Should it be Estrogen Rage instead of Roid Rage?

[curling]

Little girl,

Got me thinking when she responded to my I wish a hadn't shot my wife up with that test. Little girl said so test is the reason guys act the way they do.

I think the reason guys get mad and bitchy when on test is the raised estrogen levels not the test. I think that is why my wife got bitchier on the test because of her raised estrogen level do to having more test in her body.

Same when chicks pms they get bitchy and more emotional. So test may be the cause higher estrogen but the estrogen is the cause of the rage not test.

Am I right or am I wrong?

 

[Weam]

First of all there is nothing called Roid rage and studies proved that
secondly, it's all mentally when you just get stronger and larger you acts more aggressive

 

[GinNJuice]

I don't have any data to back your theory (maybe some bro's out there do), but I tend to agree with that theory.


I used to notice that I experienced more road-rage when doing a cycle of test.

But on my current cycle, I've started using arimidex with heavy test and anadrol, and I have had NO road-rage, and maybe less road-rage than when I'm off cycle.

This could be because I have less estrogen in my system

 

[curling]

I'm just saying they should call it estrogen rage because it does make you bitchier. I mean they are going to call it something why not call it what it is. Test doesn't make you bitchier it just makes you more aggressive, stonger and confident.

Thinking back I still don't know why I gave my wife those test shots. That is all I need a pms bitchy women that is strong, more agressive and confident. What was I thinking? Oh yea, more sex. Happens every time you think with the head between your legs instead of on your head poor decisions.

 

[trial0r]

actually it has been scientifically proven, that pure hormonal testosterone is responsible for aggression in men. even on a normal level, without juice, men are clearly more aggressive than women. surges of testosterone in the body release chemicals in the brain, and deliver aggressive and hostile feelings throughout the body. when cycling, i have a much shorter fuse than normally.

 

[bigkraut]

Guys, I still think it (rage) is predicated on the emotional make up of the individual. I have what can best be described as ice water in my veins. I am just not predisposed to having fits of rage. However, higher strung people may find it harder to control their emotions while loaded up on androgens. I still think an individuals age has some bearing. I think some younger guys are just less disciplined emotionally than older ones.

 

[Weam]

Read

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that's all on roid rage with medical reference

 

[PimpnAintEasy]

I think the reason guys get mad and bitchy when on test is the raised estrogen levels not the test. I think that is why my wife got bitchier on the test because of her raised estrogen level do to having more test in her body.

Same when chicks pms they get bitchy and more emotional. So test may be the cause higher estrogen but the estrogen is the cause of the rage not test.

Am I right or am I wrong?

I believe you are wrong and your experience with PMS & women must be much worse than mine. First of all, if increased rage or aggressive behavior were the result of aromatazation to estrogen, non-aromatizing AS like Halo & Fina would not have any of this behavior associated with it, and Cheque Drops, maybe the most notorious producer of this effect, would not be so fast acting.

Clearly, there is a connection between Androgens and aggressive behavior. There was a study conducted on violent offenders, and it was found they had a higher baseline of natural Test than the overall male pop. Also, you can predict female aggressive behavior in animals by knowing the ratio of androgens present relative to the males of the species (eg hyenas).

 

[BTL]

I agree with Pimpin

 

[Perry]

Sorry guys, but that reasoning is fallacious.
The study showed violent offenders had higher test levels. This Does Not mean that guys with higher levels are Violent!
( their usually bigger too,,,do you think that being big makes you a murderer!?! ) same logic, or lack thereof.
Read Weams links above for info.
If you need more, I'll try an locate an post.

When my test levels were low, btw I sometimes "fly off" at people, yell, get angry at nothing, eerr, same things I tell my wife to "relax" over!! It is estrogen in my opinion. When I'm on, I feel better, confident, more relaxed in normal situations. Its now proven that low test causes lots of real physical problems that replacement helps fight from heart disease to osteoporosis to depression. Is it just coincidence that women get Far more depression than men?
Think! I know the research hasn't been done, but even lots of MD's question why as men age, and test decreases, an estrogen rises, prostate an heart problems go up. If not, it'd be the 18 year olds having heart attacks an prostate problems.

 

[PimpnAintEasy]

Sorry guys, but that reasoning is fallacious.
The study showed violent offenders had higher test levels. This Does Not mean that guys with higher levels are Violent!
( their usually bigger too,,,do you think that being big makes you a murderer!?! ) same logic, or lack thereof.
When my test levels were low, btw I sometimes "fly off" at people, yell, get angry at nothing, eerr, same things I tell my wife to "relax" over!! It is estrogen in my opinion. When I'm on, I feel better, confident, more relaxed in normal situations. Its now proven that low test causes lots of real physical problems that replacement helps fight from heart disease to osteoporosis to depression. Is it just coincidence that women get Far more depression than men?

Violent offenders are bigger????! What do you base that on? Fear?

Roid rage and tendencies towards aggressive behavior are 2 different things. I agree that "roid rage" is just an excuse to display inappropriate behavior, however androgen levels do absolutely affect propensities towards violence and aggression. If estrogen makes you rage, then why aren't more crimes being committed by overly emotional fat chicks. Hang out with a bunch of guys with high test levels; prisons, football lockerrooms, etc., tell me there isn't more aggressive behavior being displayed than at an old lady's tea parties where the estrogen levels are raging I'm sure. Are you aware that chemical castration is being mulled over as a way to treat violent offenders? I don't think this will address their rampant estrogen levels that according to you causes their rage. It is more than a coincidence that the majority of violent crime in America is committed by boys/men in the 16-25 age group.

BTW, female depression has a hell of alot more to do with serotonin levels than estrogen levels.

 

[Omega44]

u know what? it pissess me off when people are so nieve toward roid rage. YES IT DOES EXIST!!! wtf u dening it? what ur telling me u act just as calm and relaxed when ur not on a cycle then as u do when ur doing halo test and tren?? no fuckn way! u snap alot faster and easyer when ur on juice. and when u snap its called roid rage. cause its induced from the steroids.

 

[JayisCrazy]

You on a little RAGE right now Omega?
Cheers,
Jay

 

[Perry]

Ok, I'll try again, and I'll refrain from flaming attacks:
Fear?,,,not hardly, but most of the "violent offenders" in prison or as mentioned, locker rooms are bigger! you agree I'm sure.
Also, MOST IMPORTANT, we need to distinguish between "roid rage" and aggression.
I Wholeheartedly agree juice increases aggression! All studies I've seen support this, but this isn't rage. Rage is when you lose control and act crazy. Most of the people I know, while very (ahem) "assertive", ARE in control. And except for the TV news BS, there are NO,,,
I Repeat NO!! scientific studies that support roid rage.
The ones that have been done CANNOT find it. (see Weams links above, an heres another with an excerpt)

The negative psychological and behavioral effects of AAS, commonly known as "'roid rage," seem to be accepted as a proven fact in popular, nonscientific literature;33 however, there is little conclusive proof that supports this presumption. Once again, such effects appear to occur in cases involving 17-alpha-alkylated steroids, but not in cases involving 17-beta-estrified steroids.34 Furthermore, the existing studies cannot account for the pre-steroid tendencies of individual users with respect to violence and aggression, nor can they account for the psychological "placebo effect" that may occur from an AAS user's expectations of heightened aggression. A detailed critique of those studies, and flaws in their methodology, can be found in a recent Meso-Rx article by Jack Darkes, an expert in the psychology of drug use.35 At best, we can conclude that "'roid rage," to the extent that it exists, may be limited to specific varieties of AAS, and that such hyper-aggressive states may well be the result of preexisting tendencies or predetermined expectations of the user.

I'm sorry to make an issue of this, but it fuckin pisses me off!!! Whenever I try to make a point in conversation, business, etc., if the person knows I juice, I'm accused of "to much testosterone"!!! If they don't, its never an issue.

And finally, its not the question of why women aren't the more violent, ( although theres a couple I know,,,,,,,,,,,,),

Its the effect it has on us. This ones currently unprovable, so I'm not going here again,,,just an opinion,,time will tell maybe.

 

[YellowD]

I don't think roid rage necessarily exist. I tend to refer to it as steroid facilitated aggression. Simply, roid rage implies a disassociation with ones personality (for instance, a usually quiet individual may have the same sort of anger on steroids as a person with a naturally aggressive personality would), while the other suggests steroids simply adding fuel to the fire as you will.

 

[PimpnAintEasy]

Someone define roid rage for me. If it is the predisposition to be aggressive/ violent/ ect. then I agree AS certainly gives me those tendencies and a hell of a lot of guys I know. If roid rage is acting out your rage with violence (this is the definition I was supposing was meant) then it's IMO an individual's lack of self-control that is the issue, not AS. Roid rage has been used as a self-defense claim in acts of criminal violence and has never been recognized by any court as a legitimate claim or basis for defense.

Those of us that have been using for a while all know, for the most part, Androgens will add aggression & confidence, & maybe even shorten our tempers & patience, but I don't think too many of us are completely at the mercy of our endocrine and other biochemical systems like animals are, there's always a choice to act responsible at some point of every confrontation.

 

[Perry]

PimpnAintEasy Someone define roid rage for me. If it is the predisposition to be aggressive/ violent/ etc.. then I agree AS certainly gives me those tendencies and a hell of a lot of guys I know. If roid rage is acting out your rage with violence (this is the definition I was supposing was meant) then it's IMO an individual's lack of self-control that is the issue, not AS. Roid rage has been used as a self-defense claim in acts of criminal violence and has never been recognized by any court as a legitimate claim or basis for defense.

now we agree, however theres no good definition bro, cause it doesn't exist except in the imaginations of TV reporters looking for a story.

an DCS,,,,I know what your saying, I've been there, but off roids as well!
The worst period I had for anger was when I'd been off everything for a long time and my test levels were very low,,,I found myself getting angry all the time and at stupid shit mostly. That's where a lot of my conclusions came from. Right now however, I'm almost mellow!!
Feels Goood!

 

[madmitch]

Curling has got a point,

trailor have never heard all the stories of women with really bad PMS who have knifed their partners?

These women become completely uncontrollable kicking, punching, bitting and using anything that they can find as a weapon.

Therefore estrogen could be a major factor.

However steroids also act by blocking cortisol receptors and studies have shown that men with low levels of cortisol are more Aggressive and Violent than men with high levels of cortisol.

Just thought I'd give you something else to think about.

 

[Perry]

DCS

you must understand I was making it very clear to the guy that I was ready to rip his head off and I was shouting in his ear with my head like only a couple of feet away from his head. I would never do that off of roids.

Look, far be it from me to try to tell you what you went thru was from. Just offering alternate suggestions is all. I will say though that I've been that angry on at least a few occasions both on an off, but that spans many years, so its a very infrequent thing thankfully. Anyway, I think this one beat to death by now! Peace.