Steroid FAQ’s

[superqt4u2nv]

Steroid FAQ’s

Ok so there are a lot of questions that are asked here about steroids and cycles. We all know the number one priority is diet and training as there is no magic pill that is going to melt the fat off you. If your heart is set on trying steroids without having the diet in check I can promise you the results will be limited.

Steroid side effects some or none of these can happen it is completely user dependant and how your body chemistry reacts and this is with any steroid from something as mild as anavar to something as strong as test. Virilization, thickening of your vocal cords, oil skin, acne, increased hair growth on face, hair lose, clit growth, increased cholesterol, lose of menstrual cycle or irregular menstrual cycles.

First cycles I highly recommend your first cycle is anavar it typically has the least possibility off sides a good starting does is between 2.5-10 mg every day ideally your taking it split into two does 9 hours apart. Other oral steroids that women typically use are winstrol, turnabol, furazabol again a good place to start is 2.5-10 mg a day.

Cycle length IMO this depends on what you are taking with anavar you can do longer cycles typically anything from 12-20 weeks. However stronger compounds such as winstrol I suggest only 8-12 weeks. As for time between cycles it should be equal to the length of the cycle so if you were on for 12 weeks you need to be off for 12 weeks.

Injectable steroids women should stick to fast acting injectables such as NPP if there is any side effects they can drop it and it will have completely cleared there system within 2-3 days. A good place to start with injectables that are fast acting is 10-20mg every other day.

If you are going to do something longer acting like test ethanate or deca I would suggest starting at about 20mg then raising it 5mg per week to a max of 50mg.

Women do not need PCT as they do not need there test levels to come back as fast as men do for obvious reasons. Do expect a rebound on your cycle in your strength and make sure to keep your diet just as tight post cycle or else there will be a fat robound as well.

Growth hormone ideally you should be close to or older than 30 to start taking this a good place to start is 1 iu a day taking .5 in the A.M upon waking and .5 in P.M. before bed. For women the max for growth is about 2 IU.

Clen and T3 are not a steroids but I get asked about it A LOT so I will cover it hear as well. I cannot stress enough that if you are going to take clen you must be supplementing taurine with it or you will get a nasty fat rebound.

Clen should be dosed in 20mcg increments it can be run 2 weeks on 2 weeks off but you can also run it straight through providing you take Benadryl every night to help clear the receptors the max dose for running it straight no time off is 80mcg per day. I find this also has a very anabolic affect. If you are running it two weeks on two weeks off you can go up to a max of 160mcg.

T3 is should be started at 12.5mcg and raised in 12.5 mcg doses best to ramp up slow over a week’s time example week 1 12.5 mcg week 2 25mcg etc. I would say a max of 75mcg and then you start ramping it back down.

Novladex is often used for contest prep with female bodybuilders to help with the last little bit of fat on but and thighs this dose should be 20mg per day. This will have a strong rebound and there is nothing really you can do about that so do prepare yourself to be a bit of an emotional basket case post cycle. Also any natural breast tissue you have be prepared to lose it as it eats away at estrogens fat stores.

If you have any further questions that were not covered here please feel free to ask if you are not comfortable with that you can PM myself or any of the other mods or mentors on the woman’s forum we are here to help.

 

[tmarie]

Very helpful! Thank you!

 

[needtogetaas]

can we get more from the lovely lady

 

[superqt4u2nv]

can we get more from the lovely lady

You eat healthy, and work out hard – but still your results seem to have reached a plateau, or maybe your goals have changed? So you think you are ready for an “extra push” in the gym? Or you want to step up your physique? You’ve read a little on steroids, maybe your boyfriend/husband/friend takes them and has recommended them to you? Well, before you start taking other people’s advice, start doing some research!

When the Mods and other helpful members ask for your stats, background, diet, training and try to steer you away from AAS as a first choice -- it is not that we are trying to be unhelpful nor to convince you that a cycle is for only the elite, but too often young women opt for a cycle and end up with terrible sides, lasting compromises and adding muscle over fat which produces are more stocky look. All of that can be avoided with research, asking questions, doing your homework and talking to women who care and have had experiences with it. Too many boards are filled with -- "this is what my boyfriend told me to do -- now what?" -- types of threads.

Men try to be helpful but what works for them is so far and away different than what works for us. So please, the dude at the gym that tells you Deca is great and hit yourself with 150 mgs a week ....is not telling you the whole story when it comes to a woman. Many men are helpful, at least they try to be, but so little information on AAS and women is available. Do your OWN research, ask your OWN questions. It is YOUR body, don’t trust it to someone else. Take responsibility for it.

First, steroids are MALE hormones. AAS stands for Anabolic and Androgenic Steroids. There are present in the female body but in minute amounts. When you supplement with AAS, even mild compounds, you run the risk of developing side effects. There is NO SUCH THING as a side-free compound. There are some AAS that are milder, but they all have to potential to cause unwanted side effects.

Before you think about a cycle of AAS, you need to be aware of the possible side effects that you will have to live with for the rest of your life. Most of the side effects are IRREVERSIBLE. Here is a list of possible side effects: compromised HDL/LDL levels, acne all over your body, increased blood pressure, breast shrinkage, loss of menses, water weight gain, dry scalp, oily skin, hair loss, enlarged or sensitive clitoris, increased sex drive, voice changes (starting with raspiness and going further into deepness), coarser hair, increased hair growth (everywhere), darkening of previously light/blonde body hair. Additionally, there is the possible chemical changes that can occur to your supply of ovum. There is no data as to how AAS will harm a yet to be conceived baby (i.e., birth defects). These are just a few. Some may not seem like a big deal now, but remember, you will have to live with them the rest of your life.

What WON’T AAS do?

1. It will not, after one cycle, make you the hottest thing in a bikini. It will not make you Monica Brant, Jill Mills, Lenda Murray, or any fitness model.

2. It will not burn fat. It won’t now, nor will it ever.

3. It will not lean you out, nor cut you up.

4. It will NOT TONE you -- and please remove the word "tone" from your vocabulary if you are serious about fitness.

So what WILL it do? (for most women)

1. Add a modest amount of strength.

2. Build some muscle - overall muscle size as opposed to defined muscle. It will take more than 1 or 2 or even 3 cycles before you get to your desired goal -- perhaps not even to your goal. You may never reach your goal.

3. AAS will cause a positive change to your body however unlikely to be a permanent change without follow-up cycling or incredibly stringent dieting and training. Meaning that once your cycle is over, by and large after your body releases the chemicals and cleanses itself, it will indeed bring your body back somewhat to its previous state. YOU WILL retain some muscle (called keepable gains) if you were eating well all along before, during and after your cycle and continue to do so, but the lasting hardness and loss of estrogenic fat will return. Your body composition will become more soft (this does not mean fat) after the cycle is over.

4. AAS will probably cause you to become even MORE critical of how you look and therefore be less satisfied with what you see in the mirror. It is a mind game for sure and some people (men and women) become mentally addicted to it.

AAS can be a useful tool in pushing through a muscle building plateau but only if every other avenue has been exhausted. It is by no means a quick fix or even a guarantee. For hard gainers who naturally can push more weight than most women but have a hard time putting on muscle, AAS can help.

If you cannot get your hands on one of these and therefore you decide that what you can get will be good enough….PLEASE reconsider. You cannot afford to play those games. If you cannot afford a cycle of "xyz", then put off your cycle until you can. I cannot stress this enough. Additionally, just because you do not see sides, does not mean you are NOT making progress and does not mean you need to bump your dose up. Your first cycle is a test. Be modest, be prudent. Slower is better – especially when you are talking about IRREVERSIBLE side effects. Trust me, if you don't heed this advice, you will be sorry.

In addition to affording the proper AAS for women, you need to have the time to devote the time necessary to shopping and prepping your meals (not to mention the cost involved in this as well). AAS will be useless without a clean diet and smart training program. Oh, and plenty of rest! AAS will not do the job for you – you have to WORK to get results.

First time cycle suggested compounds:

1. Anavar (often faked). Typically thought to be the mildest AAS, good for cutting. It is taken orally.
2. Primo (the most faked AAS to date). The tabs are THE most faked, the intramuscular is often faked.
3. Nandrolone Phenylpropianate (aka Durabolin BUT NOT TO BE CONFUSED with deca-durabolin). Taken intramuscularly.

In some cases:

4. Winstrol - however, this is a love it or hate it AAS. It tends to react with tons of sides for some women and none for others. While some women do well on it - it is typically not the first choice for a first cycle. It can be taken orally or intramuscularly.

5. Testosterone Propinate. Not usually a good choice for beginners, but compound is very fast acting. Can be used as first time AAS IF user is a VERY experienced lifter.

* Please see the Sticky by REALGAINS post on Injectables for Ladies for more information on individual compounds. Additionally, please ASK QUESTIONS.

DIET and TRAINING
What you think is a clean diet may indeed be one as compared to most Americans. However a clean “fitness” diet is so hard to maintain. Even the most celebrated fitness model or competitor cannot keep her bodyfat as low as she is able to at competition time...it is just not doable nor healthy for the long term. Please.....magazine shoots are done at comp time or done with much preparation. Not to mention the carb depleting and dehydration that occurs for days beforehand. Don’t forget, photo retouching, lighting and angles does wonders to hide the flaws that we all have.

For details on dieting, be prepared to post several days worth of food choices. Be honest and be ready for nit-picking critiques. There is a difference between eating “clean” and eating “healthy”. Healthy is good – but it won’t necessarily get you lean. Diets are trial and error – what works for one won’t necessarily work for another. Everyone reacts a bit differently but be honest with yourself about how your daily diet varies from these -- very often little tweaks make big pay offs in the figure.

Clean diets include lean protein sources, healthy fats, and complex carbs. It does not include processed foods. If your food has a list of ingredients as long as my arm – don’t eat it. Processed usually means high in calories, low in nutrition – plus it is harder for your body to break down and use.

Carb Choices – Oatmeal, Cream of Wheat, Yams, Red Potatoes, Brown Rice, Veggies (green), Legumes (good for protein too)

Fat Choices – Olive Oil, Flax Oil, Almonds, Egg Yolks (sparingly)

Protein Choices – Chicken, Turkey, Egg Whites, Salmon (good fat there too!), Tuna, Orange Roughy, Halibut, Lean Cuts of Beef (most seafood is pretty good….)

Other Good Foods…..Cottage Cheese, Protein Powders, Low Carb Tortillas, spices, cinnamon, Splenda, No Sugar Jello (yum!), most Nuts, Protein Bars (very sparingly), Bran, Natty Peanut Butter

I am sure I did not list all good foods – these are just some choices. If you have a question about a food –ask!

Now -- back to overall muscle vs. defined muscle. Overall muscle is muscle you gain during a cycle. Defined muscle is that same muscle AFTER you diet down (cutting). It is very rare for a male (doable but rare) to be able to bulk and lose bodyfat at the same time....which of course, makes it that much harder for a woman to achieve both successfully.

In order to build/add muscle (whether using AAS or NOT) is being able to EAT to build/add muscle. This is called bulking. Usually, one will need to eat for mass so as not to cheat your body from the necessary nutrients for effective and successful muscle building. Cardio done too often and too strenuously while trying to build robs the energy your body needs for muscle building and repair. This is why building muscle often comes with the addition of bodyfat. It is possible, if eating clean, to add minimal bodyfat – but near impossible to add muscle without adding ANY bodyfat.

In order to get that muscle to show, you will need to diet down, also called cutting. This requires a calorie deficit to help lose fat while making sure not to sacrifice too many protein calories (so you can keep more muscle). Most often, along with fat, you will lose some muscle. This is due to the calorie deficit. Cutting is the stage where eating clean is most important. It is near impossible to cut without eating clean. Diet will be the number 1 factor in cutting. Not cardio, not drugs. DIET. Now there is some success with dieting down and taking AAS to help preserve that muscle however it works for some women but not all...and even so, you still need diet to lose fat -- there is NO MAGIC PILL.

And let me add in addition to dieting, cardio is the only other tool for fat loss. Not easy cardio .... but sweat breaking, chest heaving, side-stitch, "I think am going to die" types of cardio in shorter bursts. Long easy cardio is great for cardiovascular health but not all that effective at burning fat and not muscle. Sprints or intervals (HIIT) are great explosive bouts of cardio to help burn off fat and not disturb too much muscle mass. The more steady-state long distance cardio you do, the more likely you are to burn muscle. A reduction in muscle will cause a reduction in metabolism. HIIT preserves muscle mass while burning fat.

Do I even need to mention how important lifting weights is? Lifting – heavy and hard – is essential. Don’t mess around with high reps of the pink dumbbells – that will get you nowhere. Lift heavy, using compound exercises. Give your body time to recover – that is when muscle is built. Don’t be afraid of getting bulky. Bulk is built through diet. While we are all put together differently, muscle is ALWAYS smaller than fat – on everyone.

What you consider a good cardio, good training or good diet may be that way as compared to others you see. However for the body you want that stands out, many sacrifices need to be made BEFORE you even consider a cycle of anabolic steriods. I said BEFORE!

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Occassionally we get guys or ladies on here who want to use AAS (for the ladies) specifically for sex drive and having nothing to do with the "sports-use" of AAS. It scares the shit out of me when women take something because a guy says "it works for me" or "try this" and they have no friggen clue what it is or what it can do (or not do) that is what they are looking for (or not looking for). Particularly in the case of using AAS as a sex enhancer, there's no information about whether or not the girl even understands what a steroid is and most likely won't have any understanding of the discipline that goes into using, regarding keeping your diet healthy, not drinking or doing other things that will further stress the organs that have to process this foreign stuff or deal w/ the hormone-driven results.

READ ON...

(http://www.hisandherhealth.com/artic...exuality.shtml)

Male Hormones (Androgens) and Female Sexuality --A Look at Pharmacology

Female sexuality is much more complicated than male sexuality with multiple factors concerning desire, including such disparate items as level of education, past sexual experiences, sexual expectations, cultural and religious beliefs, availability of a partner and of course, the individual’s hormonal status.
Many hormones may influence female sexuality, including estrogens (female hormones), oxytocin, progesterone, androgens and all their metabolites. Estrogen deficiency is most commonly seen in the peri-menopausal and postmenopausal women and include vasomotor symptoms including hot flashes, night sweets, urogenital atrophy and often a diminution in sexual desire.

In addition, there is frequently a decrease in a feeling of well being, atrophy of the vagina, anxiety, emotional instability, depression, decline in short term memory and concentration, myalgia, arthralgia, an aversion to be touched and in general these also can lead to a decrease in sexual desire. Estrogen replacement will alleviate most of these vasomotor symptoms, including vaginal atrophy, but desire and restoration of female libido may not always occur in the estrogen treated peri-menopausal and postmenopausal women.

This has lead to the theory that in postmenopausal women where desire is not elevated by estrogen replacement there may be an androgen deficiency. On the other hand, if we are to treat women with androgens in a safe and effective manner, doctors must weigh the risks.

The ability of laboratory techniques to define hypoandrogenism in women is hampered by the inability of the laboratory test themselves to measure testosterone levels of the lower end of the normal female reproductive range.

On the other hand, there is an entity in postmenopausal women treated adequately with estrogen therapy that not only includes low sexual libidos but decrease sexual motivation, fatigue, lack of well being and probability low levels of bioavailable free testosterone.

Before a doctor treats women with androgen replacement therapy adequate estrogen therapy must be instituted and consideration for mental health counseling or referral to a sex therapist should be made. This androgen deficiency syndrome, however, is accepted for women who have had bilateral ovariectomy or in younger women who have suffered primary or secondary ovarian failure associated with low libido and low blood androgen levels.

What causes low levels of male hormones in women. The ovaries produce androstenedione, testosterone and dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA). The adrenals produce androstenedione and dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEA-S). The DHEA-S can be further metabolized to testosterone or estrogens. In addition the testosterone through the enzyme of 5-alpha reductants converts the serum testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) or estradiol (E2) these are the active hormones that work within the cells.

Age in general leads to a drop in androgen levels in women and is due to the age-related drop in adrenal production of androgen and the loss of the mid-cycle surge in ovarian testosterone. Removal of the ovaries results in a reduction of 50 percent in testosterone and androstenedione. Chemical oophorectomy including chemotherapy, use of GNRH hormone inhibitors, radiation therapy, glucocorticoids and the administration of exogenous estrogens are other causes for diminution in androgens. Oral postmenopausal estrogen therapy and oral contraceptives will suppress free testosterone by increasing serum hormone binding globulins (SHBG) and suppressing pituitary luteinizing hormone (LH).

Steroids by mouth suppress pituitary secretions of adrenal corticotropic hormone and therefore adrenal androgen production as well. This probably explains the bone loss frequency in patients who are taking long-term steroids. Lastly, hypothalamic amenorrhea and hypoproaccelerinemia are usually associated with low testosterone and many women with premature ovarian failure have low testosterone levels. Therefore, the use of oral contraceptives in older women or women with amenorrhea or premature ovarian failure may actually worsen their androgen deficiency.

How testosterone therapy affects female sexuality is not well understood although it is a clinically known factor. The male hormones may work directly on androgen receptors or may be a precursor for additional estrogen production in tissue such as fat, bone, brain, blood vessels or possibly by lowering serum hormone binding globulins (SHBG) and therefore causing an increase in the levels of bioactive steroids such as androgen. Probably the mechanism is all of the above.

There is no doubt that the administration of testosterone to older women with sexual desire problems improves the intensity of sexual desire, arousal, frequency of sexual fantasies, satisfaction, pleasure and relevancy and importance of sex to daily life. And therefore, postmenopausal women who are probably treated with estrogen therapy should be offered androgen replacement to improve this symptom complex.

A more difficult question deals with the pre-menopausal women who complains of decreased sexual drive and libido and who have low bioavailable testosterone. Studies have not been done; each case should be individualized especially in those individuals in which other factors do not appear to play a role in desire and where the psychosocial and sexual history indicates hormonal problem as being the basic ideology of their libido decrease.

The administration of testosterone has been formulated and fairly much determined for men but androgen replacement therapy in women has no true guidelines and in the United States there are no drug indications for the use of androgens in women. Oral methylated testosterone is available in the United States and should be administered in combination with esterified estrogens (E.E.) 1.25 milligrams of methyltestosterone with 0.625 milligrams of E.E. or 2.5 milligrams of methyltestosterone with 1.25 milligrams of E.E. Patients obviously have to be warned about androgen side affects including increase in high density lipoproteins, cholesterol and low density lipoproteins, adverse liver affects including chemical hepatitis and possibly a higher incidence of liver cancer. More commonly, however, testosterone will lead to masculinizing tendencies which should be monitored by the patient and her physician should be informed if such occurs.

Oral testosterone undecenoate has not been studied in women and doses as low as 20 milligrams appear to cause undesirable side effects and therefore is not recommended at this time.

Subcutaneous implants of testosterone is not available in the United States at this time, but has been in Australia and the United Kingdom for many years and has found to be quite effective for up to six months. Doses of 50 to 100 milligrams appeared to affectively raise the levels of testosterone for up to six months to adequate levels to treat sexual desire problems. In the United States compounding pharmacists are able to manufacture a subcutaneous testosterone pellet which could easily be implanted by your physician.

Injectable depo-testosterone in the form of testosterone esters appears to be the safest and most commonly tried form of androgen replacement in women in the United States. The most common administration is 50 to 100 milligrams administered every four to six weeks intramuscular. However, many physicians use 20 milligrams every three weeks. Masculinization with increased acne and occasional clitoral myoglia may occur with this therapy.

Recently transdermotestosterone patches have been manufactured and approved for use by men and newer technology is developing androgen replacement patches for women. Patches that increase testosterone levels greater than 25 nanograms per DL appear to produce significant masculinization and side affects that they should not be used.

Transdermotesosterone as a cream or a jell or testosterone using a transvaginal testosterone impregnated cream is available in the United States by specific prescriptions or through compounding pharmacists.

Contraindications to testosterone treatment include: acne, hirsutism, alopecia, and circumstances in which enhancing libido would be undesirable. Absolute contraindications include pregnancy and lactation as well as known or suspected androgen dependent neoplasia. Side effects from excessive testosterone include virilization, fluid retention and an adverse lipoprotein profile which more likely occur with the oral administration of the drug. Afenteral administration raising levels of testosterone to within physiologic ranges does not appear to have any undesirable metabolic effects. It is not known whether additional androgen will affect breast cancer since more than 50 percent of breast cancers have androgen receptors and these are associated with a longer survival in women.

In conclusion, androgen deficiency in women causing various symptoms including poor sexual desire is an entity that exists both in the menopausal and probably pre-menopausal female. In the peri or postmenopausal female the patient should be adequately treated with estrogen therapy before using androgen replacement. And the pre-menopausal woman who appears to have low bioactive levels of testosterone, androgen replacement should be used with closer monitoring.

 

[silverlining]

Hi thanks for the info but I'm still struggling to find out which AAS to try-I did compete last year and am a hard gainer-I am 5 ft 6 and now in off season 135-been eating protein protein protein and good carbs-lifting my ass off as heavy as I can and I continue to get told oh well your just a hard gainer-help!! I'm ready to take it up a notch and get some freaking muscle! I lift chest/tri monday- wed back bi-fri legs sat shoulders cardio every day but sunday-bootcamp style work outs also-thanks

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Hi thanks for the info but I'm still struggling to find out which AAS to try-I did compete last year and am a hard gainer-I am 5 ft 6 and now in off season 135-been eating protein protein protein and good carbs-lifting my ass off as heavy as I can and I continue to get told oh well your just a hard gainer-help!! I'm ready to take it up a notch and get some freaking muscle! I lift chest/tri monday- wed back bi-fri legs sat shoulders cardio every day but sunday-bootcamp style work outs also-thanks

The best first cycle is always anavar a little does a whole lot with minimal to no sides. 5 mg split up 2.5 mg about 8-10 hours apart for 12-20 weeks will yeild great gains with a tight diet and heavy lifting. Make sure you have you calories high enought start at 15x body weight and increase it if needed. Time carbs around your workouts and depending when you train try to avoiced them after 6 p.m this way your gains should be fairly lean.

 

[girlboxer]

Superqt4u2nv,

I am new to this board, just signed up yesterday. About me:

43 yrs old
5'6 - 125 lbs (just recently lost 15 lbs)

Have always been active but have gotten pretty serious the last year with weight training (not body builder serious)

Training schedule is one body part a day so I train 5 days a week (I add abs to each workout) I have tried many different varieties of splits and this works best for me. I do 30 min cardio on each training day and also walk my dog everyday for at least 1 hr 20 min.

I eat clean (all the foods you list and some you didn't) 98% of the time. My only down fall has been that every other weekend of having beers with friends and I have just recently cut that out. I am sure I could still tweak my diet a bit but for the most part I think it's okay.

Issue: I just want a little edge, and have been told to take the var @ 5-10 mg as you state in your posts, so now that I have read/been told that more than a few times, I feel pretty okay with it but am still terrified. I have always been extremely healthy and know that once I put that in my body, I can't take it back. I keep going back and forth and it's driving me crazy!

What is your advice? If you need more info let me know. Thanks GB

 

[RottenWillow]

Superqt4u2nv,

I am new to this board, just signed up yesterday. About me:

43 yrs old
5'6 - 125 lbs (just recently lost 15 lbs)

Have always been active but have gotten pretty serious the last year with weight training (not body builder serious)

Training schedule is one body part a day so I train 5 days a week (I add abs to each workout) I have tried many different varieties of splits and this works best for me. I do 30 min cardio on each training day and also walk my dog everyday for at least 1 hr 20 min.

I eat clean (all the foods you list and some you didn't) 98% of the time. My only down fall has been that every other weekend of having beers with friends and I have just recently cut that out. I am sure I could still tweak my diet a bit but for the most part I think it's okay.

Issue: I just want a little edge, and have been told to take the var @ 5-10 mg as you state in your posts, so now that I have read/been told that more than a few times, I feel pretty okay with it but am still terrified. I have always been extremely healthy and know that once I put that in my body, I can't take it back. I keep going back and forth and it's driving me crazy!

What is your advice? If you need more info let me know. Thanks GB

Then you absolutely should not considering taking anabolic steroids, GB. There are potential side effects, and no one can tell you exactly what ones and to what degree you may experience them if you use an anabolic steroid.

A person who uses an AAS must be fully ready to accept any and all side effects which may occur. IMO any woman who runs an AAS long enough, and in great enough dosages, to actually build muscle at an accelerated rate and/or in greater amounts than what would be naturally possible for her, will experience some side effects. I have. My voice is deeper than it was before I used AAS, and I have a slight bit of extra body hair.

 

[girlboxer]

Then you absolutely should not considering taking anabolic steroids, GB. There are potential side effects, and no one can tell you exactly what ones and to what degree you may experience them if you use an anabolic steroid.

A person who uses an AAS must be fully ready to accept any and all side effects which may occur. IMO any woman who runs an AAS long enough, and in great enough dosages, to actually build muscle at an accelerated rate and/or in greater amounts than what would be naturally possible for her, will experience some side effects. I have. My voice is deeper than it was before I used AAS, and I have a slight bit of extra body hair.

Thank you, but say I stick with only the var and never go past the 10 mg mark cycling on and off? Would it not be worth it then. I have been told that you get most gains first cycle (obviously I don't know if that's true or not)