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Serious question... Seriously

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addickt

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If you had to kill a cute little puppy, like a St Bernard ( they are really cute when they are puppies) or kill a randon human that you have never met ......... What would you choose? If it was just all over and done with and you would never have to face or even hear abou the victims family....... ( be it canine OR human)

I would choose the human, puppies are ignorantly innocent, people are just ignorant....

I am serious... I would like peoples opinions on this..
 
I couldn't kill the puppy.
but I also don't think I could kill a random person - the potential they could have to society... you don't know. specific people, that is different. its easy when you are out driving around ;)

I guess I'd say "neither"
 
addickt said:
If you had to kill a cute little puppy, like a St Bernard ( they are really cute when they are puppies) or kill a randon human that you have never met ......... What would you choose? If it was just all over and done with and you would never have to face or even hear abou the victims family....... ( be it canine OR human)

I would choose the human, puppies are ignorantly innocent, people are just ignorant....

I am serious... I would like peoples opinions on this..
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Dude, you're seriously fucked up.

Seriously.

Lay off the cough syrup. I'm worried about you, Man.
:)
 
Unless I knew for sure it was a deserving person I was killing, if I had to kill one of them, I'd blow the puppie's head off and not think twice about it.
 
I would do it to the human.. without remorse. I like dogs more. They are alot more trustable.
 
Frackal said:
Unless I knew for sure it was a deserving person I was killing, if I had to kill one of them, I'd blow the puppie's head off and not think twice about it.
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I think most people are "deserving" for some reason or another. I know I am. I could justify killing a person for its bad behavior. But puppies are pretty innocent, relatively.
 
addickt said:


I think most people are "deserving" for some reason or another. I know I am. I could justify killing a person for its bad behavior. But puppies are pretty innocent, relatively.
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What about a 3 y/o child?
 
dballer said:
I would do it to the human.. without remorse. I like dogs more. They are alot more trustable.
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I agree, dogs can only pee on your floor or tear up your furniture. They cannot be rats, liars, scammers.... Etc..

Plus puppies are way cuter than most humans.
 
addickt said:


I think most people are "deserving" for some reason or another. I know I am. I could justify killing a person for its bad behavior. But puppies are pretty innocent, relatively.
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No one (with rare exception) deserves to die at your or anyone elses hands. That's the problem with society these days- a lack of respect for human life.
 
You are causing way more grief in the world and a greater loss by killing a human over a dog. Think about if this random person were your wife, sister, mother, father, girlfriend or baby child and then let's repeat the question.
 
trustable :confused:




ANYwhoo.. wouldn't kill either.. i can't.. i just can't kill anything anymore..

i've killed everything under the sun... seriously.. deer, groundhogs (hundreds - thousands of them), squirrels (hundreds), frogs, cats, dogs, every insect, snakes, people (no not really - just seein if you're payin attention), rabbits, birds (about every type), salamanders, fish, crabs, you get the point..

anyway.. 1.5 yrs ago.. i'm out with the .243 groundhog hunting.. i spot one.. put the scope on him.. take the safety off.. he's in the crosshairs..

i couldn't pull the trigger.. i just couldn't....

then i got into buddhism..

now i let fucking flies and spiders out the house before i kill them (this is the one that drives people to think i'm kinda nutty - especially when you're from the stix)..

where the fuck was i goin with this?? oh yeah.. nope.. wouldn't kill either..
 
Frackal said:
You are causing way more grief in the world and a greater loss by killing a human over a dog. Think about if this random person were your wife, sister, mother, father, girlfriend or baby child and then let's repeat the question.
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The best point so far.
 
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind... I would kill the puppy. Human life, to me, is to be held in the upmost of value... there is nothing greater than human life, even the worst human's life is worth more than a puppy.

That being said... If it came to killing another human or myself being killed (not self-defense, but some guy with a gun to my head) I wouldn't kill the other human being... just my take... I'd rather die than take a life of someone who I don't even know.

C
 
i don't understand you people.. i really don't....


why should any one type of living thing be given any higher amount of importance than any other living thing?


i just don't understand how people think that because something doesn't have an opposable thumb.. that it's ok for it to suffer any more than a human...
 
given the choice of ending life i would choose the human over the puppy as long as I was the human in question, my life is worthless in the scheme of things as opposed to the puppy who might bring someone happiness and a smile and a devoted and loyal friend ....:( :bawling:
 
I was watching a thing on the discovery channel last night on animals and the intelligence that they show.
I was far more impressed with some birds in New Zealand than I am with 50% of the people I see day to day.
that doesn't justify for me killing a person - there is too much they could still do in life - perhaps they would be the parent of someone that would go on to discover something huge - like the cure for cancer.

anyway, fortunately these sorts of situations come up in my life exactly never.
 
addickt said:
If you had to kill a cute little puppy, like a St Bernard ( they are really cute when they are puppies) or kill a randon human that you have never met ......... What would you choose? If it was just all over and done with and you would never have to face or even hear abou the victims family....... ( be it canine OR human)

I would choose the human, puppies are ignorantly innocent, people are just ignorant....

I am serious... I would like peoples opinions on this..
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I actually at first thought would kill the human, just for the fact of what you said, the puppy is innocent. Even though the human might have more worth, I can't bring myself to kill something that knows no sense of doing "wrong". To me it seems like I'd be going against the whole flow of "goodness" in the universe. As ridiculous as it sounds, I'd have to kill the human. Now if the puppy wasn't alive yet, like if i had to kill the unborn puppies or a human, i'd definately take the unborn puppies cause they haven't had time to even live in the first place.
 
velvett said:
If you were the person ...


I would keep the puupy.
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Cool. I probably would too. Anyways, you guys are missing the point.... There would be no remorse involved. You would never have to deal with the guilt of the persons death.

It is a hypothetical question...

What if it was a starving Afhghani. I would imagine that they are as innocent as the next person but I think they are living on grass and rocks. Is it more acceptable to kill one of them?

Seriously, humans are not too innocent.... It seems we just afford them more leeway because they are humans.

And yes, if I had to deal with the persons family etc... it might be different. That is why I added the disclaimer...

What if they had no families to deal with their pain..?
 
decem said:
i don't understand you people.. i really don't....


i just don't understand how people think that because something doesn't have an opposable thumb.. that it's ok for it to suffer any more than a human...
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Opposable thumb? I don't think that has anything to do with it... As humans, we relate with other humans, can feel sympathy... knowing that the stranger before us may be someone elses brother, husband, wife, daughter... knowing how that would make us feel if they died... we relate. IMHO... the dog would die in a split second...

C
 
decem said:
i don't understand you people.. i really don't....


why should any one type of living thing be given any higher amount of importance than any other living thing?


i just don't understand how people think that because something doesn't have an opposable thumb.. that it's ok for it to suffer any more than a human...
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Excellent point decem.

Is it because you can't communicate with the animals directly that make a human life more important? When you see hundred's of ants going back and forth to their sandhole, don't you realize they are working, just as us humans do?

If the ant could talk, would you still step on it? I doubt it. Because you can't communicate with it, you ignore the fact that it too, has feelings, friends, and food to haul down to their homes.

If anything, you should respect the fact that they can lift 50 times their own body weight. :)

My choice is neither also.
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addickt said:


Cool. I probably would too. Anyways, you guys are missing the point.... There would be no remorse involved. You would never have to deal with the guilt of the persons death.

It is a hypothetical question...

What if it was a starving Afhghani. I would imagine that they are as innocent as the next person but I think they are living on grass and rocks. Is it more acceptable to kill one of them?

Seriously, humans are not too innocent.... It seems we just afford them more leeway because they are humans.

And yes, if I had to deal with the persons family etc... it might be different. That is why I added the disclaimer...

What if they had no families to deal with their pain..?
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Regardless of the fact if they are innocent, or have no families to deal with their pain... human life is simply more valuable than any other life form... that we know of.

It doesn't go to innocence... it doesn't go to what the human's value is... or if they are Afghanie... if you have a choice to killa human you don't konw, or a puppy dog... it's an easy choice!

Jesus... where are your fucking souls?

C
 
Crazier said:


Excellent point decem.

Is it because you can't communicate with the animals directly that make a human life more important? When you see hundred's of ants going back and forth to their sandhole, don't you realize they are working, just as us humans do?

If the ant could talk, would you still step on it? I doubt it. Just because you can't communicate with it, why ignore the fact that it too, has feelings, friends, kids, and food to haul down the hole.

If anything, you should respect them since they can life 50 times their body weight. :)

My choice is neither also.
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I would never kill anyone or anything that wasn't a danger to me or someone else. Period!

For the smartass that will ask about flys or bugs, yes I do make exceptions for them.:D
 
decem said:
i don't understand you people.. i really don't....


why should any one type of living thing be given any higher amount of importance than any other living thing?


i just don't understand how people think that because something doesn't have an opposable thumb.. that it's ok for it to suffer any more than a human...
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Exactly......... I think, if ANYTHING we are less deserving of life because we know better, but we fuck up anyways...

I know a lot of people with less character and sometimes lesser intelligence( at least it would seem). Certainly less loyalty and compassion.. We think we are special because we are HUMAN animals..

I dont.
 
HappyScrappy said:
I was watching a thing on the discovery channel last night on animals and the intelligence that they show.
I was far more impressed with some birds in New Zealand than I am with 50% of the people I see day to day.
that doesn't justify for me killing a person - there is too much they could still do in life - perhaps they would be the parent of someone that would go on to discover something huge - like the cure for cancer.

anyway, fortunately these sorts of situations come up in my life exactly never.
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Or perhaps they would be a terrorist, pedophile or rapist. It goes both ways, I guess in the end, there will only be a few people who actually "CURE" cancer, there are many more pedophiles and murderers out there........ So statistically speaking, I think you are better off killing the human.
 
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Burning_Inside said:


I actually at first thought would kill the human, just for the fact of what you said, the puppy is innocent. Even though the human might have more worth, I can't bring myself to kill something that knows no sense of doing "wrong". To me it seems like I'd be going against the whole flow of "goodness" in the universe. As ridiculous as it sounds, I'd have to kill the human. Now if the puppy wasn't alive yet, like if i had to kill the unborn puppies or a human, i'd definately take the unborn puppies cause they haven't had time to even live in the first place.
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EXACTLY MY SENTIMENTS
 
Citruscide said:


Regardless of the fact if they are innocent, or have no families to deal with their pain... human life is simply more valuable than any other life form... that we know of.

It doesn't go to innocence... it doesn't go to what the human's value is... or if they are Afghanie... if you have a choice to killa human you don't konw, or a puppy dog... it's an easy choice!

Jesus... where are your fucking souls?

C
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I am just curious as to how or what information you have found that makes a random Human more "valuable" than a puppy..
Puppies make me smile, most humans dont...

What criteria are you grading on? Also, what exactly is a soul?

How do you know we have them and dogs dont?

How do you know the the reciprocal isnt actually the truth?

Or at least that both species have them? Enlighten me.
 
addickt said:


Or perhaps they would be a terrorist, pedophile or rapist. It goes both ways, I guess in the end, there will only be a few people who actually "CURE" cancer, there are many more pedophiles and murderers out there........ So statistically speaking, I think you are better off killing the human.
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LOL - you are a funny guy - but bad at stats.
"statistically speaking" both of those are on the outside of the bell curve.
most people are just average joes - hence the name.

flawed logic is one of my pet peeves ;)
 
HappyScrappy said:


LOL - you are a funny guy - but bad at stats.
"statistically speaking" both of those are on the outside of the bell curve.
most people are just average joes - hence the name.

flawed logic is one of my pet peeves ;)
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My logic is not flawed.. The cancers curers were cited, so I thought I would present the other side of the issue. Also, IMHO the AVERAGE JOE "deserves", for lack of better terminology, to die more than the average SPOT puppy.

Just my opinion, I was wrong once, about 11 years ago, so I guess It is possible:D
 
A puppy once pissed on my new leather jacket, so I bashed its head in with a brick. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Not near as bad as when I smothered my baby nephew when he wouldn't stop crying.

So in answer to your question, I'd take the puppy.
 
bigguns7 said:
A puppy once pissed on my new leather jacket, so I bashed its head in with a brick. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Not near as bad as when I smothered my baby nephew when he wouldn't stop crying.

So in answer to your question, I'd take the puppy.
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You are the perfect illustration of why I would rather kill a human.
 
Citruscide said:


Opposable thumb? I don't think that has anything to do with it... As humans, we relate with other humans, can feel sympathy... knowing that the stranger before us may be someone elses brother, husband, wife, daughter... knowing how that would make us feel if they died... we relate. IMHO... the dog would die in a split second...

C
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i forget who said.. i read through the thread and am now coming back to address each post individually.. but someone said something about just because you can't communicate with anything other than humans.. etc etc..


in regards to your post C.. maybe it's time to open your mind so that you CAN relate to non-human beings.... is it not conceivable that these creatures have souls and family and others that love them as well?
 
decem said:

then i got into buddhism..

now i let fucking flies and spiders out the house before i kill them (this is the one that drives people to think i'm kinda nutty - especially when you're from the stix)..

where the fuck was i goin with this?? oh yeah.. nope.. wouldn't kill either..
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HAHAHA...I know what you mean bro. Evertime I see a spider in the bathtub, I grab it gently and toss it outside. People think I'm fucking nuts. :D Then again, I still eat meat so I guess I'm that not that nuts....some buddhist I am. LOL

As for the orignal question...I'd prefer not to kill anything, but if I had to choose between a human being and a puppy, I'd waste the dog. I wouldn't feel good about it, but that's what I'd do.
 
Crazier said:


Excellent point decem.

Is it because you can't communicate with the animals directly that make a human life more important? When you see hundred's of ants going back and forth to their sandhole, don't you realize they are working, just as us humans do?

If the ant could talk, would you still step on it? I doubt it. Because you can't communicate with it, you ignore the fact that it too, has feelings, friends, and food to haul down to their homes.

If anything, you should respect the fact that they can lift 50 times their own body weight. :)

My choice is neither also.
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damn.. i should have known it was crazier that pointed that out...


excellent points crazier.. you and i have the same mentality...

every that lives... should be respected...

human, primate, dog, fly, ant, bacteria, tree, flower, etc..
 
Citruscide said:

human life is simply more valuable than any other life form... that we know of.

Jesus... where are your fucking souls?

C
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where the fuck is yours??? do you think those living creatures don't have a soul? why not? were they not supposedly created by your same god?

how can you post that garbage... human life is more valuable.... pppphhheeeewwwywyyy.. garbage.. complete and utter garbage...
 
addickt said:


Exactly......... I think, if ANYTHING we are less deserving of life because we know better, but we fuck up anyways...

I know a lot of people with less character and sometimes lesser intelligence( at least it would seem). Certainly less loyalty and compassion.. We think we are special because we are HUMAN animals..

I dont.
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holy crap.. maybe addickt isn't such an asswipe afterall....
 
Taps said:


Then again, I still eat meat so I guess I'm that not that nuts....some buddhist I am. LOL
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there's a buddhist saying:

one uses the north star to help them find their way in their journey.. but they will never make it to the north star..

or something like that.. you get the gist of it...

anyway.. you are progressing.. getting closer to the finding enlightenment.. and that's what's important..
 
decem said:




holy crap.. maybe addickt isn't such an asswipe afterall....
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Asswipe.... I am just misunderstood. I think I am just far more intelligent than most of you. So I appear to be an asswipe. I am just on a different plane of understanding and therefore you cannot always comprehend my ideas or train of thought. Sometimes I use my sarcasm and raw sense of humor to illustrate things or to stimulate ideas that are dormant in people. Soemtimes, ideas they didnt even know they had...

Or ... maybe I am just an asswipe. Either way, I have a nice body and a hot wife... Even hotter than Stifflers Mom!
 
addickt said:


Asswipe.... I am just misunderstood. I think I am just far more intelligent than most of you. So I appear to be an asswipe. I am just on a different plane of understanding and therefore you cannot always comprehend my ideas or train of thought. Sometimes I use my sarcasm and raw sense of humor to illustrate things or to stimulate ideas that are dormant in people. Soemtimes, ideas they didnt even know they had...
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good luck getting that to fly here.
 
Tough decision. I mean, the puppy didn't fit in my blender cup, so I tried to put him in the microwave. Fucking door wouldn't close. St Bernards are big pups.

Then I tried drowning him, but he slipped away. Afterward, I tried to shoot him, but the gun broke. And, isn't it a bitch, the chainsaw was out of gas.

So here I am whacking this puppy with my golf club when the fucking shaft snaps. I'm not much of a golfer, and moving targets are tough.

Holy shit! I can't believe this. The puppy is wounded though. So I was like, OK, I'll just run it over. But I couldn't get the car started. I was getting exasperated. I grabbed a plastic bag and started suffocating the dog, but he managed to claw a few holes in it.

Motherfucker! But my brother came home. I told him NOT to turn his car off. I got behind teh wheel, got that puppy in my sights, and fucking flattened him.

Dead as a doornail. But I wasn;t done. I scooped his remains into a bag, and shot them out of a cannon. Then I burned the motherfuckers.

See how hard that was for me?
 
Could we kill a cat instead. Dogs I like, but cats are nothing more than cute rats. I mean, I've applied for jobs at local Chinese restaurants asking for the position of cat killer but all the jobs were full. DAMN!!
 
Hmmm...I'd kill the dog in a second. I am an extremist humanist so all you dog lovers better watch out. When it comes down to it i will bet 100 bucks people will kill the dog if this theoretical situation ever happened. All of you are full of shit. Society teaches us that murder is wrong and we have been socialized in such a manner, the dog will be far easier to kill and therefore will be the choice.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
Tough decision. I mean, the puppy didn't fit in my blender cup, so I tried to put him in the microwave. Fucking door wouldn't close. St Bernards are big pups.

Then I tried drowning him, but he slipped away. Afterward, I tried to shoot him, but the gun broke. And, isn't it a bitch, the chainsaw was out of gas.

So here I am whacking this puppy with my golf club when the fucking shaft snaps. I'm not much of a golfer, and moving targets are tough.

Holy shit! I can't believe this. The puppy is wounded though. So I was like, OK, I'll just run it over. But I couldn't get the car started. I was getting exasperated. I grabbed a plastic bag and started suffocating the dog, but he managed to claw a few holes in it.

Motherfucker! But my brother came home. I told him NOT to turn his car off. I got behind teh wheel, got that puppy in my sights, and fucking flattened him.

Dead as a doornail. But I wasn;t done. I scooped his remains into a bag, and shot them out of a cannon. Then I burned the motherfuckers.

See how hard that was for me?
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LOL Matt..what the hell???
 
Preferably neither.
How can you say the puppy is "innocent", if it acts on instinct and training rather than right and wrong? The word can't apply.
How can you say you love 'all living things' and yet why automatically assume the human is bad, and furthermore as self-appointed judge you are 'better' and qualified to make the judgement call that s/he deserved death?

Stop using emotion to qualify your decision

If it came down to it, and they were equally "innocent", then the dog. Higher demonstrated intelligence should be preserved. If it was between a dolphin or primate... well that's a tougher call.
 
Island Son said:
Preferably neither.
How can you say the puppy is "innocent", if it acts on instinct and training rather than right and wrong? The word can't apply.
How can you say you love 'all living things' and yet why automatically assume the human is bad, and furthermore as self-appointed judge you are 'better' and qualified to make the judgement call that s/he deserved death?

Stop using emotion to qualify your decision

If it came down to it, and they were equally "innocent", then the dog. Higher demonstrated intelligence should be preserved. If it was between a dolphin or primate... well that's a tougher call.
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You are totally missing the point here..... How many humans do you know that are innocent??? Really, never betrayed someone, cheated on them, hurt them lied, hurt a child or even hurt an animal...... Those things all qualify as GUILT and disqualify them from the "innocent" pat of your argument.
Puppies on the other hand, cannot lie, cheat, snitch , betray etc.... Therefore, by definition making them more innocent, if not completely innocent.

Actually-- I think you are using emotion to qualify your decision, you have been trained that human life is more sacred than that of another animal? I ask why?

You argue..... because we have higher demonstrated
intelligence... So then again, following your logic, does a less intelligent saint, have more less right to live than say....... TED Bundy? He was EXTREMELY intelligent, he was also a murderer... I am using extremes to illustrate my points... But your logic is inherently flawed..

People, ALMOST ALL people, have betrayed a friend, a lover, stolen, and many including myself, done other crimes against god or crimes against society. We did these things with the understanding that it was wrong... We did them anyways...

I am yet to be convinced, that a smarter species, makes a better species... or more deserving of life species....
 
Sebass67 said:
Hmmm...I'd kill the dog in a second. I am an extremist humanist so all you dog lovers better watch out. When it comes down to it i will bet 100 bucks people will kill the dog if this theoretical situation ever happened. All of you are full of shit. Society teaches us that murder is wrong and we have been socialized in such a manner, the dog will be far easier to kill and therefore will be the choice.
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This is me eggin you on. Just prove me wrong. Everyone here is a pussy when it comes down to it and they will kill the dog.
 
I just don't understand people who value animals more than humans.Why limit this Question to dogs,anyway?What about a pig?What about a cow?Or how about an ant?Aren't they innocent?Don't they have a soul?

The reason animals are innocent is because they don't have reason...they act on instinct.They don't know good from evil.
The love a dog can give you isn't worth as much as love from a human.A human being may love you for your personality but a dog will be faithful to it's owner even if he is cruel.
An animal simply cannot love you like a human.
 
Addikt,let me develop this question further.Let's say it was either kill your girlfriend or a random dog on the street.The dog is innocent and simply can do no wrong.Your girlfriend certainly has,as a human,done many a bad thing.Who would you kill?
Is the animal always worth more than a human?
 
Is an animal worth a human?
come one here the centrism of the human race WERE betters were in facts apes, we are also animal, so for myself, human, apes, cat, dolphin to ants are ALL equal all living being on the same mud rounded thing called earth

:bawling:
 
Our higher mental capacity is what separates us from other animals. We are not all equal. That is bolshit. That is like saying that all black and white sprinters run the same speed when we know clearly they don't, in the overall picture anyhow. Or to say that every human is equal when in fact we aren't.

Don't ignore facts for equality. Somethings just aren't equal to start with.
 
On the one hand you say the life of an animal is equal to the life of a human. But you don't seem to believe the life of a human is equal the life of any other animal.
Yeah, the dog gets it for sure. And if I'm hungry I'd eat it. Hey Sebass, my tummy's rumbling you're looking kinda meaty today...
 
CRNT93 said:
Addikt,let me develop this question further.Let's say it was either kill your girlfriend or a random dog on the street.The dog is innocent and simply can do no wrong.Your girlfriend certainly has,as a human,done many a bad thing.Who would you kill?
Is the animal always worth more than a human?
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Your analogy is flawed. He has an emotional attachment to his girlfriend.

The original question posed was a random dog and a random human. People keep bringing in factors which while they would be relevant in real life, don't pertain to the original question. You add in factors (nice dog, mean dog, nice human, mean human) it distorts the answer.
 
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