--staying on for 6 months, how much danger?

[Exosist]

hello all, please advise. (I understand this is all just role play and nothing we say should be taken seriously.)

here are my stats
Age 23
196 LBS
13 % BF

lifting for about 4 years.

have used AAS in the past only been on 8-12 week cycles.

currently running test prop primo and just added EQ

I am in my 4th month and went from pop 100 EOD to 100mg per day.
now running 600mg EQ per week.

my plan is to stay on for another 10 weeks and then start PCT.

Can I hurt myself for staying on for 6 months?? kids in the future....
what are the dangers of this??

please tell me as much info as you can.....

thanks for role playing in my thread...

 

[AMGETR]

Sounds fine. Run hcg every 5 days at 500i.u per time.

 

[Gman1]

thats why i dont ever stay on past 12, im so paranoid bout not having kids, but honestly im younger than you, so... i should worry a little more, ill just say its not good to be on that long if you are worried bout not having kids, you should DEFINATLY get some hcg if you wanna keep your boys from atrophy, but also your not really running 2grams of anything not even 1.5grams, so ill say it could be worse, but its still not good if your goals are to def have kids, i think youll still be able too, but dude prop in a study i heard of made guys practically sterile for up to 6mo from what i heard so i would say from that your on for 6mo, try to be off for six months at least, if you wanna still do something try hgh,slin, or IGF-1, all those wont mess w/ your manhood, so run it by you again, get some hcg NOW, use it for a week or 2, stimulate natural test, and in 10 weeks, have a good pct, w/nolva clomid for 4weeks, but seriously dont freak to much, its not good to go that long if your worried bout it, but primo is so tame and eq isnt that harsh, the only thing would b tht prop but you werent taking grams a week of it, hope that help, gluck

 

[Exosist]

thanks

need more input now I am paranoid

 

[maldorf]

thanks

need more input now I am paranoid

No need to be. I myself have fathered 2 kids while on heavy cycles, and have seen many others post similar experiences. This was doing cycles no longer than 16 weeks though, I cannot speak for staying on a year. Both times my wife got pregnant within the first month of trying, and we didnt even have sex any more than usual. I really think that side effect is blown way out of proportion, just like many of the others are.

From a health standpoint I would never consider staying on for a year straight.

 

[Slyder190]

I say the risk is too great. Although when I'm older, I may just stay on so I don't wilt away, in my older years that is. Yeah, as of right now, I plan on it.

 

[steelmass]

How are ED/EOD sticks for 4 months straight... shit man...

 

[Exosist]

once again

 

[Exosist]

How are ED/EOD sticks for 4 months straight... shit man...

spot injections man, booboos everywhere

 

[satchboogie]

the longer you stay on, the higher the risk of developing irreversible sides.

but IMO, 6 months on eq/primo shouldnt be anything to worry about.
just make sure you run a good PCT plan.

 

[BigCracker]

I've taken at least the same amount that you're taking, sometimes 3-4x that amount for about 15-16 yrs now, and I'm still alive. I do avoid orals, but still use them 6-8 weeks at a time now and then. My diet has always been pretty clean, but I eat junk food maybe once or twice a week. I still have more hair than most guys my age have, but over the past year or two it's starting to thin a little on top. My cock still works fine, but not as good as it did 10 yrs ago-which I expect would be the case with or without AS? I know quite a few guys that have taken way more stuff than me over the years that had kids while juicing hard, but I imagine everyone's body reacts differently to long term use. So unless I'm about to drop dead any minute from a heart attack or stroke, my guess is that you'll be fine.

 

[Exosist]

the longer you stay on, the higher the risk of developing irreversible sides.

but IMO, 6 months on eq/primo shouldnt be anything to worry about.
just make sure you run a good PCT plan.

Satchboogie Bay, neja san?

I hear what your saying about the Primo and EQ, what about the test prop??

I've taken at least the same amount that you're taking, sometimes 3-4x that amount for about 15-16 yrs now, and I'm still alive. I do avoid orals, but still use them 6-8 weeks at a time now and then. My diet has always been pretty clean, but I eat junk food maybe once or twice a week. I still have more hair than most guys my age have, but over the past year or two it's starting to thin a little on top. My cock still works fine, but not as good as it did 10 yrs ago-which I expect would be the case with or without AS? I know quite a few guys that have taken way more stuff than me over the years that had kids while juicing hard, but I imagine everyone's body reacts differently to long term use. So unless I'm about to drop dead any minute from a heart attack or stroke, my guess is that you'll be fine.

16 years is a long time. As long as your healthy, G-d Bless ya.

 

[bigtravis]

just plain and simple bro. you too young to be on for that amount of time. heck, it wasn't till i was about 27 or 28 when i tryed one that long. atleast try 6 weeks on and off, or 8 on 8 off. be safe.

 

[muscleup]

6 months aint shit.......Just make sure you get the correct labs done and watch your blood pressure.

 

[bigtravis]

6 months aint shit.......Just make sure you get the correct labs done and watch your blood pressure.

you know. you're right. fuck it, bro. hell go on ahead and up the doses to1200mg./wk e.q., 150mg prop/ed, and a 1000mg primo. ew. and also by the way go ahead and skip the doctor. when it comes time to get checked out, hell just click on here we'll check you out.

 

[muscleup]

well if you would have read my post.....I said GET LABS DONE.....Which means GO TO THE DOCTOR.

Anyone can cycle 6 months and be fine as long as a safe protocol is followed.

you know. you're right. fuck it, bro. hell go on ahead and up the doses to1200mg./wk e.q., 150mg prop/ed, and a 1000mg primo. ew. and also by the way go ahead and skip the doctor. when it comes time to get checked out, hell just click on here we'll check you out.

 

[bigdho]

well if you would have read my post.....I said GET LABS DONE.....Which means GO TO THE DOCTOR.

Anyone can cycle 6 months and be fine as long as a safe protocol is followed.

Your right bro. As long as you get blood work done every so often and run hcg your fine. How do you think guys like needsize ulter me phil hernon DC jay cutler ron colman ext cycle? Do you really think they come off??? Ive personally talked with DC and am currently being trained by Phil Hernon and they all cycle the same way.

 

[bigtravis]

i don't care if he did go to the doctor for frequent checkups. telling a 23 year old that 6 months ain't shit isn't too professional in my book. he could say well shit sense 6 months ain't jack then why not more. yes, you can go longer than 6 months but, imo, if he's having to come on here and ask that question then no i don't think he should at this point. myself right now am running a 3500mg/week cycle for 20weeks. but but i have everything at my fingertips as far as med. help and supervision. it took me a very long time to be able to preform the types of runs that i do. and i sure didn't know it when i was 23. and by the way are we telling a young man to do what coleman and cutler do? well now thats brilliant.

 

[muscleup]

well I agree with the age thing......Imo there is no need to touch anything until your older than 27.

But regardless of that, 6 month cycles are very safe if done correctly.

i don't care if he did go to the doctor for frequent checkups. telling a 23 year old that 6 months ain't shit isn't too professional in my book. he could say well shit sense 6 months ain't jack then why not more. yes, you can go longer than 6 months but, imo, if he's having to come on here and ask that question then no i don't think he should at this point. myself right now am running a 3500mg/week cycle for 20weeks. but but i have everything at my fingertips as far as med. help and supervision. it took me a very long time to be able to preform the types of runs that i do. and i sure didn't know it when i was 23. and by the way are we telling a young man to do what coleman and cutler do? well now thats brilliant.

 

[Exosist]

please advise as to what blood work I need to get done.

I rather play safe then sorry.

 

[bigdho]

i don't care if he did go to the doctor for frequent checkups. telling a 23 year old that 6 months ain't shit isn't too professional in my book. he could say well shit sense 6 months ain't jack then why not more. yes, you can go longer than 6 months but, imo, if he's having to come on here and ask that question then no i don't think he should at this point. myself right now am running a 3500mg/week cycle for 20weeks. but but i have everything at my fingertips as far as med. help and supervision. it took me a very long time to be able to preform the types of runs that i do. and i sure didn't know it when i was 23. and by the way are we telling a young man to do what coleman and cutler do? well now thats brilliant.

Ill give you that. I guess it comes down to personal goals and risks your willing to take. You only have so much time in this sport till your body says FU. Im just telling him the same thing that was told to me. Im 27 and that is how I was told to cycle by a BBer who competed in the olympia. One of the other things Phil said when cycling like that is to not go over 1500mg EW and once you platue on what your useing you cut the dose in half and cruz for a couple of weeks then you ramp back up useing completly different gear all the while running HCG at 500iu 2xs a week and get blood work done every four months. So you can see if you follow the plan correctly its not a big deal. In fact one could argue that jacking 3500mg of AAS for 5 months (if you asked most bbers they would tell you that is way to much)then comming off would be harder on your body then running 1500mg all the way through

 

[bigtravis]

Ill give you that. I guess it comes down to personal goals and risks your willing to take. You only have so much time in this sport till your body says FU. Im just telling him the same thing that was told to me. Im 27 and that is how I was told to cycle by a BBer who competed in the olympia. One of the other things Phil said when cycling like that is to not go over 1500mg EW and once you platue on what your useing you cut the dose in half and cruz for a couple of weeks then you ramp back up useing completly different gear all the while running HCG at 500iu 2xs a week and get blood work done every four months. So you can see if you follow the plan correctly its not a big deal. In fact one could argue that jacking 3500mg of AAS for 5 months (if you asked most bbers they would tell you that is way to much)then comming off would be harder on your body then running 1500mg all the way through

thats why i use alot of short lifed compounds such as npp, prop, and tren. along with orals. the only long ones are sust. and cyp. so when i do platue it's like a tremendous shock to my system when i drop for a few weeks but the sust. is still in there. this happened last year and it worked great. yeah, most would say that it's way too much but would they tell you the absolute truth as to what they do?

 

[bigdho]

LOL, thats no shit. It seems you never get a straight answer from most. I can see you have thought your cycle out well. I guess its just which way you prefer and what goals you have and risks you want to take. But back to the topic Id say the boy should come off and run proper PCT since he hasnt prepared to be on all the time take a good 4-5 months off and decide at that point where to go from there.

 

[bigtravis]

i still say do the 6-6 or 8-8 fornow. or at best do a 12 weeker and do a 5 week pct then go back at it again.

 

[Gman1]

a friend of mine whos 21 now, said he started at 15, and he was like always on tren and basically anything else he could get his hands on, not saying that was good, if anything that was reallly badddd for him, but he still managed to knock his old lady up when he turned 20...aaaaaaaa how cute, BTW, most kids turn out to be male when your on... just something to keep in mind. hahahha

 

[gymratforlife]

I am about to turn 29 next month and have been cycling on/off for 3 years now since I came back to the gym after a 9 year layoff.I can tell you that I hit a good 3g per week dose for about 5 weeks and that was enough to make a shitload of hair fall off my head and I never had a single hair fall off at around 1.5g of gear a week.The point about not going above 1.5g seems like a very good guideline to follow.I know I will never go above 1500mg per week again and actually stay on 500mg of test for most of the year from now on.Everyone is different so what works for me might not work for others,this is just what I feel is safe and sane for me to grow on and be healthy.I also run HCG through the cycle randomly.

 

[Ozz2001]

i still say do the 6-6 or 8-8 fornow. or at best do a 12 weeker and do a 5 week pct then go back at it again.

Now that quote makes more sence to me....12 weeks 5 off...

After 12 weeks i didnt see much more gain anyways so why keep spending more money for? So my question is if your on for 6 months that means what?
You have to keep raising your dose up higher and higher correct? or keep changing up gear to see gains? Do i stand correct on this theory?

Also whats the sence in running 500 of test for a hole year for? Wouldnt that be like drinking beer? After awhile your taking it in but its doing nothing for you?

 

[1392477]

Your too young to f&*K up your body and suffer the consequenses the rest of your life. Be smart - everything in moderation, especially if you don't know how your body will react. Growth comes from rest and your body is gonna need plenty of rest on a cycle that long.

Break it up and give your body a break in between. Be patient and you will get the results you want in due time.

 

[Ulter]

There are an awful lot of people on this thread who don't know what they're talking about. I wish people would post based on medical literature and not what they heard at the gym.

Staying on will have no affect on your ability to have children. It will have no long or short term affect on your health. It will not increase your side effects. So to sum it up there is no reason to not go to six months. You'll be fine.

 

[gymratforlife]

There are an awful lot of people on this thread who don't know what they're talking about. I wish people would post based on medical literature and not what they heard at the gym.

Staying on will have no affect on your ability to have children. It will have no long or short term affect on your health. It will not increase your side effects. So to sum it up there is no reason to not go to six months. You'll be fine.

Thank you sooooo much for a correct quote.Also all your doing by cycling and going off then cycling again is putting your body through a yoyo effect flooding it with hormones then shutting it down and turning on your natural hormone production again,too much of a rolercoaster to your body.At this point I can still make small and steady gains on 500mg test per week year round.Ive been on for over 7 months and I am getting some of my best gains in the cycle now that I switched gears.If I am still making great gains why am I going to stop?Stop for what to do pct and lose a bunch of my gains and feel like shit when I can keep getting leaner and bigger steadily?

 

[bigdho]

There are an awful lot of people on this thread who don't know what they're talking about. I wish people would post based on medical literature and not what they heard at the gym.

Staying on will have no affect on your ability to have children. It will have no long or short term affect on your health. It will not increase your side effects. So to sum it up there is no reason to not go to six months. You'll be fine.

AMEN BROTHER!!!! Thats what Ive been tryin to say.

 

[Exosist]

There are an awful lot of people on this thread who don't know what they're talking about. I wish people would post based on medical literature and not what they heard at the gym.

Staying on will have no affect on your ability to have children. It will have no long or short term affect on your health. It will not increase your side effects. So to sum it up there is no reason to not go to six months. You'll be fine.

interesting how many different opinions I am hearing.

You are answering from a medical point of view...... Is this correct?

 

[gymratforlife]

AMEN BROTHER!!!! Thats what Ive been tryin to say.

 

[bigdho]

Id listen to him over anyone else so far bro and yes he is.

 

[Exosist]

good deal.

when the wise speak I listen.

 

[gymratforlife]

Id listen to him over anyone else so far bro and yes he is.

Him or Radar are the wisest and most knoleageble on these kind of questions really nice to have these guys on board to share the wealth of knowledge.

 

[bigtravis]

Him or Radar are the wisest and most knoleageble on these kind of questions really nice to have these guys on board to share the wealth of knowledge.

then i'll leave it up to them to give smart advise. i'm done posting thread's on this forum for a while. ulter is right, there is alot of people on here that do not know what they are talking about.

 

[needsize]

There are an awful lot of people on this thread who don't know what they're talking about. I wish people would post based on medical literature and not what they heard at the gym.

Staying on will have no affect on your ability to have children. It will have no long or short term affect on your health. It will not increase your side effects. So to sum it up there is no reason to not go to six months. You'll be fine.

ulter is answering from the point of view of someone who has tons of experience staying on for very long periods

 

[IRONBULL05]

Hey travis ,calm down bro.No one told him to up the doses and stay on forever.He asked about a 6 month cycle.Yes if done correctly,a 6 month cycle is safe.Getting checked out by a doctor while on was recommended.Shit man,you sound like all the media ,and gov't people screaming AAS kill!!! 23 is young to start AAS,but he's already started,so lets help him out with the right info,not just "Your too young kid"
Good advice MU!!
Hope this helped exosist.
Good luck bro.

 

[hammercurls]

seems like a mixed basket when it comes to these facts?

 

[OlyFit]

interesting how many different opinions I am hearing.

You are answering from a medical point of view...... Is this correct?

Long time user and a long time since i have frequented a board. My 2 cents is eveyone is disposed to diferent sides. Not having kids is rarely an issue, yes over time you will lower your sperm count drastically but this will return to normal with time after you stop using. Other health issues should be of more concern. I saw an eamil recommending getting your blood checked, good idea especially when using orals, and really a good habit to have done once a year.

Tests:
Liver panel
LDL/HDL panel (Cholesterol Panel)
make sure the do a complete blood panel (red blood cell count, thickness)

Good Luck

 

[bigtravis]

Hey travis ,calm down bro.No one told him to up the doses and stay on forever.He asked about a 6 month cycle.Yes if done correctly,a 6 month cycle is safe.Getting checked out by a doctor while on was recommended.Shit man,you sound like all the media ,and gov't people screaming AAS kill!!! 23 is young to start AAS,but he's already started,so lets help him out with the right info,not just "Your too young kid"
Good advice MU!!
Hope this helped exosist.
Good luck bro.

i was trying to help him out. but what kills me is that i realize that we got alot of dumbass people responding to give advise but not from experience but from taking stuff from columns they've read. but asfar as me sounding like the media. that couldn't be further from the truth. but if it were thin i guess i'm the biggest fuckin hypocrite on the face of the earth. aparently you have not read some of the posts on the cycles that i run throughout the year and for what duration. so lets see now if he were to say that he was thinking on killing himself. would you say it would be o.k. to tell him the best way to do it. and i did post more than just saying "your too young" on this.

 

[Exosist]

Long time user and a long time since i have frequented a board. My 2 cents is eveyone is disposed to diferent sides. Not having kids is rarely an issue, yes over time you will lower your sperm count drastically but this will return to normal with time after you stop using. Other health issues should be of more concern. I saw an eamil recommending getting your blood checked, good idea especially when using orals, and really a good habit to have done once a year.

Tests:
Liver panel
LDL/HDL panel (Cholesterol Panel)
make sure the do a complete blood panel (red blood cell count, thickness)

Good Luck

thank you, I was wondering what test I need.

 

[gymratforlife]

then i'll leave it up to them to give smart advise. i'm done posting thread's on this forum for a while. ulter is right, there is alot of people on here that do not know what they are talking about.

LoL no one is saying that is good for a 21 year old Kid to stay on for a year or that you dont give good advice bro calm down.I am just saying from my own personal experiences that I have had much better results staying on for a period of over 4 months than when I have done small cycles.As far as these guys giving the best advice well they are a lot older than most on this board and not only older but know what they are doing obviously by their physical achievements over the years so yes they do give excellent advice.Dont take my posts the wrong way were all here to learn and every1 has the right to their opinions.Me personally I think 3500mg of gear is a waste but I am not going to go knocking on the next guy for doing it.

 

[bigtravis]

o.k. i'm settimg the record straight. to all who don't know. i've been using gear for just over 18 years now. my advise isn't coming mostly from books. it's from experience. no, i'm not some little 175 pounder giving advise on here. right now i'm 264lbs. 5-11" 11% bf 36yrs old. first learned about the stuff from ray mentzer when i worked for him at future fitness in redondo bch. now, if i had known then what i know now. i wouldn't have started that young. he even told me so. but i did it anyway. now i believe that i would have made better gains than i did if i had waited a little longer on what i was doing.

 

[gymratforlife]

o.k. i'm settimg the record straight. to all who don't know. i've been using gear for just over 18 years now. my advise isn't coming mostly from books. it's from experience. no, i'm not some little 175 pounder giving advise on here. right now i'm 264lbs. 5-11" 11% bf 36yrs old. first learned about the stuff from ray mentzer when i worked for him at future fitness in redondo bch. now, if i had known then what i know now. i wouldn't have started that young. he even told me so. but i did it anyway. now i believe that i would have made better gains than i did if i had waited a little longer on what i was doing.

lol to set the record straight I am not 175.I am 180 at 9% bf and did this in 3 years from 246 lbs and probably around 40% bf.Yes I have messed around juice since 94 when I was 18 years old I ran about 3-4 cycles then went off to the military and never touched another weight for a good 7 years and came back to the gym a fat out of shape slob and built this temple in less than 3 years.Obviously I have a little bit of knowledge and experience around this crap.Could I be a lot bigger,definetly.Do I want to be?At this point I dont so I dont do big cycles.So if you were pointing that canon at me with the 175 coment look before you point bud.

 

[gymratforlife]

5'11 and 264 with 11% bf is IFBB pro size.I would love to see some pictures btw.

 

[bigtravis]

5'11 and 264 with 11% bf is IFBB pro size.I would love to see some pictures btw.

first off i wasn't pointing it at you and i would love to put pics and i will when i get home in a month. trust me i'll remember. it'll be better than right now.

 

[shockNawe]

I've never done a cycle that long but I have a buddy of mine who does 6 month cycles and loves it. He takes Deca and Test Suspension (not sure of the exact amounts). Deca dick is a definate with a cycle that long and it takes him a while to bounce back from it. God only knows what it does to his liver though, thats the primary reason I don't stay on that long. Milk thistle only does so much. It's a risk that can be beneficial or detremental in my opinion. Goodluck tho and keep us posted I'm interested to see how it works out!

 

[Exosist]

I want to thank once again, everyones input on my thread.

 

[gymratforlife]

I've never done a cycle that long but I have a buddy of mine who does 6 month cycles and loves it. He takes Deca and Test Suspension (not sure of the exact amounts). Deca dick is a definate with a cycle that long and it takes him a while to bounce back from it. God only knows what it does to his liver though, thats the primary reason I don't stay on that long. Milk thistle only does so much. It's a risk that can be beneficial or detremental in my opinion. Goodluck tho and keep us posted I'm interested to see how it works out!

Liver problems are not a big issue on Deca,I have never heard of a single person having elevated liver values from injectables.

 

[Exosist]

Liver problems are not a big issue on Deca,I have never heard of a single person having elevated liver values from injectables.

would you advise with using these so called "liver protectors" even while only using injectables?

 

[needsize]

liver problems tend to be very overrated
I've been on for 11 out of the last 12 months, and during that month I still ran 20mg of var. The year before that, similar story. I love high dose orals, either 80mg a day of dbol, or 150mg of anadrol. I've been on winny for over 10 weeks this run, and just had my blood tested, and everything is in the normal range

 

[Dial_tone]

I'd rather be safe than sorry and take something; it's cheap protection.

 

[gymratforlife]

I'd rather be safe than sorry and take something; it's cheap protection.

This is true and so is the above post,definetly overrated.

 

[IRONBULL05]

i was trying to help him out. but what kills me is that i realize that we got alot of dumbass people responding to give advise but not from experience but from taking stuff from columns they've read. but asfar as me sounding like the media. that couldn't be further from the truth. but if it were thin i guess i'm the biggest fuckin hypocrite on the face of the earth. aparently you have not read some of the posts on the cycles that i run throughout the year and for what duration. so lets see now if he were to say that he was thinking on killing himself. would you say it would be o.k. to tell him the best way to do it. and i did post more than just saying "your too young" on this.

So what your saying is, him running a 6 month cycle is compareable to him killing himself? Are you feeling ok?I'm not saying i'm the foremost expert on AAS use,nor would I ever.I talk from my experience only.Apparently you are the expert on the subject and we should just bow down to your knowledge.Bro,look he's already done cycles before,so the choice has already been made.I think now guiding him with proper info is the best bet now!I would never tell him to go on 3500mg of test ew,like you say your on,but running a mild 6 month cycle,will in no way endanger him.Maybe you should take some time off such heavy doses to calm down alittle.

 

[nishnish]

i like 24 weeks on 8 weeks off

breaks down like so:

8 weeks one combo

switch up to another after 8 weeks

switch up again after 8 weeks

then 8 weeks off (6 of which are PCT)

rinse, repeat.

 

[bigtravis]

So what your saying is, him running a 6 month cycle is compareable to him killing himself? Are you feeling ok?I'm not saying i'm the foremost expert on AAS use,nor would I ever.I talk from my experience only.Apparently you are the expert on the subject and we should just bow down to your knowledge.Bro,look he's already done cycles before,so the choice has already been made.I think now guiding him with proper info is the best bet now!I would never tell him to go on 3500mg of test ew,like you say your on,but running a mild 6 month cycle,will in no way endanger him.Maybe you should take some time off such heavy doses to calm down alittle.[/QU
did i tell him to do 3500ew. no. ask him what his goals are. does he compete? i don't see how me advising him that he'd be better off doing 6 week or 8 week bursts instead of 6 months is wrong. and before you come in here at the last minute giving your .02 worth maybe you should go back and read the threads again.

 

[IRONBULL05]

So what your saying is, him running a 6 month cycle is compareable to him killing himself? Are you feeling ok?I'm not saying i'm the foremost expert on AAS use,nor would I ever.I talk from my experience only.Apparently you are the expert on the subject and we should just bow down to your knowledge.Bro,look he's already done cycles before,so the choice has already been made.I think now guiding him with proper info is the best bet now!I would never tell him to go on 3500mg of test ew,like you say your on,but running a mild 6 month cycle,will in no way endanger him.Maybe you should take some time off such heavy doses to calm down alittle.[/QU
did i tell him to do 3500ew. no. ask him what his goals are. does he compete? i don't see how me advising him that he'd be better off doing 6 week or 8 week bursts instead of 6 months is wrong. and before you come in here at the last minute giving your .02 worth maybe you should go back and read the threads again.

I have read all the threads,and all I keep reading is how you are the authority on AAS use,and everyone else is just reading from books.Do you know everyone else here?How do you know what anyone elses experience is?Does no none elses opinion count?We may all not be 5'11 at 264 lbs but that means nothing!!Before you start telling everyone else their opinion /advice is wrong,you should rethink yours!Like you said,you started at 18,so preaching to a 23 yr old that its wrong in insane!Is a 6 month cycle the best way to cycle,maybe,maybe not! Is is safe? If done correctly,Yes.
By the way,I didnt say you told him to up his dose to 3500mg,I said thats what you claim to be on.Do I think 3500mg of test ew is crazy and unsafe,YES! YOUR CHOICE THOUGH BROTHER!!!
The bottom line is,with all your so called knowledge,bashing everyone else is not the right way,Everyone here is here to help and advise everyone else,and learn a little too!Not bash other members.Thats all i'm saying!