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stevesmi, I got bloodwork done again....

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hercules1971

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Been on pct now for a good 3 months due to high estrogen at 480 and prolactin at 180...here are new results.....

cbc's all came back good
creatinine was 1.51 range .76-1.27 high
egfr 57 range above 59 low
alt 58 range 0-44 high
ast 34 range 0-40 ok
fsh 0.3 range 1.5-12.4 very low
lh 0.1 range 1.7-8.6 very low
igf-1 12 range 10-150 ok i guess
cortisol 25.5 range 6.2-19.4 high
estrodiol 10.1 range 7.6-42.6 ok was 498
prolactin 0.2 range 4.0-15-2 low ok was 198
tsh 4.520 range 0.450-4.500 high
testosterone 221 range 348-1197 low
t4 good
shbg 46.8 16.5-55.9 ok
progesterone0.5 range 0.2-1.4 ok

so after intense 12 weeks of pct here i am...too much to list what i took

i drank pretty good 2 days prior to bloodwork so im guessing it could of elevated me ast..i havnt been drinking much water so im guessing its raising my kidney values...

so do i stop all pct steve and get back on some test or what...
 
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remember i was on for 2 yrs long...i was on test and deca....but i havnt touched anything since last august....2012.....is it possible my hpta never comes back? im just glad my prolactin came down along with my estrogen.....had a mammogram done which was negative also....
 
hercules1971 said:
remember i was on for 2 yrs long...i was on test and deca....but i havnt touched anything since last august....2012.....is it possible my hpta never comes back? im just glad my prolactin came down along with my estrogen.....had a mammogram done which was negative also....
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Sorry but curious ...
How is ur libido ?
 
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my libido was shut down, but its gradually coming back...just not where it use to be......low test,low lh,low fsh im guessing how can it be good...
 
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burnthiscorpse said:
The fact that your tsh is really high says your thyroid is calling for a bunch of hormone from your pituitary that its not getting. I would maybe look into that a little deeper.
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Yup, I was going to say the same thing. I have a buddy that never fully recovered from a 4 week Pro Hormone cycle because his Pituitary gland doesn't produce like it should anymore. That was almost 3 years ago. I would put money on it that that's part of the problem. Definitely look more into this.

Did you run a SERM for an extended period of time?
 
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sorry I was remote all day and could not delve further into this but your LH is at 0 and your total T is at 200 and change. something doesn't add up here.

bottom line is don't run juice for 2 years straight, lesson learned I hope.

time to see a GOOD endo because your fucked up right now and I have no explanation for those numbers i am seeing
 
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I had a mri on my pituiatery gland and they found a possible 5mm adema on it but it wasnt clear. I will continue to take caber to maybe reduce the size of it.
Could i take some t3 to help out my tsh ...does me having a vasectomy effect my lh or fsh any?
 
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Yes i did run some serms for a while. I ran clomid through pct i had to run femara for a longtime to lower high estrogens....my exact pct was this

Caber 3times a week .50
Daa
Postcycle/unleashed
Clomid 25 ed
Hcg 3times-week at 1000 ius
Femara ed .50

Was doing this for 8weeks. But did hcg for 3 of them
 
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hercules1971 said:
I had a mri on my pituiatery gland and they found a possible 5mm adema on it but it wasnt clear. I will continue to take caber to maybe reduce the size of it.
Could i take some t3 to help out my tsh ...does me having a vasectomy effect my lh or fsh any?
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I wouldn't just start taking t3. But then doctors are seriously ignorant about anything thyroid related. Or they just want to push synthroid for the kickbacks they get. Your thyroid calls for hormone and the pituitary sends t4. But then your body has to convert some of that into t3. You could have low t4 or a conversion problem......thyroid issues are a mess. A real cluster fuck. Hence why we tell people not to use T hormones cause you can really wreck your body on a bad way. I live with someone with major thyroid issues (that are under control) so I know it from head to tail. If you have some issue with your pituitary and your TSH is sky high then chances are your pituitary isn't responding.
What is your t4? All you said is that it wad good. If your doc just said good and didn't give a number then you need to get the fucking number and range. You can have numbers within their bullshit range and people won't treat you because its "normal" . They are idiots who need to treat symptoms.
If your t4 is at the bottom of the range with your tsh real high then your thyroid is asking for a ton and your pituitary is giving out dick. But if its low normal then most stupid docs say its "good" . When it really isn't at all. You need to know free t3 as well.
 
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and if my TSH was just slightly lower i probably wouldnt even be having this concern....its just out of range, but i understand u would probably want it on the lower side not the higher side.....im retesing everthing feb 1...maybe i still had serms in my system
 
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but the moral of the story is when i go back to my endo doctor in march she said if my test levels are low she wants to put me on HRT....i thought my bloodwork for most part was good...i am 41 trs old..211 pds..did cycles since 24 yrs old...i understand the whole taper up t3 and taper down...just thought maybe it would burn some fat i got from coming off long cycle and having super high estrogens....i wont take any pills what so ever until feb 1st and retest....i will make sure everything is out of my system...at 41 years old i dont know if all my bloodwork will be perfect...
 
^^^ you need to ask her why your LH is at 0 but your test is at 200 and change.. something doesn't add up.

looking at your results i would have said you were on a low dose of AAS right now. your HPTA is dead but you are somehow still having a T level at 200?? doesn't make any sense

if she blows off your question then see another one.. like burn said these endo's are like any other doctors, they went to medical school and learned shit out of a book.. they never juiced nor did they ever study their own bloods. so they may just say fuck it let me put you on HRT without a game plan for your future if you want to ever come off

also your other numbers are like all over the place like the lab just randomnly came up with results for you. its really odd.
 
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Yea i thoughht the bloods looked ok. Kidneys are elevating levels prob due to damage or deyhdration. Liver is high from drinking and maybe famara hit it hard. Lh fsh i have no idea whats up there. Test levels low i expect for a while. Igf 1 and progesterone were fine. Not gonna use the gel anymore to rub on my shoulders to lower estro or progesterone. And prolactin i burried which is good. Estrogen is gone also. Cortisol i wuld like to lower still. Other then that i guess i was wrong im still a mess
 
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Ive never taken clomid or nolva in my life until now. Never had bloods checked for the things im checking now. Always had major organs checked though. I ran 2cycles a year but never did great pct. but never had any health issues till now and never had a libido issue
 
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What should i be taking now as far as pct?

Daa
Post cycle/unleashed
Hcgenerate

Was gonna continue w caber to try and shrink any tumor i may have on pituiatary
 
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Dont use T3 bro. Its not going to help your situation. I didnt realize your 41 so being a little older could add to thyroid issues.
Your T4 is in the lower end of the range and your TSH is real high so that says something right there. I would love to see what your T3 and free T3 are. If you are having trouble losing bodyfat even on a good cutting diet with cardio then this is the main reason why.

One thing I have found with endo's is that most of them are completely clueless fucking idiots. One of the ones my wife went to was touted as being the best in the state. She did half the required tests and said just take these and see you in a month. Unreal.
Or they want to put you on TRT and try to give you fucking Cyp injections every 2-3 weeks. Yeah...cause a roller coaster T level is good for the body.
 
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Cant i just run 1cycle of t3 in small dosages to try and get rid of some body fat cause yes since coming off and with a good diet fat is building around my waiste line. Plus my low T isnt helping me out any either. Yes my endo dr sucked. I saw her with all my problems before and she said come back in 4months when i can get a baseline on ur issues. Cause i came off everything last august. Is it such a bad thing to go on trt and regulate it better. Shes gonna put me on hrt too lol. I had my tsh run 3moths ago and it was higher before and it came down slightly. I dont see the endo dr until mar 7 im just figuring out what to do till then.. Maybe all these supps im taking are effecting me. Who knows at this point. And my lh and fsh being shut down is pissing me off. At this point of having low libido im ready to just say screw everything and go back on test and deal with this crap when im older..
 
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found some good info on why my TSH could also be high...Steve your a buzzkill lol...burn thx for the help..my estrogen was 500 at one point and its 10 now so thx for that help steve..and prolactin was 181 and its 0 now....so help was appreciated...

Taking estrogen in any form, whether as hormone replacement therapy or in birth control pills, can affect thyroid test results. For example, some women taking supplemental estrogen may need to take more thyroid replacement hormone. Estrogen increases a particular protein that binds thyroid hormone to it, making the thyroid hormone partially inactive. Thyroid tests can end up showing falsely increased total T-4 levels. For a woman without a thyroid gland in particular, this can increase the dosage requirement slightly, as there is no thyroid to compensate.
Menopause, with its fluctuating hormone levels, can also impact your TSH levels. (Read The Menopause Thyroid Connection.)
9. Pregnancy
The intense surge in estrogen during early pregnancy can increase your TSH and your body's need for thyroid hormone. It's particularly important for a woman to have her TSH tested periodically in early pregnancy, to ensure that dosages can be modified accordingly. TSH will frequently drop after delivery as well, in response to these shifts. See Pregnancy & Thyroid Disease Information Center.)
10. Herbs/Supplements/Drugs You Are Taking
Some herbal supplements can have an impact on thyroid function. Herbs such as the ayurvedic herb "guggul," supplements such as tyrosine, products containing iodine such as vitamins, or kelp and bladderwrack supplements have the potential to increase or decrease thyroid function. Starting or stopping one of a number of prescription drugs can also affect thyroid levels. A partial list of medications that can affect thyroid levels include: antidepressants, cholesterol-lowering drugs, corticosteroids, lithium and amiodarone.
11. Changing Course of Your Thyroid Disease
You may have been diagnosed with autoimmune Hashimoto's disease a year ago, prescribed thyroid hormone, gone back six weeks later, got rechecked and your TSH was 2. The doctor decided that your levels were fine and told you to come back in a year to be retested. This year's test shows your TSH at 5.7. This sort of increase may reflect the progression of the autoimmune process. As antibodies further attack the thyroid, it can become less and less able to produce thyroid hormone on its own; therefore, T4 and T3 levels drop and TSH rises.
This same process works in the reverse with Graves' disease, where the same dose of antithyroid drugs that kept you in the normal range six months ago is now leaving you still hyperthyroid, as the thyroid becomes even more overactive. In some cases, after months or more on antithyroid drugs, some Graves' disease patients also go into remission, so you find that your antithyroid drug dose can decrease or even be eliminated at times.
In addition, some women develop thyroiditis after pregnancy. For the majority of these women, the condition will resolve itself, meaning that over time, the thyroid will attempt to return to normal and blood test levels will reflect these changes. Drug dosages need to be changed accordingly.
 
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hercules1971 said:
my estrogen was 500 at one point and its 10 now so thx for that help steve..and prolactin was 181 and its 0 now....so help was appreciated...
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no problem keep us abreast of your situation. i'm still more worried about your LH more than anything else
 
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Steve whats the downside or side effects of having no LH or FSH. Cancer? Death? I had a vasectomy i dont want kids.
 
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Found this on another board lol.
I first went to a fertility place at a major hospital and had a semen analysis. The results were zero sperm. My urologist saw the results and then set me up for a complete blood test. The results showed testosterone at 566 and LH & FSH at "0"...she couldn't believe it. She said that she had never seen these hormones at 0 in all her years of practicing medicine. She said that she's read about it and it is very rare, like 1 in a million.
 
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you need a huge blast of hcg
2500iu EOD for a total of 8 shots
run an AI along with this to keep estrogen down
large doses of hcg will cause leydig cell hyperplasia and is the only way youre gonna to get them up and running, otherwise just get on hrt cuz its not gonna happen without the hcg
 
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i go to a very good endo and me and him get to talking quite often because im one of his few patients who actually understands what he is talking about. we brain storm on diff ideas.
anyway, from what hes told me, plain and simple, if you do too much test for too long it shuts down the pituitary gland. deca will encourage that. if you arent running the right ancillaries and cut back test and deca every so often to give the pituitary a break it just shuts down. your pituitary send signals to your lh and fsh to stop production which in turn shuts down test production and then you are flying solely on artificial test (hrt). so my guess, and im no doctor, but id say you shut down your pituitary and its not working. not a good thing. if you have a growth of sorts on it thats even worse. not trying to alarm you, just telling you what i KNOW. get that taken care of asap. when u get the pituitary working, youll get the lh and fsh going, and then you will build test. as for your test level at 200+, its kind of mind boggling. possibly left over test in the system. u said u were on for 2 yrs correct? could be lingering. the deca is in your system 18 months from last injection. or traces of it in blood.
id take steves advice, hes a very smart guy and get your ass to a top notch endo right away. the longer you stay like this the harder it is to get away from it. DO NOT GO BACK ON, go see a good doctor.
best of luck bro
 
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auslifter90 said:
you need a huge blast of hcg
2500iu EOD for a total of 8 shots
run an AI along with this to keep estrogen down
large doses of hcg will cause leydig cell hyperplasia and is the only way youre gonna to get them up and running, otherwise just get on hrt cuz its not gonna happen without the hcg
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even with hcg he has no lh or fsh. it wont do anything.... you have to have something to stimulate with hcg...
me and steve were just talking about this the other day, it the hpta is dead, and the lh and fsh is at 0.01 and fsh, you can blast all the hcg you want, you will still say the same. right steve?
 
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Obviously With the thyroid panel, LH, FSH, ect...he has to have something going on with his pituitary. You should get pituitary tests done and see if you secrete any natural GH still.

Even though it might really suck you may need to just completely come off absolutely everything for a few months so proper tests can be done on everything. You may be a candidate for full blown HRT. Test, HGH, T3/T4 (armour).
 
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well i did have a mri on my pituiatary last month and no visible signs of tumors are were present, they said there could be something there but wasnt a clear sign of anything....if there was anything there hopfully caber knocked some of it out of there....as far as my balls go i thought when they were plump and full it meant u were making something down there, when im on they get alot smaller...its gonna turn out something stupid is causing a zero reading and when i findout i will let everyone know....maybe hcgenerate is just as good as test is and its shutting my lh and fsh down but cant spike my lh and fsh enough...ive read zero readings isnt the worse thing in the world though...high readings is much worse
 
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noodles1010 said:
even with hcg he has no lh or fsh. it wont do anything.... you have to have something to stimulate with hcg...
me and steve were just talking about this the other day, it the hpta is dead, and the lh and fsh is at 0.01 and fsh, you can blast all the hcg you want, you will still say the same. right steve?
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if you blast away and get a bounce then if your hpta is dead it will just drop back down to 0. its up to your body to pick up.

HMG is a better weapon because it naturally fools the body into produces LH. but even then you still need your body to pick up.. time is your enemy and also your friend throughout the process.

take too long to recover and your gains will evaporate.
 
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Yes im watching my gains melt away as we speak. Depression. No sex drive. Im running out of patience. Drs take months to get u in there..if my only problem is lh and fsh in feb i wont care. Next bloodwork check feb 1st. Not touching anything until then..except milk thistle or n2guard. I see endo again om march 7. If blood is good in feb im gonna run a small test cycle of 8 weeks and shed this fat i left on me when i came off back in aug. endo dr is only gonna put me on a hrt anyway...ive seen such weird numbers in my whole life. I may have been shut down for 15years as far as i know. Never did a full pct recovery after cycle. So i get a script for hrt,trt,hgh. I was on it anyway..
 
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I ordered a bottle ...something else i can try...at this point im ready to just chop my balls off...there dead anyway....
 
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