steroids don't affect me anymore??

[stevesmi]

U serious? I'm not plat but from the look of those pics I'm impressed big time. Just look at those muscle bellies man full and round. There r plenty of guys out there that never come off and don't look anywhere as good as this dude. When this dude decides to get peeled look out!

re-read what I wrote. he is big and strong. but to say he would win a physique contest is false. he is atleast 17% body fat in the 2nd pic, since you aren't plat you can't open it.. he has a belly.

but anyway thats besides the point the OP was asking.. he was specificaly concerned that he fried his receptors and knows that what he did was wrong starting to use steroids at 17. kudos to him for seeking help and that is what we should offer. it seems like some guys on here are applauding him for fucking himself up, not trying to help. on EF we teach RESPONSIBLE use of anabolic steroids for HEALTHY ADULT MEN. now there are exceptions for certain females or guys who have underlying problems/diseases, HIV, etc. but we have female forum and HIV forum for that.

on the AAS forum we do not applaud 17 year olds for using steroids, or even 20 year olds for that matter. its part of the rules.

 

[shirlene29]

oh...and I agree with health and safety first 100%...before I get jumped

 

[ceo]

i am genuinely looking for help guys...
i am never coming off for personal reasons . i have been on juice for a couple years already .

i have run every compound possible so far and i am starting to notice that i don't even feel like i am on steroids anymore. i mean i grow pretty well but i would not say " steroid - fast" and i don't know what i need to do to keep gaining..

i have ran really high doses of tren, test, deca, you name it .. should i start hgh to get growing again? run high doses of proviron to free up my test levels? seriously im gettin

what can i do ? i want to grow like a guy should be on steroids.

I would start by getting a ton of blood work done including:

CBC, CMP, lipid panel, Cortisol, DHEA Sulfate, IGF-1, IGFBP-3, Free T3, Free T4, TSH, Testosterone, Total, Free and Weakly Bound, Hemoglobin A1C, Fasting Insulin, GGT, PSA, Prolactin, Estrogen, Estradiol and Estrone.

The results of those will determine what you should do next. Very likely you might need to detox. A liver detox would probably be a good call either way at the very least.

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Assuming that a liver detox would be all that is necessary (big assumption here for a guy that's been on for 6 years straight - but this may apply to others too), afterwards I would probably recommend some undereating and overtraining. Reduce calories to half or less and train more (depending on how much you train now) over at least a 4-6 week period. Nothing prepares the body better for growth than a brief period of starvation (controlled catabolism).

It's like BBers dieting down for a contest. They get peeled back to about 4%, then immediately after the comp they eat everything in sight, and for the next 2-3 weeks they blow up, increasing weight at a tremendous rate with very little fat gain. At some point (usually very quickly) they add in some more chemical enhancement again (though they likely never got off through the comp - but this is different) and they grow a little bit beyond where they were before.

The more you grow, the slower and harder the gains come. Adding a couple pounds a year might be the best you can hope for at this point. That is until, like UA Iron said, you go to the next step(s). That depends on if you think you have a shot at turning pro (BBer) and making a living doing this. Helluva way to make a living though. And you're talking about the top of the gene pool for size with musculature (0.0000001% - or so).

First things first though...GO GET SOME BLOOD TESTS DONE!!

 

[UA_Iron]

lol, I'm glad I was quoted so what I said is at least still there.

Continue to monitor your blood pressure as well, an ultrasound is a good idea too. Thickening of the aorta is something a lot of us who carry around too much mass have to deal with. Blood pressure will eventually pop or burst things ie aneurysms. High blood pressure coupled with hardening of arteries further increases the risk of heart problems.

 

[SicVic]

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Blood work is priority #1

 

[btwha88]

hey bro i joined this site after i stumbled across this post. im in the same boat as you i started cycling heavy doses of test for a couple of years now im 24 now and im up to 5000mgs of test e a week and not feeling anything anymore. i feel like the test dumps out of my system fast a day after the pin. i use to be able to feel the test a week after pinns now it feels like it gets metablolized way to fast. i never take tren or any orals just strictly test. and i thought burning out androgen receptors was a myth and when people say burnt out do they ever return to normal again, everything iv ever looked up says androgen recptors increase in numbers not burn out. can someone givbe me a little help explaining how that works. what gets me is when i get blood work done i have low shgb low cortisol everyting else is in normal range just high free test. im trying to figure out why im not feeling shit from 5000mgs of test a week and sometimes more. i never want to come off i dont compete i just love the shit.

 

[RickRock13]

hey bro i joined this site after i stumbled across this post. im in the same boat as you i started cycling heavy doses of test for a couple of years now im 24 now and im up to 5000mgs of test e a week and not feeling anything anymore. i feel like the test dumps out of my system fast a day after the pin. i use to be able to feel the test a week after pinns now it feels like it gets metablolized way to fast. i never take tren or any orals just strictly test. and i thought burning out androgen receptors was a myth and when people say burnt out do they ever return to normal again, everything iv ever looked up says androgen recptors increase in numbers not burn out. can someone givbe me a little help explaining how that works. what gets me is when i get blood work done i have low shgb low cortisol everyting else is in normal range just high free test. im trying to figure out why im not feeling shit from 5000mgs of test a week and sometimes more. i never want to come off i dont compete i just love the shit.

You seriously shoot 5g of test a week and feel nothing? First of all, why would you ever do that much gear? Too many people think more is better. Pros don't even use that much....and secondly, your gear has to be severely underdosed and you may not be doing the right things either with diet and training.

What are your stats?

 

[stevesmi]

hey bro i joined this site after i stumbled across this post. im in the same boat as you i started cycling heavy doses of test for a couple of years now im 24 now and im up to 5000mgs of test e a week and not feeling anything anymore. i feel like the test dumps out of my system fast a day after the pin. i use to be able to feel the test a week after pinns now it feels like it gets metablolized way to fast. i never take tren or any orals just strictly test. and i thought burning out androgen receptors was a myth and when people say burnt out do they ever return to normal again, everything iv ever looked up says androgen recptors increase in numbers not burn out. can someone givbe me a little help explaining how that works. what gets me is when i get blood work done i have low shgb low cortisol everyting else is in normal range just high free test. im trying to figure out why im not feeling shit from 5000mgs of test a week and sometimes more. i never want to come off i dont compete i just love the shit.

i thought i addressed this earlier in the thread.. there are those though that want to believe in fairytales though and refuse to listen to common sense.

as i told the other guy cycle off from a long time and clear things out.. the whole receptor thing may or may not be true. who knows.. however there is no doubt that switching AAS, cycling off.. etc etc. will keep things clicking.

oh and please don't bump threads, start your own!

 

[Thephil]

Its obvious he is not goin to come completly off so try giving him some he might listen too. Cruise for 6month at 250mg a week and start using hgh 5-10iu a day on training days and slin 5-10iu on training days. No reason u can keep growin a bit like that