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shit just got real

its like saying most gypsies tend to do crime cus they are gypsies and thus inherently bad.

NO its called being an oppressed people that never got repatriated back into a caring society.

Blacks sad to say never got their mules and land and were institutionally poor from the get go.

We had legal racism half way into this century.......

its not going to spawn Leopolds in the office in 100 years bro
 
its like saying most gypsies tend to do crime cus they are gypsies and thus inherently bad.

NO its called being an oppressed people that never got repatriated back into a caring society.

Blacks sad to say never got their mules and land and were institutionally poor from the get go.

We had legal racism half way into this century.......

its not going to spawn Leopolds in the office in 100 years bro

your heart bleeds like Lestat's and your spelling is like Strongbow's.
 
its like saying most gypsies tend to do crime cus they are gypsies and thus inherently bad.

NO its called being an oppressed people that never got repatriated back into a caring society.

Blacks sad to say never got their mules and land and were institutionally poor from the get go.

We had legal racism half way into this century.......

its not going to spawn Leopolds in the office in 100 years bro

Most gypsies are good at bare-knuckle boxing and are very dangerous, sneaky people.
 
its like saying most gypsies tend to do crime cus they are gypsies and thus inherently bad.

NO its called being an oppressed people that never got repatriated back into a caring society.

Blacks sad to say never got their mules and land and were institutionally poor from the get go.

We had legal racism half way into this century.......

its not going to spawn Leopolds in the office in 100 years bro

as luck would have it, I DON'T REALLY FUCKING CARE about anyone except my friends and family...and, if everyone was like me, we wouldn't have any problems because everyone would be taken care of...charity starts in the home, capiche??
 
ok...so maybe I'm not so good with sociology but

this is classism, not racism

the poor (both working and welfare) who are disproportionately minorities in general are completely not represented in our legal system

I've seen this in the neighborhood I'm from with poor white kids
they are subjected to harrasssment from the cops, charge stacking and an almost total lack of defense within the legal system
I studied law for all of about two semesters until I got really jaded by this in a hurry



other than that...lolol at the original post
 
bros you guys need to understand stuff

went to a boys club voluntarily to play ball when I was young

lots of kids were from the project.

the boys club tought them to be more civil because poverty at home does not allow supervision
 
i have no problem with the demographics of prison.
if the white legal system is so racist, then leave the country
or better yet don't committ crimes
 
I think the better question is not why so many blacks are in prison but why they are committing the crimes that put them there. Its too easy to just say the system is flawed, the man keeping them down, etc. But bringing out the underlying reasons blacks commit more crimes per capita than anyone else is the fundamental question that needs to be asked. As with all things that happen on a large statistical scale, there are many factors such as environment, socioeconomic status, nature and nurture, etc.
Of course in order to have a discourse such as that you would have to be in agreement that blacks are being put in prison because of the crimes they are committing, and not racism. That in and of itself is still a considerable hurdle to overcome in the national discourse.
 
because they have a poor education ( district-ing)
becuase they have poor parental supervision do to poverty
because drugs make money fast

why is crack penalized MORE then cocaine when they are the same thing?

why? Blacks sell crack to Blacks, Whites like cocaine


use your minds bro

lets say everyone before you in your family was oppressed or enslaved, you think youd have an advantage in a capitalist society to compete fairly?
 
because they have a poor education ( district-ing)
becuase they have poor parental supervision do to poverty
because drugs make money fast

why is crack penalized MORE then cocaine when they are the same thing?

why? Blacks sell crack to Blacks, Whites like cocaine


use your minds bro

lets say everyone before you in your family was oppressed or enslaved, you think youd have an advantage in a capitalist society to compete fairly?

The differing drug offense penalties are notable but irrelevant. Drug dealing whether its coke or crack underlies the bigger problem of why blacks turn to drug dealing in such large numbers. You brought up the reasons of poor parenting, poor educational institutions, and Im sure there are a whole host of many other environmental and socioeconomic factors that contribute, and all are valid and worth examination by the media and government. But once again we have to first look beyond the tired arguments of racism and oppression before we can uncover the true and relevant issues contributing to the blacks disproportionate prison populace.
 
why is crack penalized MORE then cocaine when they are the same thing?

why? Blacks sell crack to Blacks, Whites like cocaine


Crack is more addictive.

Get off your bleeding heart soapbox and stop making excuses for the knee-grows; do the crime, do the time. No excuses.
 
why is crack penalized MORE then cocaine when they are the same thing?

why? Blacks sell crack to Blacks, Whites like cocaine


pretty sure they aren't the same thing...


I've never heard of a white person snorting a line of coke and then breaking into your house to steal all the copper pipe out of it to buy more coke.

But I dunno, we should let ortiz confirm or deny this.
 
Crack is more addictive.

Get off your bleeding heart soapbox and stop making excuses for the knee-grows; do the crime, do the time. No excuses.

and the crimes are typically more violent when associated with cooked up cola.
This is a sterotype, but the suburban kid driving to the hood to buy yayo typically will have money that is not stolen.
same with his older white counterparts, the weekend yayo party crowd...most of the time they will have jobs and can support their habbits.
crackheads, on the other hand, usually don't have income and have to resort to crime to feed their fix...and thus the impact on society is greater with crack as opposed to cola.
and thus the laws are stiffer...mean and racist? meh, makes sense to this white devil.

and it's bleating heart not bleeding heart.
a bleat is the sound a sheep makes i believe, and thus the tie in with liberals, sheeple like creatures
 
The solution is simple. Let the blaques commit the crimes and when whites complain, tell them it's their fault. If they commit crimes against hispanics or asians or mixed THEN we lock them up. No reason a blaque person who kills a whitey (unless they're rich or attractive) should go to jail! Blasphemy!

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bros you guys need to understand stuff

went to a boys club voluntarily to play ball when I was young

lots of kids were from the project.

the boys club tought them to be more civil because poverty at home does not allow supervision

if yo momma on teh welfare, you should be the best supervised kid in the fucking world...wtf else does she have to do???????
 
your heart bleeds like Lestat's and your spelling is like Strongbow's.
Why the fuck you gotta drag me into this?
 
The differing drug offense penalties are notable but irrelevant. Drug dealing whether its coke or crack underlies the bigger problem of why blacks turn to drug dealing in such large numbers. You brought up the reasons of poor parenting, poor educational institutions, and Im sure there are a whole host of many other environmental and socioeconomic factors that contribute, and all are valid and worth examination by the media and government. But once again we have to first look beyond the tired arguments of racism and oppression before we can uncover the true and relevant issues contributing to the blacks disproportionate prison populace.



this is good but in the end your implying what?

its innate to their race? or....?
 
this is good but in the end your implying what?

its innate to their race? or....?

Im implying that its much too complex to simply say "racist" or "system is keeping the man down" when its a myriad of factors like environment, and socioeconomic conditions throughout life, poverty, upbringing, etc.

No one said anything about innate to their race so dont even try it
 
Im implying that its much too complex to simply say "racist" or "system is keeping the man down" when its a myriad of factors like environment, and socioeconomic conditions throughout life, poverty, upbringing, etc.

No one said anything about innate to their race so dont even try it

and i'm sure both you and i would concede that racism does figure into the mix.
it's just not that only factor, just one of many.
it's usually always 100% racism the root cause of every ill
 
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and it's bleating heart not bleeding heart.
a bleat is the sound a sheep makes i believe, and thus the tie in with liberals, sheeple like creatures

Definition of BLEEDING HEART
1
: a garden plant (Dicentra spectabilis) of the fumitory family with racemes of usually deep pink or white drooping heart-shaped flowers; broadly : any of several plants (genus Dicentra)
2
: a person who shows extravagant sympathy especially for an object of alleged persecution

sorry bor, you're wrong.
 
Definition of BLEEDING HEART
1
: a garden plant (Dicentra spectabilis) of the fumitory family with racemes of usually deep pink or white drooping heart-shaped flowers; broadly : any of several plants (genus Dicentra)
2
: a person who shows extravagant sympathy especially for an object of alleged persecution

sorry bor, you're wrong.

Actually he's right, about the origin. It's been mistaken for 'bleeding' so much that it's just accepted.
 
Yeah, we need to let all the blackies go and replace them with a bunch of crackers. That is only fair.
 
because they have a poor education ( district-ing)
becuase they have poor parental supervision do to poverty
because drugs make money fast

why is crack penalized MORE then cocaine when they are the same thing?

why? Blacks sell crack to Blacks, Whites like cocaine


use your minds bro

lets say everyone before you in your family was oppressed or enslaved, you think youd have an advantage in a capitalist society to compete fairly?

How many African Americans in prison had a father or grandfather that was a slave.....How many African-Americans in prison grew up under Jim Crow...very few...most imprisoned African American males were born in the last thirty years. How many African-American males in prison were victimized by LBJ's "great society" where families were encouraged to not have a male in the household so they could receive greater welfare benefits? Most of them...That isn't my analysis, I work with an African American friend that does drug treatment for low income people. I volunteered to re-vamp their IT infrastructure as charity to the community. He is strong on personal responsibility and weening people off their dependence on government as part of their recovery.

How many white minorities have been oppressed....all of them.

How many minorities, white, black, asian or otherwise have overcome their situation to be successful....most of them.
 
The reason blacks prefer crack is that it is cheaper because there is very little cocaine in it. The whites and affluent blacks prefer cocaine as a status symbol. They are also more discrete about it than crack users. And from personal experience, a majority of crimes are committed by black people. I also know this from personal experience. Everyone in this country has the same opportunities to pull themselves up by their boot straps and succeed. In fact, the black people have greater opportunities than the the white people. So you have to ask yourself, why do they and in general poor people not avail themselves of these opportunities to succeed? Simple, welfare. We have become a welfare state, where it is more economical to live on welfare than to get an education and do something constructive with your life. In addition, the gov't prefers welfare (and would like most, if not all of us on welfare) because we become dependent on it, and will do what they say so that we may stay on it. IE, they can control us by making us all equal and poor and totally dependent upon the gov't for our existence.
 
the gov't prefers welfare (and would like most, if not all of us on welfare) because we become dependent on it, and will do what they say so that we may stay on it. IE, they can control us by making us all equal and poor and totally dependent upon the gov't for our existence.

Impossible. If we were all on welfare nobody would be paying taxes and there would be no welfare to hand out. The government wants you to go to work and pay your taxes. Oh, and they want you to die shortly after you retire and stop working.
 
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as luck would have it, I DON'T REALLY FUCKING CARE about anyone except my friends and family...and, if everyone was like me, we wouldn't have any problems because everyone would be taken care of...charity starts in the home, capiche??


this is a really great post bro

your right actually to a point


But Im a bit of a Political Philosopher

the reason why you are in part wrong is the oversimplified statement of "I DON'T REALLY FUCKING CARE about anyone except my own"

that thinking automatically leads to a tribalism and over focusing on just your kind ( whatever kind may mean to you) this inventively leads to collision with other groups.... and thus a state of War or Anarchy.

You need to good bro and all you other gung ho guys "separate the private self from the civic self" and use each when it is appropriate.
 
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this is a really great post bro

your right actually to a point


But Im a bit of a Political Philosopher

the reason why you are in part wrong is the oversimplified statement of "I DON'T REALLY FUCKING CARE about anyone except my own"

that thinking automatically leads to a tribalism and over focusing on just your kind ( whatever kind may mean to you) this inventively leads to collision with other groups.... and thus a state of War or Anarchy.

You need to good bro and all you other gung ho guys "separate the private self from the civic self" and use each when it is appropriate.

sweet jesus
 
its like saying most gypsies tend to do crime cus they are gypsies and thus inherently bad.

NO its called being an oppressed people that never got repatriated back into a caring society.

Blacks sad to say never got their mules and land and were institutionally poor from the get go.

We had legal racism half way into this century.......

its not going to spawn Leopolds in the office in 100 years bro

Which continent was further developed in say, the 17th century: Europe or Africa?

What drives one race to progress faster than another?

Would black people have progressed as far as they have by now if they were never taken from their tribes and brought into slavery in the West? Realize that genital mutilation is still practiced over there among other primitive customs; same in South America and parts of Australia. People are different for very natural reasons, much of which probably has to do with geography. People behave and ultimately over many, many generations will appear much differently to survive in extreme heat vs extreme cold. It would be interesting to see what would happen after 100 or so generations to a black tribe placed in the middle of Alaska with no one else around. Likewise for Alaskans placed in the middle of Africa.
 
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