STOP Abusing supplements!

[mrstamiina]

I ve read a lot of post that really get to me. In all the forums on elitefitness.

Why can’t a lot of you use the supplement they way it says to on the bottle?
For example I posted a new product called 2 AD last night, and got a couple of responses.

So I did a search on 1-AD and found girls and guys taking a lot more then the directions says to. Even when it says don’t exceed 3 capsules a day 300mg, a lot of you guys are taking 600mg and even 900mg a day. Then you complain about sides like low libido, or hair lost.

This is just as bad or even worse with Thermo s. Some people think, if I take more, ill lose weight faster. JACKASSES! Then they pass out or have a stroke, go to the hospital and blame it on the thermo pill they just bought. Never telling the doctor they where doing a triple dose.
The store I buy supplements from keeps the real thermo s and pro hormones behind the counter and only sell them to certain people. They told me they could tell. If they sell a bottle of hydroxycut to a customer and they come back in a week to ten days for another bottle, there not taking it right and most likely abusing it. So they don’t sell it to them any more.

What hurts the most, when watching the news, they re say how dangerous a lot of supplements are, but never say, “Follow the directions”. I’m sure the 100 cases they have of the people dieing from Ephedra did not follow the directions and took a lot more then they where suppose to.

PEOPLE STOP ABUSSING OUR SUPPLEMENTS OR WHERE GOING TO LOSE THEM!
And it looks like Ma Hung and Ephedra will be gone in about a 5 minutes.

 

[RottenWillow]

Yeah its true there are a lot of knuckleheads that abuse supps but that isnt the reason for the banning. Its just the general lack of knowledge concerning supps among the law makers. Ignorance and hysteria.

Think of all the idiots that OD and destroy their liver with Tylenol. It's not banned or Rx only now is it? No, since everyone (including the law makers) that it was either just an idiot who thought that more was better or someone intentionally trying to hurt themselves.

What's happening is that lobbyiests and lawmakers are using the supp abusers as an excuse to ban. And they will find something.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Think of it as thinning of the gene pool.

But really, I see your point. The rest of us get penalized for the few idiots. But that is the way it will always be - people think that if a little is good, a lot is better. I myself am guilty of this - when I have a headache, I take more tylenol than necessary, hoping it'll make it work faster! Luckily for my liver, I don't get many headaches.

 

[velvett]

People abuse coffee daily but it is too much of money maker to be taken of the market.

If ephedra or ma hung were by scrip only - they would still be on the market.

 

[milo hobgoblin]

ROFL

what a retard

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Milo, agreed.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Milo, this is the same guy that I jumped on for posting question about 2-AD on the anabolic forum. WTF? Take it to the suppliment board.

 

[mrstamiina]

Milo, this is the same guy that I jumped on for posting question about 2-AD on the anabolic forum. WTF? Take it to the suppliment board.

Listen you little steriod needle poping crack head junkie!


I said nothing for you to come over here and to start calling people names and flamming.
You are one of the abussers, which needs to com the F--k down.

Theres right ways and wrong was to take supplements idiot!

You clearly do it wrong with all the sides you get, and the doses you take.
And the fact that this post bothers you says it all.
You little drug addict!


And Milo, you call me a retard? So what Im saying is wrong?

Don't read the bottle take as much as you want.
Push your self to the limite see how much your body can handle a day. When you passout or hair falls out you ll know your limite.

Is that better Milo?
JACKASS!

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Settle down, this isn't the place for this fighting. If you have a problem, please take it up with the individuals, not on this board.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Listen you little steriod needle poping crack head junkie!


I said nothing for you to come over here and to start calling people names and flamming.
You are one of the abussers, which needs to com the F--k down.

Theres right ways and wrong was to take supplements idiot!

You clearly do it wrong with all the sides you get, and the doses you take.
And the fact that this post bothers you says it all.
You little drug addict!


And Milo, you call me a retard? So what Im saying is wrong?

Don't read the bottle take as much as you want.
Push your self to the limite see how much your body can handle a day. When you passout or hair falls out you ll know your limite.

Is that better Milo?
JACKASS!

First of all, suppliments are usually nothing more than food. I don't use that many either. They are a waste of time and money for the most part. What side effect am I getting again from overdosing on vitamin c, fish oil, flax seed oil and BCAA's? I don't have any side effects from using steroids.

Again, my statement was valid. You posted silly question about a suppliment, that doesn't do anything worthwhile in the human body on the STEROID forum. There are different forums for different topics.

For example, this is the woman's forum. 2-ad, and other prohormones are considered to be "abused" it taken at all by women, so why are you posting this here?

Secondly, have some red karma for calling me little.

 

[smb_69]

I am with BBF - what supplements?? Pro-hormones?? C'mon - we all tried them and they do not work (perhaps 19-nor, but that is another point). So they banned ephedra. Big deal.. We can always make our own ECA stack by getting the components from the net.

and Mr. Stamina - c'mon man, those steroids comments are offending the entire board, which is not cool at all - are you having a roid rage without being on them?? - lol

 

[Synpax]

Hmm. I disagree with both Mr Stamiina and BBF.

1) MR. Stamiina - most of these sups, on the bottles, recommend amounts that are too little to be as effective as they can, possibly for liability reasons. For example, 1-test suggests 200mg a day, but is not effective unless you take 400-500 a day because it causes your body to stop producing natural test (150-250g a day), thus you need to go over and above to get a benefit. True, you will face some side effects, but that is a matter of choice.

2) BBF - It's very difficult to distinguish some of these pro hormones from being steroids or not. You can take a poll and see whether something like 1-test is a steroid or not. In one forum (different one) I posted a question about it on annabolics and it got moved, yet I was still accused of being a 'juicer.' It isn't 'silly' so much as a difference of opinion. Maybe the board should strictly say "NOT prohormones!"

Oh, and of course, Stamiina is way way out of line and needs to be banned unless an apology is forthcoming with a quickness.

 

[mrstamiina]

First of all, suppliments are usually nothing more than food. I don't use that many either. They are a waste of time and money for the most part. What side effect am I getting again from overdosing on vitamin c, fish oil, flax seed oil and BCAA's? I don't have any side effects from using steroids.

Again, my statement was valid. You posted silly question about a suppliment, that doesn't do anything worthwhile in the human body on the STEROID forum. There are different forums for different topics.

The name of the Forum is:

Anabolic Discussion Board sponsored by ProteinFactory.com
A forum for anything related to anabolics. Sponsored by ProteinFactory.com

I posted a question on a PRO HORMONE product called 2-AD, that has a anabolic effect...
Anabolic Discussion-Anabolic effect!

See the connection JACKASS!
As much as you wish that forum to say Injectable Steriods ONLY, it doesn't.

And 1 -AD works for many people including myself.
It worked so well I had to cut down from 300mg a day to 200 mg.
I was getting to big.

You little junkie...

 

[juve]

^~

'something like 1-test is a steroid or not'

Ummm...the ignorance. 1-test IS an actual steroid/hormone, it does nbot need any conversion in the body, no need to draw a poll!

And smb, once ephedra is banned (you got, like what, 60 days before it is off the shelves/price lists) it won't be easy to get it off the net, at least not on US owned online retailers

"Secondly, have some red karma for calling me little." - BBF


Please, MrStamiina you're a clueless canting fuck - follow the fucking label (out of the Elite)!

 

[faller]

I agree that some supplements shouldn't be OD'd on, such as ephedra. Others, as mentioned need to be dosed higher than the label, and most nutritional items just give you really expensive urine if you take it to the max. Bottom line, it's important to know what you are dealing with, esp if you are taking above the recomended dose.

 

[smb_69]

juve, man - just to clarify - I mean ECA (ehedrine based), and you can get Ephedrine HCL 25mg pills right now, add some cafeine and aspriin and you are good to go.

and 1-AD - it is all water based weight anyways, IMO, I took that stuff stacked it with 19-nor, etc.. When you are done taking it - it is ALL gone..

I am done with this tread - lets not waste our keystrokes on Mr. St*

 

[thefren]

So this is what you guys do on the last day of the freaking year eh? Particularly you MrStamiina for acting like a troll.

First of all, suppliments are usually nothing more than food. I don't use that many either. They are a waste of time and money for the most part

MrStamiina if you don't like supplements why are you even posting here? This forum is about supplements and people don't need YOU to tell them what's wrong or not. I think we are all mature enough to know what's wrong and what's not (If you didn't know it's a instinct we grow at around 3 years old). It's our responsibility to think about the consequences each supplement carries. Grab a beer, sit'oun and relax man. Sheesh.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

thefren, this was originally on the women's forum. It was moved by a mod.

 

[mrstamiina]

thefren

First off that wasn't my quot and I love my supplements so you got something mixed up.

Second this was for the ephedra ban that happened recently.

I've read, and seen people abuse it.

Mostly woman. Thats why it was on the womans forum. Alot of them are so desperate to lose weight they OD.

I know people that don't even use it to lose weight, they use it for studies, work, even raves..lol

As the thread moved on, it got into pro hormones. Like 1AD which works. And I did a search on 1AD and read alot of post where people were getting sides like libido and hair lost. Then I read what they were taking a day, and just started to laugh. They take about 6 pills a day. Thats what I also call abuse, seeing how it says don't exceed more then 3.

 

[Synpax]

I know people that don't even use it to lose weight, they use it for studies, work, even raves..lol

You are forgetting. Almost everyone who uses it on the training and supplement board uses it for none of the above: They use it because it's great in the gym and for running/boxing.

I recall the first time I tried using it at the track (Xenodrine RFA-1 by Cytodine, the company that lost the lawsuit over that product). Like nothing else. I flew. I literally flew like the Concord. Like nothing else. T-rex is cool but doesn't come close.

Anywy, if you want to get angry, don't get angry at those OD'ing, get angry at those who vote for politicians who don't believe in personal liberty. I'm fine with labeling it, restricting it's sales/use to those over 18, and even recognize the right of private organizations to ban use by it's members (NFL, etc), but baning a substance that is dangerous but not mind-altering/reason interfering is entirely is immoral.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

I've read, and seen people abuse it.

Mostly woman. Thats why it was on the womans forum. Alot of them are so desperate to lose weight they OD.

I find this statement mildly irritating - yes, many of the women on the Women's board want to lose weight (as do most women). But most of the women there are not the typical overweight women who are looking for a magic pill. Most of the women there bust their ass day in and day out to reach their goals.

To automatically assume that because it is women posting, that they are abusing diet pills is offensive.

 

[mrstamiina]

I find this statement mildly irritating - yes, many of the women on the Women's board want to lose weight (as do most women). But most of the women there are not the typical overweight women who are looking for a magic pill. Most of the women there bust their ass day in and day out to reach their goals.

To automatically assume that because it is women posting, that they are abusing diet pills is offensive.

Sorry Daisy, I don' t mean all the women on the forum.
and certainly not you.lol

I'm talking about the girls at my gym and go to my friends supplement store. He total agrees with me. He says he sees it all the time. He will even ask "where do you workout?" and they say "I don't!" He never sells it to that person again.

 

[seraphElite]

not to sound like a dick/a 3 year old... but they started it


if you have nothing nice to say...dont say it at all...how else is he soppose to react "oh ok...im a retard" be nice plz
8====D

 

[JuicePimp]

Most supplements like pro-hormones need to be taken at a high dose to get the anabolic effect desired.

Do you think I am "abusing" protein because I use more than the food pyramid recommend?

Think about the hundreds of factors that go into choosing the recomended dose that goes on the bottle. Think real hard. Come up with some reasons totally unrelated to building muscle or losing weight? Legal liability to name one.

I am sorry, but MrStamina, you have got no clue what you are saying and you got red karma from me.

 

[mrstamiina]

Most supplements like pro-hormones need to be taken at a high dose to get the anabolic effect desired.

Do you think I am "abusing" protein because I use more than the food pyramid recommend?

Think about the hundreds of factors that go into choosing the recomended dose that goes on the bottle. Think real hard. Come up with some reasons totally unrelated to building muscle or losing weight? Legal liability to name one.

I am sorry, but MrStamina, you have got no clue what you are saying and you got red karma from me.

Well for the norm, the recommended dose of pro hormones work fine.
If you re on JUICE......Mr. Juicepimp, its not going to help you at all. Even if you take the entire bottle.

And you can OD on protien powder. You ll be on the shitter for days. Abusing some supplements over others have there different effects. You won't die if you take a entire pound of protien powder but you will die if you take the entire bottle of 1-AD at ounce. Or go through some serious pain and trip to the hospital.

I wouldn't think somebody named JUICEPIMP would agree with it.

Your red karma returned.

 

[wend]

Mr. S., I'm with Daisy...though I find your statement more than MILDLY irritating. I find it downright insulting and stupid. You acknowledge that you were really thinking of women who frequent the store where your friend works, but you come to Elite and post this crap? A real brain trust, aren'tcha? You ought to apologize.

Maybe that would earn you some good karma, but for now, it's red for you.

 

[mrstamiina]

First of Wend,

I said sorry.

Second, Why would this post bother you? Are you a abusser? Do you feel guilty or something.

I could waste my day and go through the womens forum and copy and past abussers but you know who you are.

If you re not one of the people that abuse thermos, why would this post bother you?

hmmmm?

 

[seraphElite]

cant we all get along?

 

[wend]

Why in the world would I want to get along with an obvious idiot? I try to pick my friends more carefully.

No, Mr. Stamiina [sic], I don't abuse diet pills. I've never even taken diet pills, though I did recently start taking a thermogenic, which I take according to the directions, thank you. (BTW, your poorly spelled screen-name seems like a lot of self-flattery to me...I'm sure you're a legend in your own mind.)

 

[mrstamiina]

AHAHAH you re pissed!

At what I don't know? Why are you so pissed Wend?
I never asked to be your friend. So I don't know why you're calling me a idiot.

Well if it makes you feel better calling me a idiot, go ahead.

You re the the smart one getting all pissed at a comment you've read on a message forum.

Hey Wend are you still on your Deca cycle with your thermo?

I hope we can meet one day and be best friends Wend..

HAHAHAHAHAHH

 

[MR.DUMBELL]

bro your totally right people dont take supplemnts right. thats why people get hurt from them then the supp gets banned. the thing that piss me off is thousands of people die a day from smoking but thats ok. put a couple of people die from supplemnts and they banned then. good post

 

[mrstamiina]

bro your totally right people dont take supplemnts right. thats why people get hurt from them then the supp gets banned. the thing that piss me off is thousands of people die a day from smoking but thats ok. put a couple of people die from supplemnts and they banned then. good post

Thanks...


One of the girls friends that I train didn't even know that she should cycle her Thermo s.

Shes been taking them everyday for over a year and is almost in triple doses a day because she doesn't get the Buzz feeling. LOL

On top of that she s fatter then she was whe she first started...
HAHAH and some people get pissed off by this post...

Pleasssssse..

 

[seraphElite]

you never took diet pills before...but now you are on thermos... ...dont know the point of the first part of that sentance

 

[wend]

I think of appetite suppressants as diet pills, which I've never taken.

And no, I'm no longer using deca. I used it for about 8 weeks with good results, and now it's time to cut a bit.

 

[milo hobgoblin]

MrStamina

Sooo many poor souls out there laid up in the hospital from taking too much creatine and 4-AD..

OH THE HORROR!!!!

/*cries* WHY DIDNT THEY JUST READ THE LABEL!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN...!!!!!


earlier I called you a retard.

I was wrong.

You're a fucking retard. You have no business posting here and you dont know a fucking thing about supplements.

HUNDREDS of people a year die from aspirin alone..

NO ONE, NOT ONE SINGLE CASE OF A DEATH FROM ANY PROHORMONE OR CREATINE.. ANYTHING.

and you come here talking doom and gloom about supplements when we are already having enough problems.

The only example that people can come up with is ephedrine... and you have to be 15 shades of stupid to hurt yourself using that... in any case its now banned so its a non issue.

 

[mrstamiina]

Re: MrStamina

Sooo many poor souls out there laid up in the hospital from taking too much creatine and 4-AD..

OH THE HORROR!!!!

/*cries* WHY DIDNT THEY JUST READ THE LABEL!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN...!!!!!


earlier I called you a retard.

I was wrong.

You're a fucking retard. You have no business posting here and you dont know a fucking thing about supplements.

HUNDREDS of people a year die from aspirin alone..

NO ONE, NOT ONE SINGLE CASE OF A DEATH FROM ANY PROHORMONE OR CREATINE.. ANYTHING.

and you come here talking doom and gloom about supplements when we are already having enough problems.

The only example that people can come up with is ephedrine... and you have to be 15 shades of stupid to hurt yourself using that... in any case its now banned so its a non issue.

AHAHAH you re a happy one...

Wow so mad from a simple post.

They don't die from pro hormones just lose there hair, sexdrive, testicles, get acne, then come here and post that they were taking triple the dose and had sides.... well Daaaaaaaa.

and Milo I wouldn't abuse the aspirin also.

 

[Sir Foxx]

What is one persons abuse is anothers effective dose. Stop preaching and let people make their own choices. You need to worry more about yourself Stamina than anyone else.

 

[mrstamiina]

What is one persons abuse is anothers effective dose. Stop preaching and let people make their own choices. You need to worry more about yourself Stamina than anyone else.

Because when some one abusses it and hurts themselves they go crying to the doctor. The next thing you know, the government uses it as a exscuse to get rid of it.

So I'am looking out for myself because I don't want to lose any more.
We lost ephedra who knows whats going to be next.

 

[Sir Foxx]

We didn't lose ephedra because of anyone suing, whining or dying. We lost ephedra because it out performs all of the pharmaceutical companies expensive weightloss drugs by at least a 2 to 1 margin. They can't compete with a drug that costs as little as $6 a bottle when their drugs can cost as high as $500 a month and don't work nearly as well. They paid a bunch of senators and congressman and people in the executive branch to get it taken off the market.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

We didn't lose ephedra because of anyone suing, whining or dying. We lost ephedra because it out performs all of the pharmaceutical companies expensive weightloss drugs by at least a 2 to 1 margin. They can't compete with a drug that costs as little as $6 a bottle when their drugs can cost as high as $500 a month and don't work nearly as well. They paid a bunch of senators and congressman and people in the executive branch to get it taken off the market.

The people dying were jsut a handy excuse to cover their greed.....

 

[Sir Foxx]

Exactly.

 

[mrstamiina]

The people dying were jsut a handy excuse to cover their greed.....

Jesus Christ every one, we all no the government lies.

Why give them any excuses to use.

Thats all I'm saying.

They didn't make up 100 deaths on ephedra. Thats what there going to present in court, When all the companies start suing.

Why give the government proof?

 

[Barak]

I believe the point is being responsible tom yourself and the government doesn't care. Give up on the lecturing and get with the program, we have a lot of naturals on this board and none act like you are now.

 

[MrMakaveli]

Your neglecting tolerance issues, whcih I'm not sure how you could miss.

For example- being an ex smoker, I have to exceed the dosage reccomended on the thremorexin bottle..abuse? Nope, just a tolerance issue.

BTW: Even P.A. th eman who designed 1-AD says the dsoage on the bottle is conservative and to take more.

 

[Dieselstud23]

Abusing supp

First of all I totally agree with Sir Fox, this is all about money and the big pharmas are winning by banning ephedra and sell their shit drugs. and to smb_69 dude I dont know what pro hormone you took that it was all water, 1 test is great personally for me has worked better then some real gear, I'm not going back to the real gear while we have trandermal 1 test I love the solid gains and strength up the roof!!! and easy to buy and most of all legal

 

[mrstamiina]

Your neglecting tolerance issues, whcih I'm not sure how you could miss.

For example- being an ex smoker, I have to exceed the dosage reccomended on the thremorexin bottle..abuse? Nope, just a tolerance issue.

BTW: Even P.A. th eman who designed 1-AD says the dsoage on the bottle is conservative and to take more.

First off,

Which doctor, or where does it say on the bottle of thremorexin does it say "If you are a ex smoker to ignore the dosage on the bottle and take what ever you want?"

And second, I would love to read this article or quote of Ergopharm saying "you should take more then what we say on the bottle"
I called them and even asked, for recommended dosage and cycles.

So I would love to know where you re getting your info from?

By the way I'm not saying you re wrong , just want to know where you base your info from.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Macro and Ulter both have posted that people who are ex-smokers will probably have to exceed the recommended doseage. I wouldn't say they RECOMMENDED this, simply from a legal standpoint I doubt they would do so, but they have said that individual users might find they need to take more based off their past history of smoking and/or other drug use.

Everyone has different tolerance levels to everything. I have a friend who can't take Advil - she gets a type of "high" off of it. If she takes just ONE ADVIL, she can't drive because she acts like she is drunk. Everyone is built differently, and therefore wil lreact differently to EVERYTHING. This includes legal and illegal substances. The recommended doesages are typically a safe "ballpark" - YMMV.


All companies 'low ball' the doses listed on the package. If Americans weren't such a litigious group, they wouldn't have to do this.

 

[keeponriding]

He's a junkie because he chooses to inject his steroids?? Just because you pop a pill doesnt mean you are any better. Many many many drugs are pill based. What do you think 1-AD is? You think its that much different than injectable steroids? I prefer injectables because they dont have to pass through the liver. You are clearly here just to flame, you are a sad waste of space.

 

[mrstamiina]

He's a junkie because he chooses to inject his steroids?? Just because you pop a pill doesnt mean you are any better. Many many many drugs are pill based. What do you think 1-AD is? You think its that much different than injectable steroids? I prefer injectables because they dont have to pass through the liver. You are clearly here just to flame, you are a sad waste of space.

You are way of topic bro........


You better read the title and first post again.

 

[UA_Iron]

Women abusing supplements?
Sounds highly unlikely, all I have is qualitative data to base this on, but how many more men do you see in supplement stores than women? How often do you you hear women touting the newest, latest, greatest supplement to lose weight? I certainly dont and I live in a dorm around 100's of girls, go to a gym where 1000's of girls go. Never once have I heard girls in the gym talking about something they are taking. This is my reason for believing supplement use amongst women way lower than that in men...which would most likely mean abuse of supplements is lower in women then men. Supplement abuse is probably the highest in High School males.

Growing off 1-AD?
Highly unlikely, I was taking 4 pills a day, noticed nothing. Maybe you are the exception and can grow off an amount less than the recommended but I doubt it. Your growth was probably due to an increase in protein, different training, mindset or another factor.

Regarding Ergopharm...
I remember reading in an article touting this product that Patrick Arnold stated the dosages are conservative and that many users have seen better results off a significantly higher dosage....implying that one should take more than the recommended to see good results...yet being legally correct as to not get sued for misuse of the product.


Water retention and 1-AD
Pat arnold states something to the effect of "many users report similar reults as using trenbolone-acetate." Laughable, haha. I didnt notice any water retention, but actually muscle hardness and leaner look. My experiences versus yours.

Ephedra
I think its safer than the government and health officials claim which leads me to believe that the ban on ephedra products is special interest based...pharmacuetical companies like SirFoxx stated.

Supplement Abuse.
well, if you're at this point you're at least somewhat health concerned because your goals are what the supplement promises. IMO better than abusing Little Debbie and Hostess foods like most Americans.

 

[Dieselstud23]

Dude Part Arnold is a Genious , I know people who have gotten good results with 4 caps a day, but people use it around 8 to 9 a day for best results!!!!, and 1 test gives you the harder look and strength and you can grow lean weight with it!!. it seems your just talking non sense!

 

[matto18]

stamina - you are an extremely uneducated (and most likely extremely YOUNG) guy. you ought to know what you're talking about before you go about preaching your unintelligent ideas. you're dumber than a box of rocks!

 

[mrstamiina]

stamina - you are an extremely uneducated (and most likely extremely YOUNG) guy. you ought to know what you're talking about before you go about preaching your unintelligent ideas. you're dumber than a box of rocks!

Thanks for your insults.....


Good contribution to the thread.


Seeing how you're so intelligent maybe you should teach us.

 

[matto18]

you take 1-AD yourself and claim that anyone who uses illegal anabolic steroids is a "junkie." i think that pretty much speaks for itself. not very well thought out. nice try though.

 

[mrstamiina]

you take 1-AD yourself and claim that anyone who uses illegal anabolic steroids is a "junkie." i think that pretty much speaks for itself. not very well thought out. nice try though.

"Anyone!" Who uses illegal anabolic steroids is a junkie??/

When did I say that?

I never said that.........I've used them!

Did you read the title of this thread?????? Or just blowing off steam about something else.

 

[matto18]

Listen you little steriod needle poping crack head junkie!


I said nothing for you to come over here and to start calling people names and flamming.
You are one of the abussers, which needs to com the F--k down.

Theres right ways and wrong was to take supplements idiot!

You clearly do it wrong with all the sides you get, and the doses you take.
And the fact that this post bothers you says it all.
You little drug addict!


And Milo, you call me a retard? So what Im saying is wrong?

Don't read the bottle take as much as you want.
Push your self to the limite see how much your body can handle a day. When you passout or hair falls out you ll know your limite.

Is that better Milo?
JACKASS!

voila. and i'm tired of arguing with you, dumbass. its futile to do so with idiots. i'm done with it. later.

 

[mrstamiina]

voila. and i'm tired of arguing with you, dumbass. its futile to do so with idiots. i'm done with it. later. [/B][/QUOTE]


AHAHAH thats how you Interpret my post to a guy calling me names on a message board?


What are you his boyfriend?

 

[rtdoplex]

Maybe we should change the focus of this thread a bit?

I personally think there should be some personal leniency in dosages. The listed amount may not be effective for some.

But I think what stamina is trying to say is that when you pass out and have a stroke in the gym because you took 4 times the dosage of something without knowing what you were getting into, don't blame the drug.

 

[mrstamiina]

Maybe we should change the focus of this thread a bit?

I personally think there should be some personal leniency in dosages. The listed amount may not be effective for some.

But I think what stamina is trying to say is that when you pass out and have a stroke in the gym because you took 4 times the dosage of something without knowing what you were getting into, don't blame the drug.

Exactly!

They might start flamming you now...look out.

 

[JuicePimp]

This post is so far from the truth it should be moved to the chat forum