Starting TRT........some questions for the group

[Older Guy]

43 5' 11' 185lbs in good shape (low body fat) but with all the aches and pains that come from years of competive sports.......standard symptoms of low test (basically feeling like shit and no sleep) and after getting all my work back, testosterone is in the mid range.

I told the Doc I want to get back to high range....and feeling better. Heck if I can feel 33 again that's good enough for me

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My question is:

He is putting me on 150cc Cyp to start every 2 weeks (or equivalent cream). Will this have much of an anabolic effect? Translation....I know it's hardly a cycle but can I expect to make some bonus gains in my workouts/body composition on such a low dose?

I'd love to make some gains along with feeling better ya know........

* he is also talking about adding 50mg DHEA/day into the mix

Thank you in advance for your insights

 

[Dial_tone]

People are jaded from huge cycles now. 150mg every two weeks will put you back in the range of your late 20's so you can grow like a hard training natural guy. However every 2 weeks is too far apart. You will feel great for 4-5 days after the shot then trend downward to your current condition. Keep in mind 42mg of that 150mg is the ester so it's 108mg of actual testosterone. You really want to get a weekly shot of at least 100mg.

Your composition will change slowly but steadily. I put myself on 100mg every 4th day (and 2IU GH) and I'll probably do a 10-12 week cycle at 3x that dose.

 

[Varga]

43 5' 11' 185lbs in good shape (low body fat) but with all the aches and pains that come from years of competive sports.......standard symptoms of low test (basically feeling like shit and no sleep) and after getting all my work back, testosterone is in the mid range.

I told the Doc I want to get back to high range....and feeling better. Heck if I can feel 33 again that's good enough for me

)

My question is:

He is putting me on 150cc Cyp to start every 2 weeks (or equivalent cream). Will this have much of an anabolic effect? Translation....I know it's hardly a cycle but can I expect to make some bonus gains in my workouts/body composition on such a low dose?

I'd love to make some gains along with feeling better ya know........

* he is also talking about adding 50mg DHEA/day into the mix

Thank you in advance for your insights

Take a look at you growth hormone. Increasing your testosterone

will not make you sleep any better but adding growth hormone will make a lot of difference

 

[adatudz]

I am 61, having the same aches and pains that you describe. Went to the doc with all those symptoms, but panic and anxiety...sweats. My T level was 300, and he put me on Androgel, I take 10 grams a day and have for the last 3 months. I was only taking 4 and no change. Now, my T level is 800. The gym is a major focus now...crazy isn't it? And I have only been back 6 weeks. I feel energised, focused, and I sware to you I am noticing subtle but nevertheless positive changes in my body. I think the Androgel may have contributed to that.

Tom

 

[Varga]

I am 61, having the same aches and pains that you describe. Went to the doc with all those symptoms, but panic and anxiety...sweats. My T level was 300, and he put me on Androgel, I take 10 grams a day and have for the last 3 months. I was only taking 4 and no change. Now, my T level is 800. The gym is a major focus now...crazy isn't it? And I have only been back 6 weeks. I feel energised, focused, and I sware to you I am noticing subtle but nevertheless positive changes in my body. I think the Androgel may have contributed to that.

Tom

Test will def make a difference from 300-800 but from my experience even having elevated test levels wasnt really doing much untill I added HGH. Now even if my test levels drops to 300 I really dont see a difference from 800 week to week. Kinda crazy

 

[adatudz]

HGH.....I am sure my family doc would not put me on HGH, Where does one look for a doc who prescribes HGH....Any help would be appreciated.

tom

 

[clozto50]

You definately need to do a minimum 100 mg a week,you will crash and burn with less! Also the creams suck WAY to expensive and a big hassle. As far as hgh very few docs will prescribe it,so either an anti aging clinic or a local gym source who gets it from China.The 100 mg test will have very slow very minimal change on your physique,but you will feel alot better.100 mg just isnt enough homone to have a big positive effect on your body,if you can afford it and really want to change your physique check out an anti aging clinic they can prescribe test deca and hgh,now your talking big time changes!!!

 

[adatudz]

I did contact per your recommendation a life Extension Clinic, who suggested either HGH or a testosterone replacement shot where i get that plus a estragon suppresent and something else for the gonads...This shot i assume is different from what the family doc would prescribe as he suggested the shot as well, but no mention about estragon replacement.
Someone told me this shot is more like a steroiod...They of course this clinic does specialize in HGH but that costs 600 dollars a month. I am a social worker, and could not afford that so HGH is not going to be part of my plan .
I had some concern that if my T level is 786, could this shot be any different. The worker on the phone said that I would feel like a new man on the shot versus the gel, and that taking the shot for about 6 months, would make the gel more effective if i wanted to return to that in 6 months. I guess i would be willing to do that. I just hope i am not getting ripped off.

These folks were nice, and they actually come to the house to do the blood work and to help you with the first shot. Blood work is 375 bucks- no insurance will pay.

 

[theemperor]

People are jaded from huge cycles now. 150mg every two weeks will put you back in the range of your late 20's so you can grow like a hard training natural guy. However every 2 weeks is too far apart. You will feel great for 4-5 days after the shot then trend downward to your current condition. Keep in mind 42mg of that 150mg is the ester so it's 108mg of actual testosterone. You really want to get a weekly shot of at least 100mg.

Your composition will change slowly but steadily. I put myself on 100mg every 4th day (and 2IU GH) and I'll probably do a 10-12 week cycle at 3x that dose.

Beautiful!

I agree on getting a weekly shot. 150mg a week would be perfect for HRT and can guarantee you will get above 900 on your test blood levels, easily but the shot has to be every week. You can grow as stated above for sure within a couiple of months.be confident with him and ask him if he would put you on every week after you researched and found out that it would be best for levels to be balanced every week versus getting a quick peak and then plummet down becasue of the spread of 2 weeks. you can do it bro. Oh, how happy you will be when you start!!

 

[cmanser]

Start with the 100mg testosterone per week. I was perscribed 200mg every 2 weeks and told my doc from my research I would have a roller coaster ride and would it be ok if I did 100 every week. He said "the script will read 200mg every 2 weeks but if you want to do 100mg per week I am fine with that". So that is where I am right now.

As for HGH I have no experience there but I am going to order some peptides that increase natural GH production. MUCH cheaper than GH and many people are saying they have great success with this. Do a little research - peptides are CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 - used together you can get your own GH going like you are a teenager again.

Good luck