Sides not worth it

[BEEFCAKEZ]

Hey guys

22 year old here. 2nd cycle. Was kinda hesitant about going too heavy on the juice this time, but i wanted gains so I thought what the hell and hopped on a decent cycle. Here was the plan:

1-12 Test E 400 mg ew
2-4 Tren E 200 mg ew
4-12 Tren E 400 ew
1-4 Tbol 40 mg ed
6-10 Tbol 50 mg ed
Hcggenerate throughout cycle (4-5 caps ed) and for pct. Plus some post cycle, nolva and maybe unleashed for pct.

Curently at 2nd week after first tren shot. Though I would keep it low to see how the sides would come along. Tried a few shots of tren ace in the past, but sides were too heavy for me back then. Anyway, back to this cycle.

2 days after first tren e shot and i allready feel like shit. Insomnia, night sweats, shortness of breath, loss of appetite and kinda shut down. Thought is would take a little longer for the tren to work? Or could it been sides from the test? Never felt like this on test before..

Anyway, juicing heavy isnt worth it for me. Will I still see decent gains if i drop the test to 250 ew, drop the tren completely and keep popping tbols? Don't want too much test bloat either..

I know im young, please dont give me the lecture...

 

[obsessedwliftin]

Tren is a very strong and very harsh aas. Actually from the sides you are describing it sounds like you have some good tren. However not recommended for a second cycle. IMO you will see gains on just test with the tbol. Oh yeah and NO nolva with tren Ever!

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[kkklick]

I'm 22 as well, why do people say not to juice at this age? Seems like the right time. As far as your problem if you're running the same test and having dif sides it's most likely from the tren.

 

[Arabian]

Tren is a very strong and very harsh aas. Actually from the sides you are describing it sounds like you have some good tren. However not recommended for a second cycle. IMO you will see gains on just test with the tbol. Oh yeah and NO nolva with tren Ever!

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^^^^Good advice right here. Drop the Tren and run your Test / Tbol and build yourself up. Use this time to dial in your diet and training and the rest will come together. Tren is extremely harsh and you have to be in tune with your body to notice and overcome the sides. Best of luck to you.

 

[BEEFCAKEZ]

Thanks guys. Currently laying in bed NOT sleeping, thinking about all kinds of stupid shit..

How long before it clears?

 

[stevesmi]

I'm 22 as well, why do people say not to juice at this age? Seems like the right time. .

1. lack of experience/knowledge (i'm talking about knowing your own body)
2. risk of ruining your HPTA at a young age (you already have strong test levels, why mess with it and risk ruining it and having to go on TRT?) 3. if you run tren/deca you can expect libido issues after cycle
4. 22 is still young, compare a 30 year olds picture to when he was 22. you will see a man vs. a boy in those pics. the strongest dudes at my gym are in their mid 40's so whats the rush?

yes there are plenty of guys on here who had to go on TRT in their 20's, what a waste of your bodies natural production of test. RADAR (who is my personal mentor as well as for dozens of others) is 60 and still cycles because he waited till he was 30 to do steroids and understood his body before touching roids. he experimented with things like tren and learned from his mistakes without causing damage to his body. Nelson another godfather of this site did not touch roids till his 40's... so even though 21 is the age we like to see everyone before juicing, personally I recommend people wait till they are 25 or 26+ ... i waited till 29 myself.

 

[stevesmi]

Hey guys

22 year old here. 2nd cycle. Was kinda hesitant about going too heavy on the juice this time, but i wanted gains so I thought what the hell and hopped on a decent cycle. Here was the plan:

1-12 Test E 400 mg ew
2-4 Tren E 200 mg ew
4-12 Tren E 400 ew
1-4 Tbol 40 mg ed
6-10 Tbol 50 mg ed
Hcggenerate throughout cycle (4-5 caps ed) and for pct. Plus some post cycle, nolva and maybe unleashed for pct.

Curently at 2nd week after first tren shot. Though I would keep it low to see how the sides would come along. Tried a few shots of tren ace in the past, but sides were too heavy for me back then. Anyway, back to this cycle.

2 days after first tren e shot and i allready feel like shit. Insomnia, night sweats, shortness of breath, loss of appetite and kinda shut down. Thought is would take a little longer for the tren to work? Or could it been sides from the test? Never felt like this on test before..

Anyway, juicing heavy isnt worth it for me. Will I still see decent gains if i drop the test to 250 ew, drop the tren completely and keep popping tbols? Don't want too much test bloat either..

I know im young, please dont give me the lecture...

the title of this thread sums it up. the sides are not worth it, if you are not getting enough sleep, being de-hydrated and feeling tired all the time from the high bp than you will not be able to put in good workouts. tren isn't for everyone. i ran tren and slept well, either drop your dosage or just run something like primo (which has very little sides) instead.

and yes testosterone can also give you plenty of sides as well.. the aromatization comes with a host of side effects.

 

[gstacker]

i recently read that tren made from pellets (home brew or kits) is usually alot worse for sides....not sure how true that is since i dont make the stuff but ive ran it a few times...the worst is the insomnia for me

 

[CSB]

Thanks guys. Currently laying in bed NOT sleeping, thinking about all kinds of stupid shit..

How long before it clears?

they guys have pretty much summed it up, but excessive sides after 2nd day on tren e , are you sure its not acetate ? if by luck it is it will clear soon if not it will take a week or so .

as for age question, pretty much what everyone has said as well as the fact that your endocrine system only fully matures round 25 (this is hotly debated by some lol)

 

[Ox-Sandra-Loan]

Tren is really strong. And the whole thing about time to "kick in" is a myth. You inject tren enanthate, and it is in your system. If you are sensitive to tren, you will start feeling it within a day or 2. I did tren E once (never again) and had the insomnia and shortness of breath within a day or two.
As a side note, I know tbol is fairly mild on the body, but that still seems like a long time to run an oral to me....be careful. Some N2guard is probably a good idea.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hey guys

22 year old here. 2nd cycle. Was kinda hesitant about going too heavy on the juice this time, but i wanted gains so I thought what the hell and hopped on a decent cycle. Here was the plan:

1-12 Test E 400 mg ew
2-4 Tren E 200 mg ew
4-12 Tren E 400 ew
1-4 Tbol 40 mg ed
6-10 Tbol 50 mg ed
Hcggenerate throughout cycle (4-5 caps ed) and for pct. Plus some post cycle, nolva and maybe unleashed for pct.

Curently at 2nd week after first tren shot. Though I would keep it low to see how the sides would come along. Tried a few shots of tren ace in the past, but sides were too heavy for me back then. Anyway, back to this cycle.

2 days after first tren e shot and i allready feel like shit. Insomnia, night sweats, shortness of breath, loss of appetite and kinda shut down. Thought is would take a little longer for the tren to work? Or could it been sides from the test? Never felt like this on test before..

Anyway, juicing heavy isnt worth it for me. Will I still see decent gains if i drop the test to 250 ew, drop the tren completely and keep popping tbols? Don't want too much test bloat either..

I know im young, please dont give me the lecture...

To an old timer like me, posts like this make me very sad.

A casualty or idiot internet information.

Do you realize that 200 mgs of test will give you levels above anyone beyond the most genetically elite? Do you know that Mr Olympia winners in the 70's took 25 mgs of dbol? You're taking four times what I took to prepare for the NPC Championship.

Hell, with the supplements available today, 20 mgs of tbol and 400 mgs of Primo with some BIG BLAST and you'll be growing like a fucking weed.

 

[Blissfam10]

Thanks guys. Currently laying in bed NOT sleeping, thinking about all kinds of stupid shit..

How long before it clears?

Dude I would just suck it up what I have to do take two unisom hr before bed helps u fall asleep and stay asleep even with the night sweats and just fight threw the rest and make urself eat that's my hardest part. We all know how shitty the sides are from it but we also know how great the results are that's why we do it.

 

[BEEFCAKEZ]

Decided to drop the cycle completely and heal up before I jump on test and tbol again. Save the tren for later. Will just keep popping tbol for another week and then let it all go out of my system and run some serious hcggenerate with some post cycle and unleashed. Keeping food and protein high, and then drop some calories after a months pct..

Strange how tren enth kicked in so quickly tho?

 

[stevesmi]

Dude I would just suck it up what I have to do take two unisom hr before bed helps u fall asleep and stay asleep even with the night sweats and just fight threw the rest and make urself eat that's my hardest part. We all know how shitty the sides are from it but we also know how great the results are that's why we do it.

unisom is habit forming.. if you want to be hooked on sleeping pills for the rest of your life by all means go for it.

the results are not good if your sides are too high. they are counter productive. you need sleep to speed up muscle recovery.

people need to learn to listen to their bodies.. if your bp is sky high, then you need to lower the dosage. if you cannot sleep then you need to get rid of tren. this attitude of just dealing with it and then taking more drugs to combat those sides is lack of experience.

 

[CSB]

I have always held the belief that a cycle or use of AAS should be a positive addition to ones life, one that increases or improves strength , results , drive, focus , libido etc in a positive manner , if it starts to detract from that , or cause pain for yourself and those around you then its not worth it.

 

[snorkles]

I dont know where all these Tren sides come from. I have started from 300mg per week Tren Ace and have gone up to 900mg Tren ace per week. And I feel good... ok sweating is a bitch but not the kind of sides that will make you stop the cycle.. :S