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Second cycle. Can some bros critique and tweak it for me?

jagerbombme

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sustanon 250mg 2X per week Sunday night Thursday Morning 1-10
NPP 150mg 2X per week with the Sustanon 1-10
Test Prop 50mg 2X per week Tuesday and Saturday Mornings 1-10
AIFM 1-18
Proviron 50mg ed week 1-10
Dostinex dosage ? weeks to run?


PCT

Clomid 50mg ed for 6 weeks 12-18???
AIFM
hcg 250-500iu ed 10 days starting when i start the clomid



need help with dostinex dosage, when to start the pct, and am i using any chemicals that shouldn't be used together such as proviron and AIFM or anything like that?


this will be my second cycle, im trying to prepare for it and get everything ready, pinz, ai's bla bla bla.

it might be my third cycle actually, i might run a tbol only cycle between now and then of 50mg ed for week 1-7 with aifm, just as a little cutter before this one.

how does it look though?
 
NPP and test prop are short esters and need to be injected daily. Or, at the very least EOD.

Plus, there's already test prop in the sust and there's no reason to inject two different testosterone products. If you haven't already purchased the gear, skip the prop and buy deca instead of NPP.

For PCT start the HCG in week 11 and run it for 20 days. It's a waste of money to run the clomid and HCG at the same time. However, AFTER the HCG run clomid at 100mg/day for another 3 weeks. Do use the AIFM throughout the PCT.

With 300mg/week of nandrolone you probably don't need dostinex. If you want to use it anyway, 0.5mg E3D is typical.
 
ok. well i don't want to use deca because i am sensitive to the dick issues as is. i don't need any help from deca that is. how does this look then

NPP 150mg eod weeks 1-10
Test Prop 150mg eod weeks 1-10
AIFM 1-18
Proviron 50mg ed week 1-10
Dostinex .5mg e3d

PCT

Clomid 50mg ed for 6 weeks 11-17
AIFM
hcg 250-500iu ed 10 days

should i bother with the hcg if im gonna run clomid anyways. why not just run the clomid and be done with it? i know astetically, it'll take longer to get your balls back but if your gonna recover anyways, why not just the clomid
 
jagerbombme said:
ok. well i don't want to use deca because i am sensitive to the dick issues as is. i don't need any help from deca that is.
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With as much test as you are running, i wouldnt be too worried about Deca affecting your libido with that cycle. But you know your body way more than i do. :coffee:
 
Inject the sust and npp e3d and run for 12 if you have enough gear. the prop I would run eod or ed or get rid of it and just up the sust a little bit per week
 
ninesecz said:
Inject the sust and npp e3d and run for 12 if you have enough gear. the prop I would run eod or ed or get rid of it and just up the sust a little bit per week
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not a bad thought. thanks everyone
 
nydj66 said:
It's a waste of money to run the clomid and HCG at the same time.
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My favorite SERM is nolvadex at a much lower dose gives you the same affect as clomid. However, I don't understand why you say that it is a waste of money to run clomid and HCG at the same time. Now, I will say that running JUST those two is a waste, however, if you're running an AI like Aromasin with it or even arimidex it is money. Please explain to me your rationale..

My next PCT i'm going to replace Aromasin with AIFM and see what happens.

T-Matt
 
solidspine said:
I did not know this? thanks.
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HCG restores the testes but is suppressive to the hypotalamus and pituitary. So running Clomid with HCG is like running Clomid while still on gear; it is overwhelmed and can't hasten recovery at the hypathalamus.

However, nolvadex with HCG is a good idea since nolva prevents gyno and (some studies suggest) leydig cell desensitization -- both possible side effects from HCG.

Once HCG is discontinued, then it is time for clomid to block estrogen from activating receptors in the hypathalamus.
 
nydj66 said:
HCG restores the testes but is suppressive to the hypotalamus and pituitary. So running Clomid with HCG is like running Clomid while still on gear; it is overwhelmed and can't hasten recovery at the hypathalamus.

However, nolvadex with HCG is a good idea since nolva prevents gyno and (some studies suggest) leydig cell desensitization -- both possible side effects from HCG.

Once HCG is discontinued, then it is time for clomid to block estrogen from activating receptors in the hypathalamus.
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Got no person knowledge to rubish your theory but was just looking at the product description of HCG as I'm trying to get hold of some and it made a statement about it often being used WITH clomid:

"The main focus with HCG is to restore the normal ability of the testes to respond to endogenous luteinizing hormone. Human chorionic gonadotropin is an injectable drug available commercially in the United States as well as many other countries.

Pregnyl, made by Organon, and Profasi, made by Serono. Among athletes, HCG is used to stimulate natural testosterone production during or after a steroid cycle which has caused natural levels to be reduced, often stacked with clomid for even better results. Stopping a steroid cycle abruptly, especially when endogenous androgens are absent, can cause a rapid loss in the athlete's newly acquired muscle. When HCG is used to stimulate natural production, a notably pronounced crash may be avoided.

This product is also not picked up on steroid tests, so some athletes use it to keep androgen levels high before a contest that has drug testing. HCG must be refergerated after it is mixed together, and it then has a life of about 10 weeks. It is taken intramuscularly only.

Average Dosage: 1 Shot of 1500 i.u to 5000 i.u Every 5 days. Usually over a period of 4 weeks."
 
HCG restores the testes but is suppressive to the hypotalamus and pituitary. So running Clomid with HCG is like running Clomid while still on gear; it is overwhelmed and can't hasten recovery at the hypathalamus.

However, nolvadex with HCG is a good idea since nolva prevents gyno and (some studies suggest) leydig cell desensitization -- both possible side effects from HCG.

Once HCG is discontinued, then it is time for clomid to block estrogen from activating receptors in the hypathalamus.
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I usually just do HCG & Nolvadex, to get my nuts back to normal,

Clomid wigs me out worst than LSD
 
solidspine said:
I usually just do HCG & Nolvadex, to get my nuts back to normal,

Clomid wigs me out worst than LSD
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i noticed last night when i was stoned it felt like my hair was standing up off my head ?
 
jagerbombme said:
ok. well i don't want to use deca because i am sensitive to the dick issues as is. i don't need any help from deca that is. how does this look then

NPP 150mg eod weeks 1-10
Test Prop 150mg eod weeks 1-10
AIFM 1-18
Proviron 50mg ed week 1-10
Dostinex .5mg e3d

PCT

Clomid 50mg ed for 6 weeks 11-17
AIFM
hcg 250-500iu ed 10 days

should i bother with the hcg if im gonna run clomid anyways. why not just run the clomid and be done with it? i know astetically, it'll take longer to get your balls back but if your gonna recover anyways, why not just the clomid
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bro, NPP is nothing but fast acting deca bro. If you didn't like regular deca you likely won't like NPP
 
mphowells said:
Pregnyl, made by Organon, and Profasi, made by Serono. Among athletes, HCG is used to stimulate natural testosterone production during or after a steroid cycle which has caused natural levels to be reduced, often stacked with clomid for even better results. Stopping a steroid cycle abruptly, especially when endogenous androgens are absent, can cause a rapid loss in the athlete's newly acquired muscle. When HCG is used to stimulate natural production, a notably pronounced crash may be avoided.
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As I stated, HCG should be followed up by 3 weeks of clomid. This is the most effective way to "stack" the two.
 
got you guys on the pct. i appreciate it. well i've read alot of people ran deca and got deca dick but run npp with no problems at all. i've read countless stories of this. anywhoo. ive only ever ran one cycle

test enanth, cyp, 2 vials and 2 amps of omnadren. and ran var at beginning at 60-100mg per day for 40 days.

i don't know if it woudl do that too me, but npp if sides do kick it'll be gone quick.

i am dead set, and a dead head, but dead set on test, NPP run. the test will either be prop or sust. i've seen votes and read of best results from these two guys over the other ones. i know, test is test, but gotta try them all.

so np with running dostinex, proviron, and aifm OR aromasin together with my gear?
 
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