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[Imnotdutch]

Yes, and I am saying that modern values are a lobe of the cultural brain that these people (not all of Pakistan of course) have not developed yet. Modern values can understand them. But they cannot understand modern values. Therefore, modern values are better.

They dont understand modern values? I think they can understand them........they just dont agree with them.

I dont think that you can say either is superior.

 

[plornive]

By the way Dutch, have you ever impinged/tore a rotator cuff (in the back of the shoulder on the overhand side) from deadlifts? I just did a pull a few days ago, never had problems before, and now it feels like tendonitis or something, and happens whenever I would assume my rear rotator functions.

 

[Imnotdutch]

By the way Dutch, have you ever impinged/tore a rotator cuff (in the back of the shoulder on the overhand side) from deadlifts? I just did a pull a few days ago, never had problems before, and now it feels like tendonitis or something, and happens whenever I would assume my rear rotator functions.

No I havent. Only ever had rotator problems when benching too heavy without appropriate warm up. When this happened I took a couple of weeks off (until shoulder felt good when moved in all directions) and made sure I warmed up properly.

Give it a rest.......that all that I can suggest. Sorry.

Hope it heals quickly.

 

[plornive]

They dont understand modern values? I think they can understand them........they just dont agree with them.

I dont think that you can say either is superior.

I am not attacking the people. I'm attacking their values.

I reallize some people hold many contradicting values simultaneously. But modern values as a collective consciousness can understand old traditional values, while traditional values as a collective consciousness cannot understand modern values.

Honour killing demonstrates a lack of civility. I reallize my above quote is abstract, so let me bring it back to earth. The modern state of the world would not exist if everyone behaved this way. Many political and sociological theorists and researchers believe that a civil society is a more enlightened and vibrant society.

I guess I prefer to choose a context. You are "right" I guess.

 

[plornive]

No I havent. Only ever had rotator problems when benching too heavy without appropriate warm up. When this happened I took a couple of weeks off (until shoulder felt good when moved in all directions) and made sure I warmed up properly.

Give it a rest.......that all that I can suggest. Sorry.

Hope it heals quickly.

Thanks.

Now, about those killings...

 

[Imnotdutch]

Thanks.

Now, about those killings...

What about them?

Life in Pakistan can be pretty damn tough. Your chances of survival are greatly enhanced if you are supported by the community. Alienating yourself from the community by having a daughter who behaves inappropriately (by their criteria) therefore threatens the survival of your whole family.

Better to lose one daughter than your whole family.

 

[plornive]

As a sidenote, the Chinese, as late as the Qing dynasty, looked at westerners as barbarians. I guess that would count against my point.

 

[plornive]

What about them?

Life in Pakistan can be pretty damn tough. Your chances of survival are greatly enhanced if you are supported by the community. Alienating yourself from the community by having a daughter who behaves inappropriately (by their criteria) therefore threatens the survival of your whole family.

Better to lose one daughter than your whole family.

I didn't really mean anything by that comment. Again, I;m not criticising the people. I'm criticising the cultural environment that led to their actions.

 

[Imnotdutch]

As a sidenote, the Chinese, as late as the Qing dynasty, looked at westerners as barbarians. I guess that would count against my point.

Uh huh.........even now the Chinese and Japanese consider themselves better than us. It all depends on your perspective.

On the whole westerners are incredibly disrespectful to one another.........do little to guide their young along the right path (go to any high school and look at the behaviour to see what I mean)........

 

[Imnotdutch]

I didn't really mean anything by that comment. Again, I;m not criticising the people. I'm criticising the cultural environment that led to their actions.

Their cultural environment has arisen at least in part due to the physical environment. Hence my comment. Admittedly it doesnt help that their strong religious beliefs advocate strong repercussions for 'inappropriate' behaviour.