Should georgie24 do Dermacrine?

[georgie24]

hehehe

im 2 weeks post last inject and starting to feel the withdrawl pangs lol...

i can either do standard PCT or try Dermacrine

help me choose so i can plan accordingly

( pct is on hand!)

also whats the TA on derma?????????

 

[needtogetaas]

what was your cycle and are you using hcg.

 

[muscleup]

Well apparently it cures cancer and many other ailments{Just kidding}...I personally will go with Clomid,Nolva, and HCG these are used by endo's{Real Doctors} who go to school for this type of stuff.

Not saying Dermacrine will not work however....I just try to stick to methods that have years of proven science behind them. Also they have never let me down in the past.

 

[georgie24]

i have HCG,nolva,PGCL ( going to wait on the PGCL tho)

clomid= no! because allergic to it!

who's HCG protocal should i use Nelsons or swales???

shit is so confusing lol... thats why i like to stay on!

 

[needtogetaas]

i have HCG,nolva,PGCL ( going to wait on the PGCL tho)

clomid= no! because allergic to it!

who's HCG protocal should i use Nelsons or swales???

shit is so confusing lol... thats why i like to stay on!

i would use hcg during cycle

 

[muscleup]

same here.....makes recovering WAY easier IMO.

i would use hcg during cycle

 

[Bruce]

i'd run hcg at the end of the cycle, i never let the testes get small i like using it during cycle as well. but if you haven't use it at the end while you are still on to bring them back to size. i would run 50mg clomid and 20mg of aromasin for pct, 20mg nolva ed can be used as well but its not necessary in my experience. run the clomid for 3-5 weeks. just like muscle i am not saying derma wouldn't work but i also use what doctors prescribe and what works for me period. if doctors start using derma i'll try it.

 

[needtogetaas]

i'd run hcg at the end of the cycle, i never let the testes get small i like using it during cycle as well. but if you haven't use it at the end while you are still on to bring them back to size. i would run 50mg clomid and 20mg of aromasin for pct, 20mg nolva ed can be used as well but its not necessary in my experience. run the clomid for 3-5 weeks. just like muscle i am not saying derma wouldn't work but i also use what doctors prescribe and what works for me period. if doctors start using derma i'll try it.

he cant use clomid bro.it makes his throat close up and gives him bad sides.

 

[Stryker1992]

what was your cycle and are you using hcg.

Bro, tell me more about this hcg + derma stuff.

 

[capo status]

i would give derma a try, nolva and hcg with no clomid is bad idea

 

[muscleup]

then Nolva will work as well....I do not believe in running an AI during PCT as if you run one correctly when you are cycling estrogen should be low enough to start with....Lowering it even further during PCT could prevent recovery IMO and experience.

he cant use clomid bro.it makes his throat close up and gives him bad sides.

 

[Stryker1992]

hehehe

im 2 weeks post last inject and starting to feel the withdrawl pangs lol...

i can either do standard PCT or try Dermacrine

help me choose so i can plan accordingly

( pct is on hand!)

also whats the TA on derma?????????

Rub it on your vag! LOL!!!! just kidding bro! I am going to try it myself!

 

[needtogetaas]

then Nolva will work as well....I do not believe in running an AI during PCT as if you run one correctly when you are cycling estrogen should be low enough to start with....Lowering it even further during PCT could prevent recovery IMO and experience.

this statement sounds a bit contradicting to me.

 

[muscleup]

AI meaning,Aromasin,Arimidex,Letro,etc.....Nolva,clomid,= SERM.

this statement sounds a bit contradicting to me.

 

[SpyWizard]

Well apparently it cures cancer and many other ailments{Just kidding}...I personally will go with Clomid,Nolva, and HCG these are used by endo's{Real Doctors} who go to school for this type of stuff.

Not saying Dermacrine will not work however....I just try to stick to methods that have years of proven science behind them. Also they have never let me down in the past.

yea, so what you lose your eyesight, you make your testicles insensitive to HCG, and you walk around like a bitch..

and you aren't seeing a doctor.. but hey, it works.. eventually, you might have to run it for 2-3 months, depends on how old you are, how long your cycle was and how you respond to the chemical's..

soo good luck with that..

Dermacream, and the other products are being produced because people want an alternative that works..

And something that won't put you in jail for having possession of a prescription drug without the script.. but hey, you just finished injecting a controlled substance for the last 10-26 weeks.. so what does it matter..

just saying, not picking on anyone here..

 

[muscleup]

and thats fine....Alternatives are great !!!....but I will use what is PROVEN IN SCIENCE....and yes I do go to a Doc so thanks very much, and I have a script as well.

I never said Dermacrine did not work....I have not used it to make judgement on it, Im just stating what has worked for me and countless other in the community.

yea, so what you lose your eyesight, you make your testicles insensitive to HCG, and you walk around like a bitch..

and you aren't seeing a doctor.. but hey, it works.. eventually, you might have to run it for 2-3 months, depends on how old you are, how long your cycle was and how you respond to the chemical's..

soo good luck with that..

Dermacream, and the other products are being produced because people want an alternative that works..

And something that won't put you in jail for having possession of a prescription drug without the script.. but hey, you just finished injecting a controlled substance for the last 10-26 weeks.. so what does it matter..

just saying, not picking on anyone here..

 

[needtogetaas]

AI meaning,Aromasin,Arimidex,Letro,etc.....Nolva,clomid,= SERM.

so you were talking about nelsons theory...I thought you were saying nolva was a ai.lol

 

[muscleup]

gotcha ... no thats not want I meant....I actually run clomid and Nolva together and it always workes great for me.

so you were talking about nelsons theory...I thought you were saying nolva was a ai.lol

 

[Stryker1992]

gotcha ... no thats not want I meant....I actually run clomid and Nolva together and it always workes great for me.

WTF do you know you asswipe!

Just kidding, I wanted to get in on the act!

ROTFLMAO!!!!

 

[needtogetaas]

and thats fine....Alternatives are great !!!....but I will use what is PROVEN IN SCIENCE....and yes I do go to a Doc so thanks very much, and I have a script as well.

I never said Dermacrine did not work....I have not used it to make judgement on it, Im just stating what has worked for me and coutless other in the community.

well derma has worked for people and its will keep working for people who use it.
so I guess some things just take time.

 

[muscleup]

yeah thats cool....Like I said if it works then great !!!. However you can't ignore what is used in the scientific community and what is proven for years and years to restore HPTA function.

That would be insane...I'm all for alternatives.

well derma has worked for people and its will keep working for people who use it.
so I guess some things just take time.

 

[muscleup]

LMAO....Hi ya fucker

WTF do you know you asswipe!

Just kidding, I wanted to get in on the act!

ROTFLMAO!!!!

 

[georgie24]

just started cyclofenil TODAY!

 

[SpyWizard]

and thats fine....Alternatives are great !!!....but I will use what is PROVEN IN SCIENCE....and yes I do go to a Doc so thanks very much, and I have a script as well.

I never said Dermacrine did not work....I have not used it to make judgement on it, Im just stating what has worked for me and countless other in the community.

I didn't say you didn't.. how's your eyesight???

I have used nova/clomid/hcg for 5 cycles, still new to BB really,. but still, there has to be a better solution than losing my eyesight a little after each pct..

 

[georgie24]

they say cyclofenil is like HCG/clomid in one, without the clomid sides

whats the TA on derma?

this is second time i ask

 

[MegaDesel]

I didn't say you didn't.. how's your eyesight???

I have used nova/clomid/hcg for 5 cycles, still new to BB really,. but still, there has to be a better solution than losing my eyesight a little after each pct..

Whats with the eyesight comment..... Are you suggesting nova/clomid/hcg is ruining your vision, if so guess thats news to me LOL.

 

[georgie24]

Clomid blurrs vision in ALOT of people including me

permanent? maybe....

Im not going to risk it

 

[Primordial Performance]

they say cyclofenil is like HCG/clomid in one, without the clomid sides

whats the TA on derma?

this is second time i ask

Like 2-3 days... overnight if you choose express.

-Pp

 

[georgie24]

thank you

 

[needtogetaas]

thank you

ya they are pretty fast.

 

[Mrpumped]

and thats fine....Alternatives are great !!!....but I will use what is PROVEN IN SCIENCE....and yes I do go to a Doc so thanks very much, and I have a script as well.

I never said Dermacrine did not work....I have not used it to make judgement on it, Im just stating what has worked for me and countless other in the community.

Brother, don't you know it is futile to use science and what's been proven against a bunch of supplement pushers? It seems that way to me. And no matter what we say they will come back with all types of combattery responses because the young guys today know more than experience and proven science.

 

[needtogetaas]

Brother, don't you know it is futile to use science and what's been proven against a bunch of supplement pushers? It seems that way to me. And no matter what we say they will come back with all types of combattery responses because the young guys today know more than experience and proven science.

so your saying derma has no science behind it.lol and as we can see its being proven.so what are you really saying here.

 

[Primordial Performance]

I personally have plenty of experience with clomid and nolva and Im well aware of the science. In fact, Here is a little “science” for your inspection –

Nolva causing endometrial cancer -

Tamoxifen treatment and its consequences
Adrian Shulman, Ilan Cohen, Ron Maymon, and Marco M. Altaras
Hum. Reprod., Aug 1995; 10: 2174 - 2175

Clomid and Nolva toxic to the liver while causing DNA mutation -

Epigenetic reprogramming of liver cells in tamoxifen-induced rat hepatocarcinogenesis.
VP Tryndyak, O Kovalchuk, L Muskhelishvili, B Montgomery, R Rodriguez-Juarez, S Melnyk, SA Ross, FA Beland, and IP Pogribny
Mol Carcinog, Mar 2007; 46(3): 187-97

Biotransformation of the Antiestrogen Clomiphene to Chemically Reactive Metabolites in the Immature Female Rat
Peter C. Ruenitz, Richard F. Arrendale, Garry D. George, Carolyn B. Thompson, Corwin M. Mokler, and Nitin T. Nanavati
Cancer Res., Aug 1987; 47: 4015 - 4019.

Antiestrogens and the formation of DNA damage in rats: a comparison.
Kim SY, Suzuki N, Laxmi YR, Umemoto A, Matsuda T, Shibutani S.
Chem Res Toxicol. 2006 Jun;19(6):852-8.

Activation of 4-hydroxytamoxifen and the tamoxifen derivative metabolite E by uterine peroxidase to form DNA adducts: Comparison with DNA adducts formed in the uterus of Sprague-Dawley rats treated with tamoxifen
Deena N. Pathak, Krisztina Pongracz, and William J. Bodell
Carcinogenesis, Sep 1996; 17: 1785 - 1790

Activation of the Tamoxifen Derivative Metabolite E to Form DNA Adducts: Comparison with the Adducts Formed by Microsomal Activation of Tamoxifen
Krisztina Pongracz, Deena N. Pathak, Takemichi Nakamura, Alma L. Burlingame, and William J. Bodell
Cancer Res., Jul 1995; 55: 3012 - 3015.

Clomid causing birth defects -

Teratogenic effects of clomiphene, tamoxifen, and diethylstilbestrol on the developing human female genital tract.
GR Cunha, O Taguchi, R Namikawa, Y Nishizuka, and SJ Robboy
Hum Pathol, Nov 1987; 18(11): 1132-43.

Nolva hurting fertility -

Effects of tamoxifen on the fertility of male rats
MK Gill-Sharma, K Gopalkrishnan, N Balasinor, P Parte, S Jayaraman, and HS Juneja
J Reprod Fertil, Nov 1993; 99: 395.

Effect of chronic administration of Tamoxifen on fertility in male bonnet monkeys (Macaca radiata).
AJ Rao, SG Ramachandra, V Ramesh, HN Krishnamurthy, S Jayaraman, K Gopalakrishnan, and HS Juneja
Andrologia, May 1998; 30(3): 129-32.

 

[needtogetaas]

I personally have plenty of experience with clomid and nolva and Im well aware of the science. In fact, Here is a little “science” for your inspection –

Nolva causing endometrial cancer -

Tamoxifen treatment and its consequences
Adrian Shulman, Ilan Cohen, Ron Maymon, and Marco M. Altaras
Hum. Reprod., Aug 1995; 10: 2174 - 2175

Clomid and Nolva toxic to the liver while causing DNA mutation -

Epigenetic reprogramming of liver cells in tamoxifen-induced rat hepatocarcinogenesis.
VP Tryndyak, O Kovalchuk, L Muskhelishvili, B Montgomery, R Rodriguez-Juarez, S Melnyk, SA Ross, FA Beland, and IP Pogribny
Mol Carcinog, Mar 2007; 46(3): 187-97

Biotransformation of the Antiestrogen Clomiphene to Chemically Reactive Metabolites in the Immature Female Rat
Peter C. Ruenitz, Richard F. Arrendale, Garry D. George, Carolyn B. Thompson, Corwin M. Mokler, and Nitin T. Nanavati
Cancer Res., Aug 1987; 47: 4015 - 4019.

Antiestrogens and the formation of DNA damage in rats: a comparison.
Kim SY, Suzuki N, Laxmi YR, Umemoto A, Matsuda T, Shibutani S.
Chem Res Toxicol. 2006 Jun;19(6):852-8.

Activation of 4-hydroxytamoxifen and the tamoxifen derivative metabolite E by uterine peroxidase to form DNA adducts: Comparison with DNA adducts formed in the uterus of Sprague-Dawley rats treated with tamoxifen
Deena N. Pathak, Krisztina Pongracz, and William J. Bodell
Carcinogenesis, Sep 1996; 17: 1785 - 1790

Activation of the Tamoxifen Derivative Metabolite E to Form DNA Adducts: Comparison with the Adducts Formed by Microsomal Activation of Tamoxifen
Krisztina Pongracz, Deena N. Pathak, Takemichi Nakamura, Alma L. Burlingame, and William J. Bodell
Cancer Res., Jul 1995; 55: 3012 - 3015.

Clomid causing birth defects -

Teratogenic effects of clomiphene, tamoxifen, and diethylstilbestrol on the developing human female genital tract.
GR Cunha, O Taguchi, R Namikawa, Y Nishizuka, and SJ Robboy
Hum Pathol, Nov 1987; 18(11): 1132-43.

Nolva hurting fertility -

Effects of tamoxifen on the fertility of male rats
MK Gill-Sharma, K Gopalkrishnan, N Balasinor, P Parte, S Jayaraman, and HS Juneja
J Reprod Fertil, Nov 1993; 99: 395.

Effect of chronic administration of Tamoxifen on fertility in male bonnet monkeys (Macaca radiata).
AJ Rao, SG Ramachandra, V Ramesh, HN Krishnamurthy, S Jayaraman, K Gopalakrishnan, and HS Juneja
Andrologia, May 1998; 30(3): 129-32.

ya I was taken back my the science comment lol.derma boost and sustain both have plenty of science behind it.years of it in fact.

 

[lartinos]

Many of the vets on this board are ignorant to the effects of dermacrine, me being one myself. I will probably eventually take the plunge........if I ever come off lol. And if this stuff is great or bullshit I'll surely tell you the truth.

 

[needtogetaas]

Many of the vets on this board are ignorant to the effects of dermacrine, me being one myself. I will probably eventually take the plunge........if I ever come off lol. And if this stuff is great or bullshit I'll surely tell you the truth.

and you dame well better.if its bull shit I want to here about it.I dont want to here from the people that have never used it or the people that dont even kno wtf is in i but are just bashing it because they dont like me,dont like change or what ever.know what the fuck you are talking about,try it,or just stfu.thats what I say.

 

[needtogetaas]

Bro, tell me more about this hcg + derma stuff.

lol

 

[mm107]

of course you should =]

but in all honesty, i actually do want to run it as my main supplement not in PCT, but ill be going on soon so i havta wait lol

 

[Mrpumped]

ya I was taken back my the science comment lol.derma boost and sustain both have plenty of science behind it.years of it in fact.

Excellent!! Now cut the price in half and I'll try it. Untill you do I'm not going to spend that kind of money for a 30 day supply.

 

[needtogetaas]

Excellent!! Now cut the price in half and I'll try it. Untill you do I'm not going to spend that kind of money for a 30 day supply.

there is a code for 10 dolor off code if you want it.

 

[jackangel]

combattery.

i got my bottle in 2-3 days.

 

[boston789]

combattery.

i got my bottle in 2-3 days.

Me too.

 

[the_clockwork]

try it.. let us know how it goes!

 

[georgie24]

still doing my clomidex

have PGCL on hand,

i need more info in this derma before i play with my hormone levels,,,,im feeling great weeks after last shot

 

[solidspine]

Dermacrine

Give it a try I am curious if it works, and if you live,


You did not get your gear for this cycle at the roid store did you?

 

[D_Mac]

still doing my clomidex

have PGCL on hand,

i need more info in this derma before i play with my hormone levels,,,,im feeling great weeks after last shot

If you want more info on it go check their site out, it's pretty informative. The product is new and the delivery system is new but the ingredients are not.

http://www.primordialperformance.com/ingredients.cfm