started TRT today with test cyp

[XMAN.]

Yes, xman, a test level much above 1000 ng/dl does seem high. I will be interested to see what my test level is after this first 6 months of TRT, and see how much it has gone up. I doubt the clinic will shoot for any test level too far over 1000 ng/dl.
I will try to keep you informed. Blood test is next month.

yes plz do

 

[XMAN.]

Thanx for the reply.
Makes sense.
See the way the doc explained it to me was it was slow acting and would last a month.
His knowledge is obviously not very good, cause he was right and wrong.
He's not realizing that as the 2nd life of the shot breaks down the pieces are smaller and smaller right?
This doesn't do the patient any good.
And like u said, that one shot may have already begun my natrual production shutdown.
One things for sure, as of tommorow it'll be 2 weeks since the shot, I've felt nothing improved, only thing I got was sore nipples (went away after 2 days)
And it'll be 2 more weeks till I get another shot, this waiting sucks!
As I type this I'm sitting at my gym, I thought I might be able to do a workout, but I can't find the energy or motivation to even begin.
Seems hard to believe it was only a couple months ago, my working out was still strong, my exercising is a very important part of my life, and its been stolen from just as a robber would steal my wallet.

Thanx guys

eventually ur doc will realize that it's not working and he'll have to increase dosage and frequency so hang on bro

 

[augor]

As I'm still waiting till next monday for my next doc visit and next shot ( had blood tests again today)
I actually feel worse then before the shot.

Anywayz, I meant to ask a question here. (Another symptom, trailing off topic of what I'm doing) lol

Does anyone else when they have low T (guys who work out) experience a feeling in your muscles like the soreness u get a couple days after a workout? Only without having worked out those muscles for a week.

Its kinda odd, for example I worked out my biceps and back last tuesday, and it wasn't even a great workout compared to the past, but yesterday and today, my lats are sore like I worked em hard!
Not a pain, just soreness.
I guess lack of test in the body, the muscles are feeling like a drunk without a drink!

 

[Zyglamail]

Does anyone else when they have low T (guys who work out) experience a feeling in your muscles like the soreness u get a couple days after a workout? Only without having worked out those muscles for a week.

Its kinda odd, for example I worked out my biceps and back last tuesday, and it wasn't even a great workout compared to the past, but yesterday and today, my lats are sore like I worked em hard!
Not a pain, just soreness.
I guess lack of test in the body, the muscles are feeling like a drunk without a drink!

Some folks get flu like symptoms from gear but not terribly common with pharm grade stuff. Also on rare occasions some people react poorly to specific esters. Or it could just be coincidence and your coming down with something.

200mg once a month is ridiculous, your never going to stabilize and feel good like that. The problem with normal docs is that they take the slow methodical approach, add a little, wait, blood test, add a little wait, blood test. It can take literally months and months for them to figure out where you should be. The one nice thing about TRT docs is they have treated hundreds of patience and have solid empirical evidence based on the dosing they prescribe and blood work they see.

The know that as the exo test kicks in and the ester is removed and it becomes available for use in your body, your body will be at a test high level, then your body will scale back on its own production and total T levels will go down. Having a once a month injection means you will likely be shut down by the end of the month and a large part of the exo test will have been bound to the receptor leaving you with nothing. After the second injection total T should be lower than right after the first because your own production is low at best and they wait another month, test again to find out your low.

They may even just up your once a month dose making the peaks and valleys in the roller coaster even worse.

Empirical evidence has shown that having T levels over lab norms for aging men is not a bad thing. With a little E control and careful monitoring it has shown that most people can have T levels of 1100-1500 and still have good blood work. But once again the typical doc treats patients to get them in the "normal" range of T, they arent treating you for the mental aspects of low T which for many have a huge impact on life. I bet most middle aged men on drugs for depression could more safely and effectively be treated with TRT but the stigma is holding back the medical community.

 

[augor]

Hey guys,
Went for my 2nd visit to the doc today to get latest blood results.
Just to recap....
4 weeks ago had one shot of test cyp 200mg

First test results:
Total test: 7.0 nmol/L. Range 8.4-28.7 nmol/L
Free test: 25.8 pmol/L. Range 25.0-80.0 pmol/L

Todays test results:
Total test: 2.9 nmol/L. Range 8.4-28.7 nmol/L
Free test: 4.9 pmol/L. Range 25.0-80.0 pmol/L

All the rest of the results appear to be in range.but I also don't see a lot of stuff checked that other guys in here have listed.

Doc says he hasn't seen this happen before, looks like I'm turning into a primary, and he thought it was odd that even if my natural production is failing more, the one shot I got should have at least helped some, but its alomost as though my body didn't respond at all to the shot.
So he's sending me to an endo, could take a few weeks, in the meantime I'll be getting 100mg test cyp a week till I see the new doc.

He asked if I had any pain in the testicles, as he was thinking maybe some kind of infection is interfering with the production.

Guess I have to just wait now, cross my fingers that while I'm waiting the weekly shots have some positive effects.

Any ideas as to why my test production would be that much lower 3 weeks after a shot?
Seems unlikely one 200mg shot would shut me down, and I've noticed no testicle shrinkage.

 

[XMAN.]

the thing is like u r on a cycle every month on and off u get the shot ur ok the first week high exo test level the next week ur feeling the drop the 3rd week very low leftovers from exo test and normal production suppressed so ur body is at it's lowest from both sources endogenous and exogenous 4th week ur in hell no exo test (maybe some traces) and normal production still low cuz it needs time to restart 5th week time for ur next shot b4 u recovered normal production then goin into that roller coaster again and again and again....... ur on hrt u r counting on exo test all ur life so u need to divide ur dose to be covered all the days in the month , once a week is the minimum frequency , twice would be better.
as for normal production ur goin to need some hcg and hmg to keep it at minimum just for fertility u wont count on it to add to ur exo totals.

 

[augor]

it was changed yesterday to weekly shots

I should also ask, seeing as I'm goin to an endo now, what specific blood tests do u think I should ask for?

 

[augor]

Is it possible to be converting to estrogen too much, but not getting all the signs of it?

 

[Zyglamail]

Any ideas as to why my test production would be that much lower 3 weeks after a shot?
Seems unlikely one 200mg shot would shut me down, and I've noticed no testicle shrinkage.

200mh can shut you down and 4 weeks after the shot there wont be much of it left in your system to be of any use hence the low numbers.

The basic principle is if there is exo test in your system the body cuts back on its own, with naturally low test and the half life of the test you got, the exo levels could have been high enough to suppress natural production for a couple weeks. Then it wouldnt surprise me, since your naturally low to begin with that you wouldnt bounce back very fast.

Testicular atrophy often takes more than a singe shot and a few weeks.

 

[augor]

Hi, and thanx for the reply.
I figured it would take more then 1 shot to shut me down, but wanted to ask anywayz.
I wasn't thinking about the fact that the one shot would make the system cut back on production.

Got bad news that my appointment with the endo won't be till march 7th !

I'm gonna tell my doctor he's gonna have to help me with this thing until that time.

I know now after mondays visit that he's really only got experience with guys who have been ok with just minor doses of test, cause once I mentioned needing HCG and something to control estrogen, that's when he said, we better get u into an endo.
But there's no way I can go 3 1/2 months of 100mg a week with no AI or HCG in the mix.
If I can at least get him to approve the blood work for the estrogen check, and thenm prescribe what I need, I'll figure out the dosages for myself just from I've learned from all the great people on this board.