Scammer caught. Are we fucked? HELP!!!

[Tuck]

I ordered some gear from ana*#$&#arms in Louisianna. I never got the gear, and the general consensus on this board was that he turned scammer. Well, he didn't: he got caught. I just got this long letter from the DA's office in Louisianna detailing the case, how he got caught, etc. I can't figure out, though, if I'm in trouble. The main letter says "verified complaint in forfeiture in rem" and talks about how much money they caught him with, that it's been seized, etc.
Is this just a courtesy letter, to let me know that the money I sent has been seized? Or are they going to come after me?
Should I just shrug it off, and assume that's the end of it?
Or am I going to be in trouble?

Did anyone else get this letter?

 

[nisser512]

I ordered some gear from ana*#$&#arms in Louisianna. I never got the gear, and the general consensus on this board was that he turned scammer. Well, he didn't: he got caught. I just got this long letter from the DA's office in Louisianna detailing the case, how he got caught, etc. I can't figure out, though, if I'm in trouble. The main letter says "verified complaint in forfeiture in rem" and talks about how much money they caught him with, that it's been seized, etc.
Is this just a courtesy letter, to let me know that the money I sent has been seized? Or are they going to come after me?
Should I just shrug it off, and assume that's the end of it?
Or am I going to be in trouble?

Did anyone else get this letter?

Clean house and play dumb when asked about it.

 

[jjmac]

Yup, just clean house and erase anything to do with it on your computer, I wouldn't worry to much but just play it safe for a while, but the media is treating steroids like heroin nowadays, wtf..

 

[blut wump]

The cops ran his business for a while, accepting but not fulfilling orders. One might reasonably consider that they've commited fraud and taken your money under false pretences but, it seems, the law in your country permits them to do this. You could consider taking legal advice on whether you could sue the Government.

A paranoid person would clean house in your situation.

 

[raider187]

Make sure you get a good program that will remove all trace events from your PC. I would not mess around with data left on a PC. It can be revived after deletion, I do it all the time at work...

 

[blut wump]

I thought we all did all of our incriminating browsing on a Linux livecd with any traces left only in RAM and permanently lost on switch-off. If anyone needs to worry about 'cleaning' their computer then they need to reassess their approach to security.

 

[Nelson Montana]

And why did you use your real name?

 

[Bourget]

And why did you use your real name?

If i'm not mistaken I remember reading in The Elitefitness guide to buying steroids online that you should use your real name because there is a possibilty that if anything comes down they could hit you with mail and wire fraud along with all the other charges.

Not True?

 

[Tuck]

Why did I use my real name? Good question! I guess I was afraid the mail wouldn't get to me otherwise. But maybe because I'm a big fat moron? A big fat moron with good muscles, mind you.
So I'm guessing the worst-case scenario is I'll get a visit from the cops, and I'll just play dumb, but the likeliest scenario is nothing will happen.

 

[blut wump]

The note is just to inform you that they're keeping your money BTW. It's not notification of intent to prosecute you.

 

[advanced-stealth]

Very good advice bro.

The cops ran his business for a while, accepting but not fulfilling orders. One might reasonably consider that they've commited fraud and taken your money under false pretences but, it seems, the law in your country permits them to do this. You could consider taking legal advice on whether you could sue the Government.

A paranoid person would clean house in your situation.

 

[Nelson Montana]

If i'm not mistaken I remember reading in The Elitefitness guide to buying steroids online that you should use your real name because there is a possibilty that if anything comes down they could hit you with mail and wire fraud along with all the other charges.

Not True?

That's like worrying about parking at a fire hydrant while you rob a bank.

 

[Bourget]

That's like worrying about parking at a fire hydrant while you rob a bank.

I agree. It never really sounded very logical. I'm glad I never used my real name. In fact I change it every once in awhile.

Sometimes I use Nelson Montana.

 

[GUESS]

That's like worrying about parking at a fire hydrant while you rob a bank.

Dude, rotflmfao!!! Thats fuckin' gold!

 

[Johnny_Whoops]

that's a hot diss

 

[daveyboy2345]

That's like worrying about parking at a fire hydrant while you rob a bank.

that's funny as hell, i intend to use this one someday!!! LOL!

 

[nisser512]

That's like worrying about parking at a fire hydrant while you rob a bank.

On the contrary, faking identities is a serious crime.

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

I agree. It never really sounded very logical. I'm glad I never used my real name. In fact I change it every once in awhile.

Sometimes I use Nelson Montana.

I wish you the best of luck with this...I would get all your info you need for getting gear..for the future on paper and stash it at a trusted friends house..and then get your HD out of your computer and smash it to a million pieces and buy a new one and start over.

It doesnt matter if you wipe out your HD if they come after you they can recover your data. My father is a forensic scientist..it can be done...

but.. on a lighter side..

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..OMG...He uses NELSON MONTANA.....
sorry buddy..it was funny

 

[-SD-]

doesnt matter if you use your real name or not, youre fucked if they come after you. If you bought for just personal use i.e. not a lot of moey I seriously doubt the cops will come after you so dont worry about it.

 

[Stryker1992]

I agree. It never really sounded very logical. I'm glad I never used my real name. In fact I change it every once in awhile.

Sometimes I use Nelson Montana.

 

[MichaelScott]

my new alias is - ROSS

 

[airsmith2k]

I ordered some gear from ana*#$&#arms in Louisianna. I never got the gear, and the general consensus on this board was that he turned scammer. Well, he didn't: he got caught. I just got this long letter from the DA's office in Louisianna detailing the case, how he got caught, etc. I can't figure out, though, if I'm in trouble. The main letter says "verified complaint in forfeiture in rem" and talks about how much money they caught him with, that it's been seized, etc.
Is this just a courtesy letter, to let me know that the money I sent has been seized? Or are they going to come after me?
Should I just shrug it off, and assume that's the end of it?
Or am I going to be in trouble?

Did anyone else get this letter?

how much money have u sent to him?? if its like thousands of dollars i would be a lil worried but if it was for one order for like 400 bucks i wouldnt worry

 

[Tuck]

it was for $300.
so i'm not going to worry. i think it was just to let me know that they're keeping my money.
it scared the shit out of me when i first got the letter, but i'm a little less worried now. no one else got the letter? they have a list a mile long at the end of the letter with everyone's order and email address, etc.

 

[perp69]

The question still remains if LE is acting as the supplier they busted then what is the point in spending time and money continuing to run his business unless they are planning on prosecuting the folks trying to buy? What else would they be hoping to accomplish since they already have the big fish in custody?

Clean house.

Perp

 

[snower6]

The government isn't the LEAST bit interested in going after individual users. They're only searching for suppliers. If they wanted to go after users, all they'd do is go on these boards and trace our IP addresses, and they could be at our houses in 5 minutes a piece.

In the past 10 year's, I've gotten a dozen letters from the DEA, border control letters, been stopped at the border twice with stuff on me. Never had any problems, including the time I had it on me. Just asked me to throw it away in front of them.

Think what you guys want, but they're not coming after you. They're much busier finding the sources and doctors out there prescribing it.

 

[jmead]

times are changing, i wouldnt be so willing to throw my life away by "not giving a shit"

clean house keep it at a friends house play it safe.. or just say fuck it and HOPE you dont go to jail for a few years?! wtf

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

The government isn't the LEAST bit interested in going after individual users. They're only searching for suppliers. If they wanted to go after users, all they'd do is go on these boards and trace our IP addresses, and they could be at our houses in 5 minutes a piece.

In the past 10 year's, I've gotten a dozen letters from the DEA, border control letters, been stopped at the border twice with stuff on me. Never had any problems, including the time I had it on me. Just asked me to throw it away in front of them.

Think what you guys want, but they're not coming after you. They're much busier finding the sources and doctors out there prescribing it.

WHAT..stopped at the border with stuff on you and they said toss it..Ummm OK.
That happened to someone i know personally...He found his ass LOCKED UP!

 

[mobro]

they ran the business to show how much he had sold for historical evidence. In Fed. court you are prosecuted for what you have sold in the past, not just what you were caught selling or possessing at the time.
as for your letter, they are just notifying you that they are keeping your money. you have 90 days to respond or you forfeit the funds without court proceedings. if you respond, anything said or answered in civil court is allowable and usable in criminal court for prosecution. in other words, if you respond, they are gonna prosecute you and use you to testify against the supplier. i think i would just let 'em have the 300 bud. LOL

 

[Advisor_x]

This matter is serious, you got that letter cause of this..........your source was cooperating with LE

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/law/news/wdl20070621a.pdf

 

[st8grad]

The cops ran his business for a while, accepting but not fulfilling orders. One might reasonably consider that they've commited fraud and taken your money under false pretences but, it seems, the law in your country permits them to do this. You could consider taking legal advice on whether you could sue the Government.

A paranoid person would clean house in your situation.

You could try to claim false pretenses, but it wouldn't work. You can't claim false pretenses when trying to commit an illegal act. It's also like an under cover cop doesn't have to tell you that he is a cop when asked. It's actually a great way to catch people.

 

[blut wump]

Isn't that called entrapment and grounds for case-dismissal?

You see, if they were to send the goods then it could be argued as entrapment. Clearly, then, they took the money for services that they had no intent to provide. That is fraud.

Anyway, IANAL and I'm just blowing smoke out of any convenient orifice.

 

[Slyder190]

Here's my question - Are all these addys now flagged?

 

[beenieman]

Thank GOD I have a reliable local source...

 

[st8grad]

Thank GOD I have a reliable local source...

Reliable sources also get caught. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

 

[ceo]

On the contrary, faking identities is a serious crime.

what are you talking about? that's my nickname...everyone calls me that!

 

[Slyder190]

Here's my question - Are all these addys now flagged?

???

 

[mobro]

This matter is serious, you got that letter cause of this..........your source was cooperating with LE

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/law/news/wdl20070621a.pdf

i just told you that, but he was not cooperating in so much as catching others. i am sure he told them how he was doing it though.

the letter is just a part of the civil forfeiture proceedings. they have to notify you of this seizure so that if you disagree you can come forth for a trial. if you don't, it goes over on default judgement. if they didn't have your address they would have several guidelines to follow that would show that a reasonable effort to notify you was made, including running it in the newspapers. wouldn't that be nice, your name in the paper.

and no it is not entrapment. it would be entrapment if L.E. called people up and asked them to purchase, made them a rediculous offer, or threatened them into it some way. other than that, fair game

 

[georgie24]

The thread title is fucking silly and decieving, those bro's never scammed anyone

they got POPPED!!!!!

WTF is with you all throwing words around without mods permission?

Know at least some of the facts before you come preach to the quire

 

[ceo]

choir

 

[georgie24]

lol thanx

 

[Nelson Montana]

I agree. It never really sounded very logical. I'm glad I never used my real name. In fact I change it every once in awhile.

Sometimes I use Nelson Montana.

So I should be expecting my cut any day now?






















Uh oh. Who's there? The Federal Bureau of WHAT?!




Flusssssh.

 

[omega529]

Dont respond to any letters, clean house too. Louisiana is ran by a bunch of crooks....

 

[IronJunkey]

I wish you the best of luck with this...I would get all your info you need for getting gear..for the future on paper and stash it at a trusted friends house..and then get your HD out of your computer and smash it to a million pieces and buy a new one and start over.

It doesnt matter if you wipe out your HD if they come after you they can recover your data. My father is a forensic scientist..it can be done...

but.. on a lighter side..

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..OMG...He uses NELSON MONTANA.....
sorry buddy..it was funny

Just find a good app off a torrent and get a data program that allows for deep delete. They have a encryption software for your HD 2...im sure that would slow down, a southern police force...I dont think they will have traning like that for locals...unless it goes fed. But clean the pc and home and you should sleep well.

 

[Tuck]

Georgie, there was a thread a while back that said he turned scammer, and that was the general consensus. Obviously, he hadn't turned scammer; the gear wasn't shipping because the cops were running his business. I think that's pretty clear. I wasn't trying to smear his reputation, just posting an update. Are you a little, uh, testy?

 

[Doc_Evil]

It appears you've gotten a warning this time.Remember at least 2 more years we're all under an administration which mocks our Constitution,ideals and legal system.Do all you've been recommended here and clean house and your pc,while keeping your nose clean for some time.I conclude your order was personal.Even if you've never had a traffic ticket,read up on legal aspects and suggestions and never get lazy.You recieved 1 letter.If you recieve a phone call or knock at the door play dumb and say nothing ,but if they become persistent shut your mouth and explain you have a personal lawyer as they aren't your friends (as its your right and has nothing to do with innocent or guilt).Be aware the countries you order from (ex.Pakistan),your associates backgrounds past and present,and keep your personal decisiions /choices just that, yours!As for the legality of prosecutions these days,many don't seem to care even if they lose as unfortunately the vast majority who judge others do so from the unfounded or over hyped boob tube ,rather then books and scientific literature or research.Sure,anabolic usage has risks and side effects,use verse abuse,risk verse benefit.As well as that of all substances whether legal or illegal in ones eyes.So does flying a hangglider verse flying a kite.Point is seems once again the religous right is successfully making all of our decisions,those that are mine as long as there not effecting anyone else.
Last,i've consistently been told there is nothing that can completely clean ones harddrive.I'm not up to date on this issue.If i'm wrong please correct me.If not when cleaning house might be time to buy a new pc,or at least a harddrive.Think you'll be fine.Keep your cool,just readup and as insignifigant as your small personal order might be,can't be lazy about anything these days.Good luck,you'll be fine.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

The question still remains if LE is acting as the supplier they busted then what is the point in spending time and money continuing to run his business unless they are planning on prosecuting the folks trying to buy? What else would they be hoping to accomplish since they already have the big fish in custody?

Clean house.

Perp

Maybe they are planning on coming after yo uonly to testify against him and use what they have on you as leverage to encourage you to do so.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Just find a good app off a torrent and get a data program that allows for deep delete. They have a encryption software for your HD 2...im sure that would slow down, a southern police force...I dont think they will have traning like that for locals...unless it goes fed. But clean the pc and home and you should sleep well.

So a southern police force is not as smart or up to date as a yankee police force?


I have worked in a lot of different staes in several different ERs and there are dumb red necks everyhwere. the south is not the only place with dumb people. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying about the south and if I did I apologize but it just pisses me off when statements are made like that.

 

[Slyder190]

Hello! Are All The Addys Flagged Now?!

 

[Tuck]

I would guess that the adresses are flagged now, but if people ship under fake names -- which i SHOULD have done, damnit!!! -- they can't be held liable unless they sign for the package. No?

 

[jeb0177]

there's a big discussion over at ssb about this letter, there's a lot of bros that ordered within a month and a half period, where the FEDS were running this sting, they accumulated over 93k in just that short period of time. That letter is just letting you know that you have a chance to claim the money. that's it. DO NOT RESPOND TO THE LETTER PERIOD.


I WOULD CONSULT WITH AN ATTORNEY THOUGH. BETTER BE SAFE THAN SORRY.

 

[jeb0177]

read the letter again for the 32nd time, no packages were sent during the sting, they just want to keep the money, they got the big fish anyways.

if anything, they can contact your local dea office to arrest you to take you to court to prove that you ordered illegal aas, that is strong evidence though because they have you email addy, your name, order and physical addy...

I would guess that the adresses are flagged now, but if people ship under fake names -- which i SHOULD have done, damnit!!! -- they can't be held liable unless they sign for the package. No?

 

[Slyder190]

So what now? Are all the people who ordered off the hook, or is it just a matter of time?

 

[needtogetaas]

I agree. It never really sounded very logical. I'm glad I never used my real name. In fact I change it every once in awhile.

Sometimes I use Nelson Montana.

lol

 

[jeb0177]

well.. I hope they are off the hook though because if not..... fines are expensive and besides that probation is not funny. That's not all since this is a federal case, you can be locked up until they give you the chance for a hearing to bail you out (1-4wks) wks and this bonds are not like the state that you pay 10 percent, you have to pay in full or with properties to get you out on bail. that fu king sucks....

but then again....I hope this is not the case...

So what now? Are all the people who ordered off the hook, or is it just a matter of time?

 

[sofakingdel]

i got this letter and there are a lot of people from this board on there. its a good thing i got my powders well ahead of this, I knew a rainy day was coming.

 

[mobro]

always squirrel back in the times of plenty. rainy days always come sooner or later. smart move

 

[jeb0177]

yep there's some emails from here.

i got this letter and there are a lot of people from this board on there. its a good thing i got my powders well ahead of this, I knew a rainy day was coming.

 

[needtogetaas]

yes we are all fucked lol

 

[used2juice]

So what now? Are all the people who ordered off the hook, or is it just a matter of time?

No one is gonna know that question. There are a few scenarios that could play out.

Scenario 1. Everyone gets visits from the FDA criminal unit in order to strengthen the case against AP (who has not ben sentenced yet, BTW) and possibly others he dealt with in "the criminal conspiracy."

Scenario 2. The FDA just drops it because they already have who they want.

Scenario 3 (most likely IMO). FDA turns all info over to local law enforcement and allows them to decide if they wish to pursue charges in the local county court.

Now I think scenario 3 is way more likely than the other two. So in that case no one is guaranteed out of the woods, although I wouldn't spend my days watching out my door's peephole because I just don't believe most jurisdictions will waste their time. Have a lawyer in mind though, and DO NOT continue to order to the same addres you used just in case local LE decides they do care about you.

 

[nab12]

Just find a good app off a torrent and get a data program that allows for deep delete. They have a encryption software for your HD 2...im sure that would slow down, a southern police force...I dont think they will have traning like that for locals...unless it goes fed. But clean the pc and home and you should sleep well.

A southern police force? WTF does that mean? Why would you assume southern police forces don't have the same resources as one in New York?

 

[mobro]

actually they have more time in some places....not a good thing. if they were gonna try to make more cases from it they would have done so before they sent out the civil letters.

 

[jeb0177]

scenario 3 is most likely that could happen.

 

[Slyder190]

Well I'm puttin together an educated guess. I don't hink they'd be tryin to gety bros who ordered after they received their letters and have had time to clean house. (Of course i could be wrong) and I can't see them wasting much time when 99% of the time the response they get will be, "Talk to my attorney I have nothing to say."

 

[used2juice]

99% of the time the response they get will be, "Talk to my attorney I have nothing to say."

I sure hope this is the truth. But when half the people buying anabolics online are under 25 yrs old, they are basically gonna be scaring the hell out of college kids who will break pretty easily.

 

[georgie24]

if you bought heavy 1-2k+ continuously id worry...

smaller orders i would just clean house and say a prayer