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The Shadow
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History sort of "forgot" about him as he aligned himself with the US (Allies)
Revisionist history
Revisionist history
Basic_wonder
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He did a cleansing every 4 years or so just cause he was paranoid ...... I would be too ....
Cleansing was killing everyone in his cabinet and pretty much everyone he knew, kinda sad .....
Cleansing was killing everyone in his cabinet and pretty much everyone he knew, kinda sad .....
Delinquent
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He used to hang his officers with piano wire 
The best accounting I have read is Martin Amis's "Koba the dread". If you have lots of time, check out Solzenhitsyn's "The Gulag Archipelago".
Too lazy to read: do a google on Vorkuta.
As to why no one talks about Uncle Joe - well, most people are stupid. But here is some philosophy on it:
The idea of Communism is an idea of perfecting society: creating a perfect world out of imperfect people.
It failed, and it failed on the greatest scale in human history: the Red Terror and the Great Terror left 20 million dead BEFORE WW2, which killed maybe another 20M. One of Lenin's goals, which Stalin made a reality, was state control over food.
Stalin's reign probably crushed 50 million russians - he makes Hitler look like a common street thug, and of course their families....you could rightly say Stalin casude the death or ruin of over 100M people. No signatures were issued for those who starved to death; cannibalism was popular during the red Terror. (Some of the nastiest, most disgusting pics I have ever seen are those of russian peasants with frozen bodies cut up for food. Parents ate children, etc.)
The USSR produced more food per acre in 1916 than in 1986.
Communism's abject failure - its destruction of more people and more lives than any other system anywhere in history - is a final refutaton of the idea that society can be perfected.
We don't like to admit our shortcomings and imperfectibility, so Stalin's massacres and the abject failure of Communism is swept under the rug. In some ways, we see the Russian killing machine as all of our fault, and we don't like to confront our imperfectness.
Too lazy to read: do a google on Vorkuta.
As to why no one talks about Uncle Joe - well, most people are stupid. But here is some philosophy on it:
The idea of Communism is an idea of perfecting society: creating a perfect world out of imperfect people.
It failed, and it failed on the greatest scale in human history: the Red Terror and the Great Terror left 20 million dead BEFORE WW2, which killed maybe another 20M. One of Lenin's goals, which Stalin made a reality, was state control over food.
Stalin's reign probably crushed 50 million russians - he makes Hitler look like a common street thug, and of course their families....you could rightly say Stalin casude the death or ruin of over 100M people. No signatures were issued for those who starved to death; cannibalism was popular during the red Terror. (Some of the nastiest, most disgusting pics I have ever seen are those of russian peasants with frozen bodies cut up for food. Parents ate children, etc.)
The USSR produced more food per acre in 1916 than in 1986.
Communism's abject failure - its destruction of more people and more lives than any other system anywhere in history - is a final refutaton of the idea that society can be perfected.
We don't like to admit our shortcomings and imperfectibility, so Stalin's massacres and the abject failure of Communism is swept under the rug. In some ways, we see the Russian killing machine as all of our fault, and we don't like to confront our imperfectness.
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nutsnack
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AAP said:
yes pls do
AAP said:
I've only seen them in books - one particularly gross one in Koba the Dread - if I can remember I 'll get them scanned.
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Spartacus
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move the decimal and you're in the ball parkWODIN said:
14 million at least
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Spartacus
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google Glavnoye Upravleniye Lagere
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Spartacus
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It is estimated that around 50 million perished in Soviet gulags between 1930 and 1950.
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Spartacus
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DEATH CAMPS
IT IS estimated that about 32 million people were killed by Joseph Stalin during his reign of terror between 1924 and 1953, with his chief method of disposal being the Gulags (short for Glavnoye Upravleniye Lagere), which were labour camps to house opponents of his regime.
Probably the worst of the camps was at Kolyma, in north-eastern Siberia, where temperatures dropped to minus 30F during the winter.
About a third of the prisoners at Kolyma died each year.
Those sent to the Gulags included peasants who were accused of "individualistic tendencies" and opposed the establishment of collective farms. Others such as writers and those with contrary religious beliefs were also sent to the camps.
Stalin was particularly suspicious of people who lived abroad or had relatives overseas. This included foreign communists who had fled to the Soviet Union to avoid persecution from their own governments.
Less is known about Gulags than the Nazi death camps, because of the secretive nature of the Soviet regime, but their victims were simply starved to death.
IT IS estimated that about 32 million people were killed by Joseph Stalin during his reign of terror between 1924 and 1953, with his chief method of disposal being the Gulags (short for Glavnoye Upravleniye Lagere), which were labour camps to house opponents of his regime.
Probably the worst of the camps was at Kolyma, in north-eastern Siberia, where temperatures dropped to minus 30F during the winter.
About a third of the prisoners at Kolyma died each year.
Those sent to the Gulags included peasants who were accused of "individualistic tendencies" and opposed the establishment of collective farms. Others such as writers and those with contrary religious beliefs were also sent to the camps.
Stalin was particularly suspicious of people who lived abroad or had relatives overseas. This included foreign communists who had fled to the Soviet Union to avoid persecution from their own governments.
Less is known about Gulags than the Nazi death camps, because of the secretive nature of the Soviet regime, but their victims were simply starved to death.
justinjones1963
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Being good or bad is a relative. What truly matters is what side of the fence you sit on. Stalin did many good things for his country. Look at the chaos in the former USSR-block countries. Poverty, AIDS is rampant, women being sold into the sex industry, drugs etc. What is better? Living with a dictator or living in chaos?
I also do not rely on any of the mainstream information out there. Solzhenitsyn has political motives and I believe his numbers are off. It is the same deal with the holocaust numbers. Most importantly, never forget the victors write the history books - even though we live in a free country we have all been brainwashed to look at both men and all of history through one point of view. Heaven forbid anyone says anything positive about Hitler or Stalin – it simply isn’t permitted in our ‘free’ society.
I also do not rely on any of the mainstream information out there. Solzhenitsyn has political motives and I believe his numbers are off. It is the same deal with the holocaust numbers. Most importantly, never forget the victors write the history books - even though we live in a free country we have all been brainwashed to look at both men and all of history through one point of view. Heaven forbid anyone says anything positive about Hitler or Stalin – it simply isn’t permitted in our ‘free’ society.
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Gambino
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his son, josef i think was his name, was taken hostage by stalin's political enemies.
they demanded concessions and they would return his son unharmed
stalin declined and his son was killed
talk about hardcore
they demanded concessions and they would return his son unharmed
stalin declined and his son was killed
talk about hardcore
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Spartacus
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time for a new Stalinesque dictator overtherejustinjones1963 said:
AAP said:
Stalin, Lenin, or Hitler themselves might've never killed anyone during their reign. However, Trotsky was far worse than Himmler or Hoess ever were imo.
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Spartacus
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Hitler was actually an accomplished soldier in WWIhanselthecaretaker said:
earning the Iron Cross for valor
and the Germans don't hand out their Iron Crosses easy
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Gambino
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4everhung said:
accomplished? meh
never made it past corporal and he was a solider all thru the war, from start to armistice
most accts have him being inept, brave, but inept
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Gambino
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Ludendorf said:
and iron crosses were a way to boost morale...fuck they even gave a medal for sinking the listuana (sp)
so a few were liberally given out, mainly to boost team morale
4everhung said:
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Spartacus
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he refused promotionLudendorf said:
# Hitler passed up promotion to full corporal because it would result in his being reassigned from the messenger group.
# Besides two Iron Crosses, Hitler was awarded the Bavarian Military Medal 3rd class with bar, and later received, as did all wounded soldiers, the Cross of Military Merit.
# The List Regiment and the headquarters messenger group suffered tremendous casualties during the war, but Hitler avoided many close calls and regularly indicated he expected to survive the war.
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Gambino
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4everhung said:
i call bullshit on that source
i've read quite a few first hand accounts about his wartime experience, and none of them mentioned him being worth a fuck
totally him changing history to look like a hero i put money on it
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http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/aslowfuse.htm
" On 4 August 1918, with the Germans in the last throes of their grand offensive, Hitler received an Iron Cross 1st Class for, 'personal bravery and general merit.' He had single handily captured a group of Frenchmen huddled in a shell hole. Cunningly, Hitler had crawled to the lip of their impromptu shelter and then shouted out to the men that they were surrounded and had better surrender. Duped by his ruse, the Frenchmen came along without a fight."
" On 4 August 1918, with the Germans in the last throes of their grand offensive, Hitler received an Iron Cross 1st Class for, 'personal bravery and general merit.' He had single handily captured a group of Frenchmen huddled in a shell hole. Cunningly, Hitler had crawled to the lip of their impromptu shelter and then shouted out to the men that they were surrounded and had better surrender. Duped by his ruse, the Frenchmen came along without a fight."
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Gambino
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4everhung said:
french soliders? lol figures
btw check out ernst junger if you ever wanna a good german first hand acct of ww1
I hate to be such a realist, BUT it's a good thing he did. We need for it to happen again.
Just think if he didn't kill all those people. They would have reproduced. If it wasn't for the civil war, WW1, WW2, Hitler, Stalin, and all those creepy fucks, there would be a food shortage today. There would be over a billion more people on the planet today.
We need some form of population control even today... I just wonder what it will be.
Also, yes AAP, I do realize that this thread is just to point out how many people he killed since it seems that most of the world has forgotten about him. If I understand it correctly, they estimate he killed more people than anyone else in history.
Whiskey
Just think if he didn't kill all those people. They would have reproduced. If it wasn't for the civil war, WW1, WW2, Hitler, Stalin, and all those creepy fucks, there would be a food shortage today. There would be over a billion more people on the planet today.
We need some form of population control even today... I just wonder what it will be.
Also, yes AAP, I do realize that this thread is just to point out how many people he killed since it seems that most of the world has forgotten about him. If I understand it correctly, they estimate he killed more people than anyone else in history.
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misterwhite
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Powerbuilder333
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Stalin = Very bad man.
I would like to see some gruesome pictures. I'm not sure why.
It seems (generally speaking) that in a tyrants regime, the closer you are to the top, the closer you are to being killed by the tyrant.
Back stab your way up the ladder, just to be offed yourself seems kind of poetic.
I would like to see some gruesome pictures. I'm not sure why.
It seems (generally speaking) that in a tyrants regime, the closer you are to the top, the closer you are to being killed by the tyrant.
Back stab your way up the ladder, just to be offed yourself seems kind of poetic.
Might as well include Trotsky and Lenin up in this thread, since Stalin basically picked up where they left off.
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On Junger-
Throughout his whole life he had experimented with drugs such as ether, cocaine, and hashish; and later in life he used mescaline and LSD. These experiments were recorded comprehensively in Annäherungen (1970, "Approaches"). The novel Besuch auf Godenholm (1952, "Visit to Godenholm") is clearly influenced by his early experiments with mescaline and LSD. He met several times with LSD inventor Albert Hofmann and they took LSD together. Hofmann's memoir LSD, My Problem Child describes some of these meetings.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Junger
In 1970, at age 75, Junger discomfited his conservative fans by publishing a book detailing his lifelong experiments with drugs of all kinds, including his LSD trips in the 1950s with Albert Hofmann, the discoverer of the hallucinogen. It is Junger's reputation as an unpredictable literary adventurer that may account for his surprising popularity in France, where more than 40 of his books have been translated, and where he is widely regarded as an "action intellectual" in the Malraux vein. In 1985 Junger was invited to join French president Francois Mitterrand and German chancellor Helmut Kohl in Verdun for ceremonies honoring the dead of World War I; Mitterrand subsequently asked him to breakfast at the Elysee palace. In the last decade, debates over Junger's status as an unrepentant "reactionary modernist" have raged constantly in the German press, climaxing recently with a full-scale attack on his work in the country's most prominent newsweekly, Der Spiegel.
-http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1248/is_n6_v83/ai_17128994/pg_4
He also refused Hitler's offers of friendship in the '20's and refused membership in the Nazi party.
All in all he doesn't sound like the most credible historical writer in the world.
misterwhite
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milo hobgoblin
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Well besides killing millions of peasants..
wiping out his entire officer corp just prior to WWII..
economically destroying his country for decades..
whats there to talk about?
wiping out his entire officer corp just prior to WWII..
economically destroying his country for decades..
whats there to talk about?
b0und
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Even for super-evil dictators this is a new level:
From wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin#Marriages_and_family
Funny though, in an omgwtf kind of way.
b0und (could have been an evil dictator)
From wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin#Marriages_and_family
Funny though, in an omgwtf kind of way.
b0und (could have been an evil dictator)
hanselthecaretaker said:
not really a historical writer per se
he just write one book ( i think ) called storm of steel
not meant to be a historical anaylisis, just one solider telling his story
and, of course, personal accounts are never a good source to judge a massive conflict, just a piece of the puzzle
but i did not not that about him, interesting
In the 1920s, Joseph Stalin directed Russian scientists to cross-breed humans with apes.
-taken from askmen.com's Fact Of The Day.
-taken from askmen.com's Fact Of The Day.
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Spartacus
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fvkin' AAP
probs has a high school diploma at best
can I rip off some software this weak
probs has a high school diploma at best
can I rip off some software this weak
