samoth said:
That stuff hasn't been in production for many years, I thought. Is the drug being produced by actual pharms, or is it a purely underground thing?
I believe british dragon which has a pretty good rep makes it. ....there are a few underground labs which carry it . I do not know if they buy the powder from BD and press them themselves or what. ...
"British Dragon, as well as a couple of other underground labs, has recently been producing Oral Turinabol (4-dehydromethyltestosterone), made popular by its widespread use in the GDR Olympic doping program many years ago. Oral Turinabol, often called "OT" or "T-bol" by athletes and bodybuilders, was the most widely used drug for the East German Olympic Doping Program, known formally as "State Plan 14.25."
OT was given to roughly ten thousand athletes whose results were meticulously recorded by scientists, coaches, and doctors working for the East German Olympic program, and consequently it's one of the most exhaustively researched anabolic/androgenic steroids ever produced, with regards to its effects on strength, speed, and athletic training. Jenapharm, the original manufacturer of Oral-Turinabol, discontinued the product just after the GDR program went under.
This drug can be seen as a cross between Dianabol (Methandrostenolone) and Anavar (Oxandrolone), taking what many feel are the best features of each of these drugs and combining them into a nice, clean bulking compound. Oral Turinabol is actually a derivative of Testosterone (the base structure is that of Dianabol, actually) and is typically referred to as a cross between Clostebol and Dianabol.
The base structure is just like Dianabol, with the same 4-chloro alteration seen in Clostebol, which prevents conversion to estrogen. Fortunately, the 4-chloro alteration makes it less subject to aromatization, so gynecomastia (development of breast tissue in males) isn't an issue, nor is excess water retention. Thus, the gains seen on OT are very clean and not the watery gains seen with its sister compound, Dianabol.
Just like Anavar and Dianabol, OT is a 17-alpha-alkylated steroid, which allows it to be orally active and survive the first pass through the liver without being destroyed. Unfortunately, this also increases liver toxicity. OT is, however, not too worrisome in this respect, as dosages typically hover around the 50mg/day mark.
Oral Turinabol's reappearance on the scene — due to some enterprising underground labs — wasn't surprising to many people, myself included. In fact, it was almost easy to predict, given the availability of steroid powders and the laws of supply and demand. It's consequently now one of the few drugs to be in high demand among both athletes as well as bodybuilders, regardless of whether they're on a bulking cycle or cutting cycle. This is due to its "sexy" reputation from the GDR doping days, I suspect.
Athletes who've recently been able to use this drug have reported that it's nearly as good for bulking as Dianabol, but with much less water retention. From what I've seen, weight gain with Oral Turinabol is generally a bit less than what's experienced with classic oral bulking agents such as Dianabol or Anadrol, but the gains are much more "dry" and lean.
Many of OT's new fans have compared the quality of gains experienced with Oral Turinabol to be similar to Anavar, but with more actual weight gain. "
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