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with your sticky
is that okay to be?
i'm not racking the muck or talking shit, but it seems like a shady precedent to set.
are we not allowed to disagree/argue with mods anymore??
cause they way i read it we are not...
 
we can disagree just not disrespect...
 
PuddleMonkey said:
I'm with bino on this one. Unless it upsets some higher ups, then I'm all for his banning.
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the next banning will be the final banning
but, pending some disaster, i don't see that happening
 
bigmann245 said:
we can disagree just not disrespect...
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That's a pretty good way to put it, but it goes even deeper; "disagreement" has sometimes been used as an excuse to undermine or sabotage a mod's authority, too.

Of course the mods are human; what we are addressing is a mindset that says "because mods (sometimes) make mistakes, that gives us the right to question, dispute or defy every decision made by any mod."

No, it doesn't. It does not give you any right to repost a deleted thread, steal advertising space, or engage in any other behavior that a mod has told you needs to stop.

It does give you the right to ask another mod to intervene, or tell the admins that you are having a communication problem.

My PM box is open and I know how to archive it so it doesn't fill up, unlike Rick's. :D
 
hey diggs is there a ef-mobile in the works?
it doesn't work worth a fuck as it is, every post equals a page and it takes forever to read an entire thread
 
digger said:
That's a pretty good way to put it, but it goes even deeper; "disagreement" has sometimes been used as an excuse to undermine or sabotage a mod's authority, too.

Of course the mods are human; what we are addressing is a mindset that says "because mods (sometimes) make mistakes, that gives us the right to question, dispute or defy every decision made by any mod."

No, it doesn't. It does not give you any right to repost a deleted thread, steal advertising space, or engage in any other behavior that a mod has told you needs to stop.

It does give you the right to ask another mod to intervene, or tell the admins that you are having a communication problem.

My PM box is open and I know how to archive it so it doesn't fill up, unlike Rick's. :D
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perhaps there's sentiment for a more democratic way of being ruled
these are paying customers
 
digger said:
That's a pretty good way to put it, but it goes even deeper; "disagreement" has sometimes been used as an excuse to undermine or sabotage a mod's authority, too.

Of course the mods are human; what we are addressing is a mindset that says "because mods (sometimes) make mistakes, that gives us the right to question, dispute or defy every decision made by any mod."

No, it doesn't. It does not give you any right to repost a deleted thread, steal advertising space, or engage in any other behavior that a mod has told you needs to stop.

It does give you the right to ask another mod to intervene, or tell the admins that you are having a communication problem.

My PM box is open and I know how to archive it so it doesn't fill up, unlike Rick's. :D
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i agree 100%.
 
Didn't the original post say:

do not disprespect, hinder, or give crap to any mod [BOLD]doing their job[/BOLD].

So I read that as we're free to argue with them, but only within the context of them doing their job.
 
Spartacus said:
perhaps there's sentiment for a more democratic way of being ruled
these are paying customers
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That item was on the list; we found it contrary to fact.

The kind of people we want here -- interesting and intelligent posters -- are overwhelmingly in favor of a more grown up approach.

In short, "that dog won't hunt."

We're not discussing this. We're explaining it, and having explained it we'll be enforcing it.
 
Bino said:
with your sticky
is that okay to be?
i'm not racking the muck or talking shit, but it seems like a shady precedent to set.
are we not allowed to disagree/argue with mods anymore??
cause they way i read it we are not...
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what bigmann said.

of course you can disagree with a mod. you can argue too.
i've argued with lots of members. pretty adamantly. but they were respectful.
that's what we're saying.
 
mrplunkey said:
Didn't the original post say:

do not disprespect, hinder, or give crap to any mod [BOLD]doing their job[/BOLD].

So I read that as we're free to argue with them, but only within the context of them doing their job.
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i anticipate any ownishment to be labeled as disrespect
a copout, so to speak and hence why i'm concerned
 
Digger is right. Admins & mods deserve a certain level of respect. There is something called status, and it is present not to undermine other members, but to have the authority and responsibility to keep this board safe, friendly and educational for all the members. Disrespect is a fools game.

Guardian calling me a kissass in 3, 2, 1....
 
the_alcatraz said:
Digger is right. Admins & mods deserve a certain level of respect. There is something called status, and it is present not to undermine other members, but to have the authority and responsibility to keep this board safe, friendly and educational for all the members. Disrespect is a fools game.

Guardian calling me a kissass in 3, 2, 1....
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very well said.
 
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Mavafanculo said:
very well said.
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the mods are outnumbering the regular posters
it's like the officer class in 19th century UK
they look down upon the plebs and form elite cliques
 
Bino said:
the mods are outnumbering the regular posters
it's like the officer class in 19th century UK
they look down upon the plebs and form elite cliques
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what's the regular poster to mod ratio?

I think if I am not mistaken, the ratio of "regular poster" : mod, ie. the value of the fraction mod / "regular poster = probably something like 1 / 1000 = 0.001. That's 1/10th of a percent. I really don't believe there are to many mods on this boards, but that's not the issue being discussed here.

Moreover, the mods / admins do not look down, patronize or belittle members. That is a rash statement, based on circumstantial evidence.
 
mrplunkey said:
Didn't the original post say:

do not disprespect, hinder, or give crap to any mod [BOLD]doing their job[/BOLD].

So I read that as we're free to argue with them, but only within the context of them doing their job.
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if you're trying (emphasis on trying) to say that you can disrespect and insult a mod when he's not directly in the act of doing his job, think again.

that door's been closed.


arguing/disagreeing on non-Mod action topics is fine of course. disrespect and insults are not.

arguing/disagreeing on Mod actions on the open board is off the table.

If you have a problem with a mod,

1) first step is to PM him to try to work it out like 2 humans (what a concept).

2) If you're not satisfied, next step is to PM Admin with your issue.

seems like a pretty fair, resonable and efficient way of doing things.
 
Mavafanculo said:
if you're trying (emphasis on trying) to say that you can disrespect and insult a mod when he's not directly in the act of doing his job, think again.

that door's been closed.


arguing/disagreeing on non-Mod action topics is fine of course. disrespect and insults are not.

arguing/disagreeing on Mod actions on the open board is off the table.

If you have a problem with a mod,

1) first step is to PM him to try to work it out like 2 humans (what a concept).

2) If you're not satisfied, next step is to PM Admin with your issue.

seems like a pretty fair, resonable and efficient way of doing things.
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I have heard Mav emphasize this many times on several different threads. No disrespect to anyone, but this should go without saying...
 
Bino said:
hey diggs is there a ef-mobile in the works?
it doesn't work worth a fuck as it is, every post equals a page and it takes forever to read an entire thread
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I looked at WAP a while back, but jeebus, we're already way behind where we wanted to be on the upgrade cycle. The vBulletin folks have re-invented maybe two-thirds of our custom code, which is great, seriously, but we still have some stuff that needs to get hacked into the upgraded site before we can turn it live... and whether the new release is more mobile-friendly or not, I haven't got a clue.

Maybe you just need an iPhone? I should talk George into giving me one. It's a business expense, right?
 
being a mod and still trying to enjoy the site as a customer is pretty tough to do. you have to lay down the law, because thats what the job entails, but at the same time you dont want to over do it and mess around and find yourself not enjoying your time here. i have a lot of respect for the mods because it is a thankless job in a way. if it were not for them this place would run out of control and nobody would come here. its like being a cop in a way, sometimes you have to lay the smack down on someone you are "friends" with because its your job. ive been there and its not fun but you gotta do it. so cut them some slack because the ones that abused their power are not here anymore. this board is very good at maintaining order and control and thats why ive been here for 8 years. i may not have 1.2 million posts like some of yall but i have certainly enjoyed my time here and hope to continue to enjoy this board for years to come. im plat for life and if i was able to afford it i would be a COTB.
 
Bino said:
the mods are outnumbering the regular posters
it's like the officer class in 19th century UK
they look down upon the plebs and form elite cliques
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you have to compare it to the entire site not just c&c plus not all mods have mod powers in all boards too....
 
bigmann245 said:
being a mod and still trying to enjoy the site as a customer is pretty tough to do. you have to lay down the law, because thats what the job entails, but at the same time you dont want to over do it and mess around and find yourself not enjoying your time here. i have a lot of respect for the mods because it is a thankless job in a way. if it were not for them this place would run out of control and nobody would come here. its like being a cop in a way, sometimes you have to lay the smack down on someone you are "friends" with because its your job. ive been there and its not fun but you gotta do it. so cut them some slack because the ones that abused their power are not here anymore. this board is very good at maintaining order and control and thats why ive been here for 8 years. i may not have 1.2 million posts like some of yall but i have certainly enjoyed my time here and hope to continue to enjoy this board for years to come. im plat for life and if i was able to afford it i would be a COTB.
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exactly.

and your other post is right on the money too... bino- chat is one forum here. the rules are the same everywhere though- there are definate rules in the AAS forum and the moderators MUST enforce them. I think we all agree that's understandable.
so we can't have members in the AAS forum name calling and degrading a mod and getting banned for it, but saying it's okay to do it chat. it's not.

if you're worried about 'pwning' a mod and thinking that's disrespect- use your judgement. you want to call one of us out on who won a baseball game, i'm sure that's fine.
 
stilleto said:
exactly.

and your other post is right on the money too... bino- chat is one forum here. the rules are the same everywhere though- there are definate rules in the anabolic androgenic steroids forum and the moderators MUST enforce them. I think we all agree that's understandable.
so we can't have members in the AAS forum name calling and degrading a mod and getting banned for it, but saying it's okay to do it chat. it's not.

if you're worried about 'pwning' a mod and thinking that's disrespect- use your judgement. you want to call one of us out on who won a baseball game, i'm sure that's fine.
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I'm guessing bino isn't concerned about the "doing their job" part of protecting a mod. Its what they do when their job is the last thing on their minds.

Some mods stay above the fray virtually all the time and some jump into the muck and wallow-around with members. If a mod decides to wallow in the swill over controversial issue "XYZ" and engage in derogatory language is this policy aimed at protecting them when they don't like the way the tide turns?

Not trying to speak for bino, but I'm guessing that's what he and others would be concerned about.
 
mrplunkey said:
I'm guessing bino isn't concerned about the "doing their job" part of protecting a mod. Its what they do when their job is the last thing on their minds.

Some mods stay above the fray virtually all the time and some jump into the muck and wallow-around with members. If a mod decides to wallow in the swill over controversial issue "XYZ" and engage in derogatory language is this policy aimed at protecting them when they don't like the way the tide turns?

Not trying to speak for bino, but I'm guessing that's what he and others would be concerned about.
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part of the plan here is that mods will refrain from the already rare instances of "wallowing in the swill and engaging in derogatory language".

no need to cite examples, we know they're there. we've all done it. BRR has directed that it stop, and so it will.


-
 
Mavafanculo said:
part of the plan here is that mods will refrain from the already rare instances of "wallowing in the swill and engaging in derogatory language".

no need to cite examples, we know they're there. we've all done it. BRR has directed that it stop, and so it will.


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Ahhhh... didn't know that part! It makes perfect sense.

I always figured mods could just make admin-approved alters and swing-away with those toons. It would stink not being able to fight with the rest of us.
 
digger said:
I looked at WAP a while back, but jeebus, we're already way behind where we wanted to be on the upgrade cycle. The vBulletin folks have re-invented maybe two-thirds of our custom code, which is great, seriously, but we still have some stuff that needs to get hacked into the upgraded site before we can turn it live... and whether the new release is more mobile-friendly or not, I haven't got a clue.

Maybe you just need an iPhone? I should talk George into giving me one. It's a business expense, right?
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You know I still cannot view the board with my Iphone. Not sure what I am doing wrong. Any time I go to log in I keep getting pop ups. It is a pain so I just give up.
 
silverstar1025 said:
You know I still cannot view the board with my Iphone. Not sure what I am doing wrong. Any time I go to log in I keep getting pop ups. It is a pain so I just give up.
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If I post-whore on EF on my blackberry, i.e. rogers data plan, I'll be broke in a couple of months and live off the streets as a bum.
 
the_alcatraz said:
Digger is right. Admins & mods deserve a certain level of respect. There is something called status, and it is present not to undermine other members, but to have the authority and responsibility to keep this board safe, friendly and educational for all the members. Disrespect is a fools game.

Guardian calling me a kissass in 3, 2, 1....
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hey i was sleeping. i actually agree with u to a point.
 
Mavafanculo said:
if you're trying (emphasis on trying) to say that you can disrespect and insult a mod when he's not directly in the act of doing his job, think again.

that door's been closed.


arguing/disagreeing on non-Mod action topics is fine of course. disrespect and insults are not.

arguing/disagreeing on Mod actions on the open board is off the table.

If you have a problem with a mod,

1) first step is to PM him to try to work it out like 2 humans (what a concept).

2) If you're not satisfied, next step is to PM Admin with your issue.

seems like a pretty fair, resonable and efficient way of doing things.
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shouldnt the same apply for every EF member? respect for all whether they are a mod or not.
 
silverstar1025 said:
You know I still cannot view the board with my Iphone. Not sure what I am doing wrong. Any time I go to log in I keep getting pop ups. It is a pain so I just give up.
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i can view it just fine on my Moto Q
 
Bino said:
disrespect is so ambigious though.
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. . .and subjective. . .plus. . .some people don't understand my sense of humor (not that it's all that high-brow) and take things that i say out of context. . .i understand what letto is saying though, and i don't have a problem with it. . .plus, nobody ever said this was a democracy
 
digimon7068 said:
. . .and subjective. . .plus. . .some people don't understand my sense of humor (not that it's all that high-brow) and take things that i say out of context. . .i understand what letto is saying though, and i don't have a problem with it. . .plus, nobody ever said this was a democracy
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it took me awhile to get used to your style. :)
 
GUARDIAN said:
it took me awhile to get used to your style. :)
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i'm just a goofball, knucklehead, smart-ass. . .generally, the only time that i'm serious (on here) is when it comes to matters of safety, health, the heart. . .and to a certain extent, financial bullshit. . .anytime i'm ranting about something, 99% of the time i'm just goofing around. . .

if i ever offended you, i sincerely apologize. . .you're a good d00d. . .i'd just as soon you thought me an ok guy. . .
 
digimon7068 said:
i'm just a goofball, knucklehead, smart-ass. . .generally, the only time that i'm serious (on here) is when it comes to matters of safety, health, the heart. . .and to a certain extent, financial bullshit. . .anytime i'm ranting about something, 99% of the time i'm just goofing around. . .

if i ever offended you, i sincerely apologize. . .you're a good d00d. . .i'd just as soon you thought me an ok guy. . .
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no worries. u never offended me. i just had a hard time telling when u were serious or not.

u r a standup guy Mr. Clooney!
 
btw, i'm not going to lock this, because it doesn't matter, although please know that the matter isn't up for debate with the mods.

thanks for understanding and if anyone ever has a problem with me or any other mod, please feel free to pm me. i'm actually a cooler person in private.

i think.
 
GUARDIAN said:
i can view it just fine on my Moto Q
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hmm I am retarded I guess. I will just keep trying and one day I will get it. If at first you don't succeed try and try again.
 
stilleto said:
thanks for understanding and if anyone ever has a problem with me or any other mod, please feel free to pm me. i'm actually a cooler person in private.
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What about privates?
 
stilleto said:
btw, i'm not going to lock this, because it doesn't matter, although please know that the matter isn't up for debate with the mods.

thanks for understanding and if anyone ever has a problem with me or any other mod, please feel free to pm me. i'm actually a cooler person in private.

i think.
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would it be disrespectful if i asked to motorboat you??
 
digimon7068 said:
. . .and subjective. . .plus. . .some people don't understand my sense of humor (not that it's all that high-brow) and take things that i say out of context. . .i understand what letto is saying though, and i don't have a problem with it. . .plus, nobody ever said this was a democracy
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As You are well aware of now. If a mod is uncertain you will get a pm from them. Or you can pm them and talk with them. As I recall you and I have don this a few times :)
 
stilleto said:
btw, i'm not going to lock this, because it doesn't matter, although please know that the matter isn't up for debate with the mods.

thanks for understanding and if anyone ever has a problem with me or any other mod, please feel free to pm me. i'm actually a cooler person in private.

i think.
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this is VERY true.... she only acts tough on TV.... lol
 
stilleto said:
no, because I can concentrate all my coolness into one zone.

nobody is watching or judging me here that i'm aware of.
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u better be careful need2 has his eye on ya.....


:heart:
 
needtogetaas said:
As You are well aware of now. If a mod is uncertain you will get a pm from them. Or you can pm them and talk with them. As I recall you and I have don this a few times :)
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i wasn't referring to you. . .


























as far as you know :lmao:
 
I promise to never tell any super-fab mod to kiss my butt ever again.


Just to show my sincerity, I wrote it on a chalkboard 300 times. :)
 
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