started TRT today with test cyp

[lorelle]

Sorry to hear about your doctor's reluctance to provide good TRT therapy.
I am in my mid-60's and felt the way you did prior to your therapy. I went to a local anti-aging clinic here in the U.S. in late June and they checked my total test level and found it to be 281 ng/dl (9.8 nmol/L, using the Canadian units). They were very kind and did not hesitate to get me started on 200 mg of test cyp per week. (I inject 100 mg twice a week to get the total dosage of 200 mg/week). Giving it in two shots a week instead of one keeps the test levels high and steady.
Other than getting sudden erections nothing happened for about four weeks, then dramatic changes occurred. I suddenly gained nearly ten pounds of muscle, and my strength levels shot up. My appetite increased a alot. Belly fat disappeared. When I went to the gym to do my regular workout, the other guys at the gym started commenting on the increased size of my arms and noticed I was lifting much heavier weights. My new energy level was so much that I had to reign myself in to keep from injuring myself when lifting weights, as it was so much easier now than before I could have gone much higher in the amount of weight I was lifting.
It has been four months since I began the test cyp shots and some of the initial
changes have leveled off, but still are good. I am scheduled for a follow up blood test next month. They told me when were were going over the results of my first blood test that I needed to get my test level up in the 1000-2000 ng/dl range!
(34.7-69.4 nmol/L Canadian measurment!!!)
So great has been my energy increase that I did a 23-mile hike across the Grand Canyon last month at age 65.
Here's hoping you get similar results.

 

[augor]

Thanx guys for the great info.

Yeah I am impatient, and I wasn't expecting to feel alittle worse, that one took me by suprise!
I just thought I'd feel something positive on the first shot.
I'll have to wait till the dosage is regular and then time after that

 

[XMAN.]

Sorry to hear about your doctor's reluctance to provide good TRT therapy.
I am in my mid-60's and felt the way you did prior to your therapy. I went to a local anti-aging clinic here in the U.S. in late June and they checked my total test level and found it to be 281 ng/dl (9.8 nmol/L, using the Canadian units). They were very kind and did not hesitate to get me started on 200 mg of test cyp per week. (I inject 100 mg twice a week to get the total dosage of 200 mg/week). Giving it in two shots a week instead of one keeps the test levels high and steady.
Other than getting sudden erections nothing happened for about four weeks, then dramatic changes occurred. I suddenly gained nearly ten pounds of muscle, and my strength levels shot up. My appetite increased a alot. Belly fat disappeared. When I went to the gym to do my regular workout, the other guys at the gym started commenting on the increased size of my arms and noticed I was lifting much heavier weights. My new energy level was so much that I had to reign myself in to keep from injuring myself when lifting weights, as it was so much easier now than before I could have gone much higher in the amount of weight I was lifting.
It has been four months since I began the test cyp shots and some of the initial
changes have leveled off, but still are good. I am scheduled for a follow up blood test next month. They told me when were were going over the results of my first blood test that I needed to get my test level up in the 1000-2000 ng/dl range!
(34.7-69.4 nmol/L Canadian measurment!!!)
So great has been my energy increase that I did a 23-mile hike across the Grand Canyon last month at age 65.
Here's hoping you get similar results.

hey bro r u sure it's 1000-2000 ng/dl range? isn't it too high as a range , i know that anything above 1200 ng/dl is considered supraphysiological level, is that what ur doc is aiming to, can u be close to 2000 ng/dl and still be considered safe?
interested to know what protocols are the doctors nowadays following, cuz it seems the old conventional methods of the lowest dose with the distant shot frequency is fading.

 

[augor]

I guess I should be happy I got nothing from the first shot, then I woulda just been disapointed in the roller coaster feeling

 

[augor]

I know that its common for men in early 40's to have elevated estrogen levels, and then being on TRT injections the chances are greater but....
Can you really get conversion of estrogen from a single 200mg shot?

The last 2 days I've had sensitive nipples, somewhat sore.
That's usually the first sign of elevated estrogen.

This makes me even more disappointed in my doc, since he's said they don't check estrogen levels in men (in canada)
Sounds like he's just lazy
If I have one of those bodies that easily converts test to estrogen, then my test shots aren't gonna be as effective, since elevated estrogen has similar symptoms to low test.
My hormones are gonna be running around in circles here!

 

[XMAN.]

u need an AI bro , Adex , Aromasin or Femara. at least have some proviron from time to time it's cheap and easy to get if these options aren't available.

 

[augor]

I have to find out wich ones are available for prescription where I live.
When I see the doc next, I have a few things to talk about.
My dosage
What he prescribes for high estro
Have my estro levels checked
Is HCG available in canada

 

[lorelle]

Yes, xman, a test level much above 1000 ng/dl does seem high. I will be interested to see what my test level is after this first 6 months of TRT, and see how much it has gone up. I doubt the clinic will shoot for any test level too far over 1000 ng/dl.
I will try to keep you informed. Blood test is next month.

 

[ProfPump]

Something I can't seem to find a clear answer on....
The doc gave me a 200mg shot, now I know the half life is 8 days, and day 8 is when the shot will raise the levels to the max (the max the dose can raise)
And after that levels fall back to where they were.
and by day 14-18 levels will be where u started correct?
What I need to know is will this one shot and any effect it may cause be done by 21 days?
Or does the slow ether actually last longer?
I know in terms of guys who use test in a cycle, they always say its 4-5 weeks before u see or feel benifits.

My doc has me going for blood tests again exactly 21 days after the shot, so he can show me it has improved my test levels, what do u think it will show?
Will my levels be different 21 days after a single shot, or will they be somewhat where they were when I started?
This is the wrong way to say it, but I'm hoping the levels are the same or worse, just so he can maybe stop being so condisending , and do a proper TRT dosage.

Thanx

Let me take a shot at this. According to the package insert, the half-life for Cyp and Enanth is 8 days but the effective half-life is usually considered to be 12 days for Cyp and 10.5 days for Enan. What this means is that after the half-life period, you have metabolized half of the dose. After another half-life period, it is halved again (see picture).

My opinion is that when you are tested after 21 days, not only will most of the injections be gone from your system, but your natural production, as low as it may be, will be suppressed. The use of exogenous testosterone will shut down the HPTA (hypothalamus-pituitary-testes axis) which should finish off whatever low production you did have and leave you lower than you started.

It may take more than one shot to shut you down completely but that's how it works. I take my injections twice a week because I found that I have fewer sides from estrogen aromatization when I split the dose that way. my dose is 200 mg/week.

The reason why guys say it takes a few weeks to kick in is that the levels increase over time. (See Pic 2)

 

[augor]

Thanx for the reply.
Makes sense.
See the way the doc explained it to me was it was slow acting and would last a month.
His knowledge is obviously not very good, cause he was right and wrong.
He's not realizing that as the 2nd life of the shot breaks down the pieces are smaller and smaller right?
This doesn't do the patient any good.
And like u said, that one shot may have already begun my natrual production shutdown.
One things for sure, as of tommorow it'll be 2 weeks since the shot, I've felt nothing improved, only thing I got was sore nipples (went away after 2 days)
And it'll be 2 more weeks till I get another shot, this waiting sucks!
As I type this I'm sitting at my gym, I thought I might be able to do a workout, but I can't find the energy or motivation to even begin.
Seems hard to believe it was only a couple months ago, my working out was still strong, my exercising is a very important part of my life, and its been stolen from just as a robber would steal my wallet.

Thanx guys