your
WEAKNESSES.

Fonz

Fonz you are one of my fave peoepl on here Bro (and I think you know one HELL of a lot more than that other guy who THINKS he is the DNP expert, but lets not get into that ...)

But I have to disgree with ya on this one. The bottom line is that addiction IS a combination of psych and phys effects and frankly, it does not matter.

Besides - it it an AS? NO? Then its NOT for this board. Period.

 

[drrman]

FONZ, i could not agree more with you on this subject. I too have researched it a lot and i know my limits on it. I do not recommend it to people who don't have full self control though. And i still say that 99% of all one time bad experiences from G come from mixing it with other shit. Anyways, I like it but you don't have to.