Should georgie24 do Dermacrine?

[Mrpumped]

and thats fine....Alternatives are great !!!....but I will use what is PROVEN IN SCIENCE....and yes I do go to a Doc so thanks very much, and I have a script as well.

I never said Dermacrine did not work....I have not used it to make judgement on it, Im just stating what has worked for me and countless other in the community.

Brother, don't you know it is futile to use science and what's been proven against a bunch of supplement pushers? It seems that way to me. And no matter what we say they will come back with all types of combattery responses because the young guys today know more than experience and proven science.

 

[needtogetaas]

Brother, don't you know it is futile to use science and what's been proven against a bunch of supplement pushers? It seems that way to me. And no matter what we say they will come back with all types of combattery responses because the young guys today know more than experience and proven science.

so your saying derma has no science behind it.lol and as we can see its being proven.so what are you really saying here.

 

[Primordial Performance]

I personally have plenty of experience with clomid and nolva and Im well aware of the science. In fact, Here is a little “science” for your inspection –

Nolva causing endometrial cancer -

Tamoxifen treatment and its consequences
Adrian Shulman, Ilan Cohen, Ron Maymon, and Marco M. Altaras
Hum. Reprod., Aug 1995; 10: 2174 - 2175

Clomid and Nolva toxic to the liver while causing DNA mutation -

Epigenetic reprogramming of liver cells in tamoxifen-induced rat hepatocarcinogenesis.
VP Tryndyak, O Kovalchuk, L Muskhelishvili, B Montgomery, R Rodriguez-Juarez, S Melnyk, SA Ross, FA Beland, and IP Pogribny
Mol Carcinog, Mar 2007; 46(3): 187-97

Biotransformation of the Antiestrogen Clomiphene to Chemically Reactive Metabolites in the Immature Female Rat
Peter C. Ruenitz, Richard F. Arrendale, Garry D. George, Carolyn B. Thompson, Corwin M. Mokler, and Nitin T. Nanavati
Cancer Res., Aug 1987; 47: 4015 - 4019.

Antiestrogens and the formation of DNA damage in rats: a comparison.
Kim SY, Suzuki N, Laxmi YR, Umemoto A, Matsuda T, Shibutani S.
Chem Res Toxicol. 2006 Jun;19(6):852-8.

Activation of 4-hydroxytamoxifen and the tamoxifen derivative metabolite E by uterine peroxidase to form DNA adducts: Comparison with DNA adducts formed in the uterus of Sprague-Dawley rats treated with tamoxifen
Deena N. Pathak, Krisztina Pongracz, and William J. Bodell
Carcinogenesis, Sep 1996; 17: 1785 - 1790

Activation of the Tamoxifen Derivative Metabolite E to Form DNA Adducts: Comparison with the Adducts Formed by Microsomal Activation of Tamoxifen
Krisztina Pongracz, Deena N. Pathak, Takemichi Nakamura, Alma L. Burlingame, and William J. Bodell
Cancer Res., Jul 1995; 55: 3012 - 3015.

Clomid causing birth defects -

Teratogenic effects of clomiphene, tamoxifen, and diethylstilbestrol on the developing human female genital tract.
GR Cunha, O Taguchi, R Namikawa, Y Nishizuka, and SJ Robboy
Hum Pathol, Nov 1987; 18(11): 1132-43.

Nolva hurting fertility -

Effects of tamoxifen on the fertility of male rats
MK Gill-Sharma, K Gopalkrishnan, N Balasinor, P Parte, S Jayaraman, and HS Juneja
J Reprod Fertil, Nov 1993; 99: 395.

Effect of chronic administration of Tamoxifen on fertility in male bonnet monkeys (Macaca radiata).
AJ Rao, SG Ramachandra, V Ramesh, HN Krishnamurthy, S Jayaraman, K Gopalakrishnan, and HS Juneja
Andrologia, May 1998; 30(3): 129-32.

 

[needtogetaas]

I personally have plenty of experience with clomid and nolva and Im well aware of the science. In fact, Here is a little “science” for your inspection –

Nolva causing endometrial cancer -

Tamoxifen treatment and its consequences
Adrian Shulman, Ilan Cohen, Ron Maymon, and Marco M. Altaras
Hum. Reprod., Aug 1995; 10: 2174 - 2175

Clomid and Nolva toxic to the liver while causing DNA mutation -

Epigenetic reprogramming of liver cells in tamoxifen-induced rat hepatocarcinogenesis.
VP Tryndyak, O Kovalchuk, L Muskhelishvili, B Montgomery, R Rodriguez-Juarez, S Melnyk, SA Ross, FA Beland, and IP Pogribny
Mol Carcinog, Mar 2007; 46(3): 187-97

Biotransformation of the Antiestrogen Clomiphene to Chemically Reactive Metabolites in the Immature Female Rat
Peter C. Ruenitz, Richard F. Arrendale, Garry D. George, Carolyn B. Thompson, Corwin M. Mokler, and Nitin T. Nanavati
Cancer Res., Aug 1987; 47: 4015 - 4019.

Antiestrogens and the formation of DNA damage in rats: a comparison.
Kim SY, Suzuki N, Laxmi YR, Umemoto A, Matsuda T, Shibutani S.
Chem Res Toxicol. 2006 Jun;19(6):852-8.

Activation of 4-hydroxytamoxifen and the tamoxifen derivative metabolite E by uterine peroxidase to form DNA adducts: Comparison with DNA adducts formed in the uterus of Sprague-Dawley rats treated with tamoxifen
Deena N. Pathak, Krisztina Pongracz, and William J. Bodell
Carcinogenesis, Sep 1996; 17: 1785 - 1790

Activation of the Tamoxifen Derivative Metabolite E to Form DNA Adducts: Comparison with the Adducts Formed by Microsomal Activation of Tamoxifen
Krisztina Pongracz, Deena N. Pathak, Takemichi Nakamura, Alma L. Burlingame, and William J. Bodell
Cancer Res., Jul 1995; 55: 3012 - 3015.

Clomid causing birth defects -

Teratogenic effects of clomiphene, tamoxifen, and diethylstilbestrol on the developing human female genital tract.
GR Cunha, O Taguchi, R Namikawa, Y Nishizuka, and SJ Robboy
Hum Pathol, Nov 1987; 18(11): 1132-43.

Nolva hurting fertility -

Effects of tamoxifen on the fertility of male rats
MK Gill-Sharma, K Gopalkrishnan, N Balasinor, P Parte, S Jayaraman, and HS Juneja
J Reprod Fertil, Nov 1993; 99: 395.

Effect of chronic administration of Tamoxifen on fertility in male bonnet monkeys (Macaca radiata).
AJ Rao, SG Ramachandra, V Ramesh, HN Krishnamurthy, S Jayaraman, K Gopalakrishnan, and HS Juneja
Andrologia, May 1998; 30(3): 129-32.

ya I was taken back my the science comment lol.derma boost and sustain both have plenty of science behind it.years of it in fact.

 

[lartinos]

Many of the vets on this board are ignorant to the effects of dermacrine, me being one myself. I will probably eventually take the plunge........if I ever come off lol. And if this stuff is great or bullshit I'll surely tell you the truth.

 

[needtogetaas]

Many of the vets on this board are ignorant to the effects of dermacrine, me being one myself. I will probably eventually take the plunge........if I ever come off lol. And if this stuff is great or bullshit I'll surely tell you the truth.

and you dame well better.if its bull shit I want to here about it.I dont want to here from the people that have never used it or the people that dont even kno wtf is in i but are just bashing it because they dont like me,dont like change or what ever.know what the fuck you are talking about,try it,or just stfu.thats what I say.

 

[needtogetaas]

Bro, tell me more about this hcg + derma stuff.

lol

 

[mm107]

of course you should =]

but in all honesty, i actually do want to run it as my main supplement not in PCT, but ill be going on soon so i havta wait lol

 

[Mrpumped]

ya I was taken back my the science comment lol.derma boost and sustain both have plenty of science behind it.years of it in fact.

Excellent!! Now cut the price in half and I'll try it. Untill you do I'm not going to spend that kind of money for a 30 day supply.

 

[needtogetaas]

Excellent!! Now cut the price in half and I'll try it. Untill you do I'm not going to spend that kind of money for a 30 day supply.

there is a code for 10 dolor off code if you want it.