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[nygiants]

wk 1-6 dbol 25mg/day
sus 500mg/wk
wk 7-12 sus 750mg/wk

Wk 1-12 arimidex at 0.5mg EOD

PCT

Week 13-16: HCG 500IU's e3d
20mg Nolva ed for 4 weeks, 14 days after last shot.

Ive done cycles such as the above a few times with success but what I have noticed is about 6 weeks after my PCT I crash. My natural test levels are low. I had them tested 2x. I wrote in on a different post about my crashing and keeping your gains. Many of you suggest HRT, which I essentially interpreted as "simply staying on test to bridge to your next cycle). i.e. 200mg of test Cyp or E.

So if this is the case. Im guessing from week 17 until my next cycle i would add 200mg of test a week.

ie

wk 1-6 dbol 25mg/day
sus 500mg/wk
wk 7-12 sus 750mg/wk

Wk 1-12 arimidex at 0.5mg EOD

PCT

Week 13-16: HCG 500IU's e3d
20mg Nolva ed for 4 weeks, 14 days after last shot.

wk 17 - 33 (16 weeks)......4 months on = 4 months off
200mg test-cyp

wk 34...start my next cycle


make sense?

I would hope that this methodology would prevent me from crashing and losing my gains from the 1st cycle. What are the risks of me not coming off? 200mg seems low/week but should be enough from preventing a total crash. I guess I have 2 fears. 1. I would not longer be able to produce my own test (i just got married and we want to have kids down the road). 2. Other health risks such as high cholesterol.

Should I be taking anything else besides the test in weeks 17-34?

 

[RADAR]

wk 1-6 dbol 25mg/day
sus 500mg/wk
wk 7-12 sus 750mg/wk

Wk 1-12 arimidex at 0.5mg EOD

PCT

Week 13-16: HCG 500IU's e3d
20mg Nolva ed for 4 weeks, 14 days after last shot.

Ive done cycles such as the above a few times with success but what I have noticed is about 6 weeks after my PCT I crash. My natural test levels are low. I had them tested 2x. I wrote in on a different post about my crashing and keeping your gains. Many of you suggest HRT, which I essentially interpreted as "simply staying on test to bridge to your next cycle). i.e. 200mg of test Cyp or E.

So if this is the case. Im guessing from week 17 until my next cycle i would add 200mg of test a week.

ie

wk 1-6 dbol 25mg/day
sus 500mg/wk
wk 7-12 sus 750mg/wk

Wk 1-12 arimidex at 0.5mg EOD

PCT

Week 13-16: HCG 500IU's e3d
20mg Nolva ed for 4 weeks, 14 days after last shot.

wk 17 - 33 (16 weeks)......4 months on = 4 months off
200mg test-cyp

wk 34...start my next cycle


make sense?

I would hope that this methodology would prevent me from crashing and losing my gains from the 1st cycle. What are the risks of me not coming off? 200mg seems low/week but should be enough from preventing a total crash. I guess I have 2 fears. 1. I would not longer be able to produce my own test (i just got married and we want to have kids down the road). 2. Other health risks such as high cholesterol.

Should I be taking anything else besides the test in weeks 17-34?

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[joe d]

imo dont raise the test dose. keep it at 500 or 750 from the start. 200mg may be high. trt is putting your test levels in normal range. anything more is adding to health risk. get tested after a couple months of it and see where you are at. pct also looks week to me. but that is person dependant.

 

[svedenmaster]

good cycle,but think to add deca or bold

 

[nygiants]

imo dont raise the test dose. keep it at 500 or 750 from the start. 200mg may be high. trt is putting your test levels in normal range. anything more is adding to health risk. get tested after a couple months of it and see where you are at. pct also looks week to me. but that is person dependant.

what is considered at normal range?

 

[thelocal]

Diet cardio,and take some herbal natty cholesterol supps and you should be fine

 

[joe d]

what is considered at normal range?

its a wide range. normal for you to be exact would be where you would be now without ever using steroids. but 200-1200 roughly is the normal range. it is mainly age dependant. if you google search you should find charts.

 

[joe d]

the best aproach to trt for people not going to a doctor or having tests done (which is verry risky) is to start low 50mg ew of e or c. if you feal ok and have your normal sexual function and do not suffer sides than you are good. if you are having problems after a few weaks then bump the dose by 25mg then wait another couple weaks to see and so on. this is in my opinion stupid to do but its a lot safer than just picking some insane 400mg dose to stay on and call it trt.

 

[nygiants]

the best aproach to trt for people not going to a doctor or having tests done (which is verry risky) is to start low 50mg ew of e or c. if you feal ok and have your normal sexual function and do not suffer sides than you are good. if you are having problems after a few weaks then bump the dose by 25mg then wait another couple weaks to see and so on. this is in my opinion stupid to do but its a lot safer than just picking some insane 400mg dose to stay on and call it trt.

Understood......but my issues when im off are the crashing....BF goes up..lose size /strength. everything else is fine...libido, etc. what is 50mg gonna do to prevent crashing?

 

[DJ_UFO]

Understood......but my issues when im off are the crashing....BF goes up..lose size /strength. everything else is fine...libido, etc. what is 50mg gonna do to prevent crashing?

If you mention haveing blood tests done showing low testosterone levels I strongly suggest you resarching about TRT. NO, is not what you guess it is. Don't just jump in 200mg/week as a bridge. What is 50mg gonna do to prevent crashing? well, simple; it will supply the testosterone you are not producing. But besides that, there are other factors that you must understand. Jump into the life extension, aging forum and start reading.

 

[nygiants]

my test level was 227 in between cycles earlier this year. ill be 39 next month. Here is a chart I found. According to it, my range is 270–1,080. Ideally where should I be in between cycles to prevent crashing?


Total testosterone for males Age Male

7 months to 9 years


Less than 30 ng/dL (less than 1.04 nmol/L)

10–13 years


1–619 ng/dL (0.04–21.48 nmol/L)

14–15 years


100–540 ng/dL (3.47–18.74 nmol/L)

16–19 years


200–970 ng/dL (6.94–33.66 nmol/L)

20–39 years


270–1,080 ng/dL (9.00–37.48 nmol/L)

40–59 years


350–890 ng/dL (12.15–30.88 nmol/ L)

60 years and older


350–720 ng/dL (12.15–24.98 nmol/L)