Sleep...?

[DZLS]

I know the reccomended number of hours is 8...

I've started a new routine, where i sleep 6 hours, then have to get up early to hit the gym, come home drink my CEE, get a shower, drink a protein shake, and go back to bed for about 1.5-2 hours...

then have a protein / carb filled breakfast upon waking...

the reason for this split is i have to be in and out of the gym before my wife leaves for work, cause the new gym has no day care...

anyone else ever try something like this...? it almost seem like this might not be too bad, asi can get some recovery right away after the workouts, but am not sure how the loss of 2 hours during the night is going to affect me...

 

[JKurz1]

no job???

I get 7 hrs a night when I dont do am cardio....6 when I do and 8 on the weekends.....

 

[Tedster]

I'm amazed that you can get back to sleep after being up and doing a work out! Also, why do you take your CEE after your work out instead of before?

I think you'll have to be the judge of whether you're getting enough sleep. If you're tired and fatigued and your body doesn't seem to be recovering quickly enough between work outs, then you may need to tweak your sleep/work out routine.

I think everyone has different sleep requirements, but the eight hours is a good rule of thumb.

 

[DZLS]

yes, i do have a job... i work 2nd shift, and my wife works dayshift, so i watch our son during the day until i go to work...

the CellMass calls for taking it post workout, and once 6-8 hours afterwards... that's why i take it after...

i wasn't really able to get back to sleep today, just kinda rested... we'll see what happens tomorrow...

i really want to stay at this new gym, and this is the only way i can do it, as they have no daycare like the other gym does...

 

[Tedster]

Well, give it at least a couple of weeks before you make a permanent decision. It will probably take you a while to get used to the new sleeping routine. If you have at least one day per week when you can sleep in and catch up, I bet you can make it work.

That's interesting on your CEE -- I have used the PureCEE and they recommend taking it right before. I'm no expert on the matter, so I won't pass any judgement.

 

[outset2]

A few years ago I had a sleep schedule like that. My gym was so busy after work that I would go home and sleep for like 2-3 hours and them work out late at night, go home eat then sleep 5-6 hours before work. I had the best gains of my life while using that schedule. My life is too messed up now to keep any regular thing going.

 

[musketeer]

I used to work from 05:30 - 11:30 and then from 16:00-20:30 I would workout and nap in-between, five days a week, and it was extremely effective. I would never have trouble falling asleep and I would almost feel anabolic when I woke up at 15:30 to go back to work.

The 2 hour nap one hour after a workout worked really well for me!

 

[casualbb]

you might make okay gains, as sleep is NOT essential to the muscle-building process (unless you get sick; depressed immune system is an effect of sleep deprivation)

but I can tell you: you will feel like shit.

You can't significantly interrupt REM sleep like that to workout, and then expect to fall directly back into it. There's a certain point where once you're up, you're up.

 

[musketeer]

I got 6-7 hours in one go 22:30-05:00 and then 2 hours in the afternoon. Felt great, made good gains and did not have trouble getting to sleep or waking up. If I was to sleep 9 hours straight, that would be 9 hours without any nutrition going in - something to consider.

 

[DZLS]

sleep is NOT essential to the muscle-building process

really...?

i thought muscle recovery only occurred during sleep...

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

No, the muscle will repair itself regardless.

Though sleep isn't directly related to hypertrophy or strength gains, you can indirectly relate it by looking at it like this: You don't sleep as much as you need to, you get mentally burnt out easier. It becomes a psychological battle. Your immune system eventually weakens. You get irritable. Eventually you miss a workout or perform poorly due to lack of concentration. You lose drive and effort. Your workouts suffer more and more until you finally are back-peddling. Then your lack of sleep causes you to miss key signs of an obvious affair going on between your best friend and wife while you were watching the kids while she went out for a "cup of coffee" in which the coffee was said friend's junk and the 'cup of' clearly meant 'mouthful of', until one day your neighbor reveals your ignorance and you have no choice but to go on a brutal rampage, slaughtering innocent children and lesbians, winding up with no custody of your precious offspring, losing respect of people and lesbians (who are clearly a different species) everywhere, and sitting in jail waiting for the next guy to come and serve you up some cream of beef stew, all the while losing even more sleep.

It's a vicious cycle.

(Note, the above was a display of a lack of sleep on my part. Don't be me.)

 

[coolcolj]

sleep recharges the CNS

low CNS juice = crappy muscular contraction

I know about all too well

 

[DZLS]

i don't think this is going to be a lack of sleep issue...

my split is going to be M,T, TH, Sat... so i will not be getting up early on W, F, or Sun...

the hardest part for me is getting out of bed, considering i've worked 2nd shift for about 4 years now, and am used to not getting up until after 10:00AM on most days...

thanks for all the feedback fellas...

 

[markshark]

sleep recharges the CNS

low CNS juice = crappy muscular contraction

I know about all too well

unless u take lunesta or ambien to sleep like i do everynight. i dont think ive gotten any REM sleep since 2003. my lifting is so fucked up from lack of sleep ill do like chest one day and then not lift for 5 straight days because it takes forever to recover with no sleep.

 

[*MissFit*]

its a myth that everyone requires 8hrs.. there is not a set point number of hours we all need to regenrate..

 

[markshark]

its a myth that everyone requires 8hrs.. there is not a set point number of hours we all need to regenrate..

thank you. im sick of everyone telling me "theres no point in working out if u dont get 8-17 hours a night". yeah jay cutler does it, because the only other hobby he has is color coordinating his thongs. i know guys that sleep like 4-5 hours a night and are bigger and more muscular than i could ever hope to be if i slept 10 hours a night. not that sleeping more would be a bad thing, it would probably help, but i wouldnt think its a necessity every night.

 

[NorgePrecision]

I can sleep anytime of the day or night. I find myself most awake between 12 and 3 AM. I find myself most sleepy between 9 and 12 AM I take naps throughout the day. I usually get around 6 hours of sleep and then nap for at least an hour or 2. On the weekends I've been known to sleep 14 hours without waking up...gifted I tell you. In fact, when my parents brought me home from the hospital when I was born I slept all through that night and well into the next morning. They thought something was wrong with me. I was an excellent baby because I never woke up in the middle of the night...at all.

 

[kiosk]

its a myth that everyone requires 8hrs.. there is not a set point number of hours we all need to regenrate..

yup...there is two things about sleep,

quality = deep delta sleep is the most rejuvenating one period, this is where your body recovers and testosterone is released, the one kind a BBer needs. 4 hours of deep delta sleep beats 8-9 hours of tossing and turning.

consistency = cant sleep one night and be all up night another, this will eventually catch up to you.

 

[*MissFit*]

yup...there is two things about sleep,

quality = deep delta sleep is the most rejuvenating one period, this is where your body recovers and testosterone is released, the one kind a BBer needs. 4 hours of deep delta sleep beats 8-9 hours of tossing and turning.

consistency = cant sleep one night and be all up night another, this will eventually catch up to you.

I have gotten this information straight from a neurologist whose a specialist in sleep I have a sleep disorder where for the most part I actually am unable to sleep more than four hours of sleep at a time. Even with only being able to do this I seem to be fine and my body is pretty good for being 30.

Yes if you can sleep 8 hours.. go ahead, but no it’s not necessary.

 

[DZLS]

I'd say your body is more than "fine" for being 30...

 

[coldblue1955]

I know the reccomended number of hours is 8...

I've started a new routine, where i sleep 6 hours, then have to get up early to hit the gym, come home drink my CEE, get a shower, drink a protein shake, and go back to bed for about 1.5-2 hours...

then have a protein / carb filled breakfast upon waking...

the reason for this split is i have to be in and out of the gym before my wife leaves for work, cause the new gym has no day care...

anyone else ever try something like this...? it almost seem like this might not be too bad, asi can get some recovery right away after the workouts, but am not sure how the loss of 2 hours during the night is going to affect me...

6 hours is not bad.

 

[NorgePrecision]

Ok, I had some alcohol in me last night and I'm not going to lie...it was a lot. I went to bed around 4 AM expecting to sleep to at least 2 PM without waking up. I woke up at 11 and couldn't get back to sleep!!! This has been my first experience of self sleep depravation.

 

[coolcolj]

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=05-181-feature

 

[markshark]

Ok, I had some alcohol in me last night and I'm not going to lie...it was a lot. I went to bed around 4 AM expecting to sleep to at least 2 PM without waking up. I woke up at 11 and couldn't get back to sleep!!! This has been my first experience of self sleep depravation.

what?!!! dude if you were me u wouldnt be able to handle it then. imagine getting 0-2 hours every night for three straight weeks, trying to lift and take classes at the same time. i should be given some kind of medal. oh, and the first 5 days i was awake completely with absolutely not one hour.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

what?!!! dude if you were me u wouldnt be able to handle it then. imagine getting 0-2 hours every night for three straight weeks, trying to lift and take classes at the same time. i should be given some kind of medal. oh, and the first 5 days i was awake completely with absolutely not one hour.

How does it feel up there on that pedestal you created for yourself?

Yeah, a medal. Good job, you stayed up for awhile and still managed to fulfill your responsibilities. Why, I've never heard of anyone having done that before!

...Oh wait, yes I have.

 

[markshark]

How does it feel up there on that pedestal you created for yourself?

Yeah, a medal. Good job, you stayed up for awhile and still managed to fulfill your responsibilities. Why, I've never heard of anyone having done that before!

...Oh wait, yes I have.

actually it feels like shit to know everyone out that gets 6 hours claims they have "insomnia" and its funny to me that people who have real sleep problems would give up both legs to sleep 6 hours a night.

 

[DZLS]

go see your doctor... you can get some prescription pills or maybe you have sleep apnea, which can be corrected as well...

if you're saying you're just too busy to sleep, stop your crying... we've all been there...

 

[markshark]

go see your doctor... you can get some prescription pills or maybe you have sleep apnea, which can be corrected as well...

if you're saying you're just too busy to sleep, stop your crying... we've all been there...

actually ive been on prescription ambien and lunesta for 2 years now

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

I'd volunteer to knock you out every night, but you'd have to be willing a waiver releasing me from any responsibility when brain trauma sets in after said thwacking.

 

[markshark]

How does it feel up there on that pedestal you created for yourself?

Yeah, a medal. Good job, you stayed up for awhile and still managed to fulfill your responsibilities. Why, I've never heard of anyone having done that before!

...Oh wait, yes I have.

for real? people that literally get 5 hours a week of sleep for a month and still do everything? half the time i had to skip classes because if i stood up for more than 5 minutes i thought i was gonna pass out. thats all im sayin. it pisses me off when people say "fuck i have insomnia. i only got 7 hours last nite." i havent had 7 hours or more in months, and the only times i do is if i take 10 mg of klonopin or some shit. just dont act like u know what im talkin about because u know people that get up and go to work after getting like 4 hours a night. that aint shit. try being up for 6 days and having to go to work. its not as easy as u think.

 

[markshark]

I'd volunteer to knock you out every night, but you'd have to be willing a waiver releasing me from any responsibility when brain trauma sets in after said thwacking.

wow a threat on an internet forum. jump through the computer and do it to me and id feel much more threatened.

 

[DZLS]

have you seen a sleep specialist...?

sleep apnea is a major reason for loss of sleep... look into it...

 

[markshark]

have you seen a sleep specialist...?

sleep apnea is a major reason for loss of sleep... look into it...

yeah i did but i need to get another one. i actually couldnt get passed a level 2 sleep the entire time and it wasnt enough for them to truly find out anything, so they just started prescribing me sleep aids.

 

[DZLS]

yeah, they took the easy way out...

i suggest finding someone new...

if you have been on Ambien and Lunesta for 2 years now, your doctor should be punched in the head by the guy that offered it to you above...

sleep aids are supposed to only be used as short term remedies...

 

[amore]

Nice thread! Does anyone know what the best way to keep your sleep down (hrs) is? I sleep too much I think. I'm only 21 and I'm known to sleep 9-10 hrs a night! I wish I could sleep 7 or 8 as then I could get so much done. my other issue is this: I go to sleep a bit later and later every night until eventually i am going to bed at 2 ro 3 or 6 am (about 2 now) and getting up at 9 or 8 once in a while for business is tough!!! Funny thing is though that soon I'll need to be up early REGULARLY due to business. HELP!

 

[markshark]

yeah, they took the easy way out...

i suggest finding someone new...

if you have been on Ambien and Lunesta for 2 years now, your doctor should be punched in the head by the guy that offered it to you above...

sleep aids are supposed to only be used as short term remedies...

and thats what i dont get. they tell u to do it for 14 days max, so, ok, you take it for 14 days and quit. not only do you have rebound insomnia, but even after that goes away youre back to not sleeping normally again.

 

[markshark]

Nice thread! Does anyone know what the best way to keep your sleep down (hrs) is? I sleep too much I think. I'm only 21 and I'm known to sleep 9-10 hrs a night! I wish I could sleep 7 or 8 as then I could get so much done. my other issue is this: I go to sleep a bit later and later every night until eventually i am going to bed at 2 ro 3 or 6 am (about 2 now) and getting up at 9 or 8 once in a while for business is tough!!! Funny thing is though that soon I'll need to be up early REGULARLY due to business. HELP!

the only solution would be to get to bed at the same time each nite