SARS more dangerous than AIDS...

[40butpumpin]

SARS BUG DEADLIER THAN AIDS SAYS DOC Apr 24 2003

A LEADING doctor has warned the SARS virus could be more devastating than AIDS.

Dr Patrick Dickson called on world governments to act to stamp out the threat from the deadly respiratory illness.

Dr Dixon, one of Europe's experts on predicting global trends, said it could be more dangerous than AIDS because of its ability to spread quickly.

He said: "It is worth remembering that AIDS has infected 80 million people so far over 15 to 20 years.

"AIDS spreads slowly so we can track it and plan for it. We have effective anti- viral drugs which can prolong life.

"But this is different, we don't have the time. This is a far more serious epidemic potentially than AIDS."

Dr Dixon said his main concern was rural, isolated areas in China and around the world.

He added: "In a country like India, which is chaotic with minimum health provision, the potential for spreading the virus is huge."

Dr Dixon, a fellow at the Centre for Management Development at London Business School, said if current trends continued, there could be a billion cases within 60 weeks.

He has called on world leaders to address the problem as a matter of "national security".

The Government yesterday advised Britons not to travel to Toronto, Hong Kong and the Chinese provinces of Guangdong, Beijing and Shanxi because of SARS.

Toronto is the first location outside Asia added to the list.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

This statement I made is so true! "In the end, Gulf War II may be a footnote in history compared to SARS!"

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=223461&highlight=SARS


http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=224696&highlight=SARS

 

[ajtomasi]

So does this mean all of the under developed world is going to die?

 

[Simp]

So does this mean all of the under developed world is going to die?

Yes. Africa, Asia, and Canada are doomed.

 

[DealsMorte]

Sounds like a load of crap since peeps in the U.S. have already had it and gotten rid of it.


Last time I checked some antibiotics and "Medical" steriods doesn't get rid of AIDS.

I miss a meeting?

 

[40butpumpin]

This statement I made is so true! "In the end, Gulf War II may be a footnote in history compared to SARS!"

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=223461&highlight=SARS


http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=224696&highlight=SARS

I agree. SARS is about to kick the shit out of the population of this planet. Spreading like wildfire, mutating, kills rapidly and no cure whatsoever. Not a good combination.

Doc's have been saying for years that this day would come. In fact I remember reading an article in Time or something like that way back about a Superbug that will some day appear. Well, this is a superbug alright.

And has anyone been keeping track of the number of deaths compared to the number of cases? lol It's a lot more than 3 to 4%, I'll tell you that.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

I agree. SARS is about to kick the shit out of the population of this planet. Spreading like wildfire, mutating, kills rapidly and no cure whatsoever. Not a good combination.

Doc's have been saying for years that this day would come. In fact I remember reading an article in Time or something like that way back about a Superbug that will some day appear. Well, this is a superbug alright.

And has anyone been keeping track of the number of deaths compared to the number of cases? lol It's a lot more than 3 to 4%, I'll tell you that.

It just jumped to a 5.6 percent death rate for SARS as of yesterday!

Check out the second page top post!
http://boards.elitefitness.com/foru...229198&perpage=20&highlight=SARS&pagenumber=2

 

[danielson]

it really does my head in how flippant the medical authorities are being over this thing in countries over the world. if china had sorted themselves out we could have been betterprepared for this bastard. the worst thing is if it become rampant how the hell are doctors supposed to operate, almost all chest examinations requireclose contact and it gets soo dificult to barrier nurse large numbers of people

they know sooo little about this bug yet they are willing to let anyone in and just 'educate them'

wtf?!?

 

[Fonz]

Yes. Africa, Asia, and Canada are doomed.

Africa? Canada?

That would be a no.

I'm more inclined to say that China, Hong Kong and probably indochina/India are going to be seriously hard hit.

I'd puit my money on China being the worst hit.

Fonz

 

[ajtomasi]

All the people dieing from SARS are from the developing countries. If you live in a decent country you odds of beating it much far greater than some rice farmer in Indo-China that curls up and dies rather than going to a hospital.

I bet the Republican party put this virus out.

 

[40butpumpin]

Africa? Canada?

That would be a no.

I'm more inclined to say that China, Hong Kong and probably indochina/India are going to be seriously hard hit.

I'd puit my money on China being the worst hit.

Fonz

No doubt, China's gonna get slammed by this. But if it gets into India, man that will be a disaster, it's wall-to-wall people over there. China and India, both over 1e9 population.

 

[skaman607]

I'd puit my money on China being the worst hit.

They deserve it, they tried to keep this thing a secret from the rest of the world. The US may be arrogant, but China is just plain untrustworthy.

 

[ajtomasi]

They deserve it, they tried to keep this thing a secret from the rest of the world. The US may be arrogant, but China is just plain untrustworthy.

fucking Commies, I mean are we gonna split hairs here?

 

[Fonz]

They deserve it, they tried to keep this thing a secret from the rest of the world. The US may be arrogant, but China is just plain untrustworthy.

I'm still aghast that they actually came out and admitted it.

Loss of face is a HUGE deal in China.

And it came out of a Politburos members mouth no less!

Fonz

 

[gsxr1000]

I thought AIDS had a 100% mortality rate, while SARS was only 4% ????

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

I thought AIDS had a 100% mortality rate, while SARS was only 4% ????

Your figures are flawed bro!

 

[atlantabiolab]

I agree. SARS is about to kick the shit out of the population of this planet. Spreading like wildfire, mutating, kills rapidly and no cure whatsoever. Not a good combination.

Doc's have been saying for years that this day would come. In fact I remember reading an article in Time or something like that way back about a Superbug that will some day appear. Well, this is a superbug alright.

And has anyone been keeping track of the number of deaths compared to the number of cases? lol It's a lot more than 3 to 4%, I'll tell you that.

Stop with the doomsayers shit. This is so reminiscent of the environmentalist crap that the earth will die from plagues, famine and lack of resources, which have all fallen to the side as hysteria.

This is, as of yet, not even quite a SuperBug, which is a difficult term to pin down, since just because an organism is not killed with a present drug, does not mean that a drug will not be found effective. Of the reports that I have seen mentioned in the media, the largest mortality rate still looks no higher than 10%. Without more information on the patient populations and backgrounds, we don't have any information to determine what groups are more susceptable to this disease or to risk of death from it. The influenza virus kills more each year than this disease, yet I don't see everyone running to the hills to escape the Flu.

People are so fearful and irrational of what they do not understand, so they fail to place it in its proper perspective. Diseases happen, it is a fact of nature. Bacteria and viruses have yet to wipe us out and we have had thousands of years for them to do it. Years later we will most likely place SARS and West Nile in the same perspective that we now place influenza, RSV, and other viral diseases.

 

[Tuco]

You guys need to do a little research on Tuburculosis. It infects over 3700 people in NYC every year alone! It is still rampant but no one seems to remember it.

 

[Sinistar]

fuck sars. its bullshit.

 

[DUSTY]

aids is far worse than this sars is.

 

[gsxr1000]

Your figures are flawed bro!

What are the figures then?

 

[plornive]

In Hong Kong 1pm 24/4/2003:

Cumulative number of infected: 1488 (338 in health care sector)
Total number of discharged patients: 567 (128 in health care sector)
Total number of deaths: 109

The mortality rate is anywhere from 7% to 19%. Looks like it's about half way between those two figures.

http://www.info.gov.hk/dh/diseases/ap/eng/infected.htm

 

[plornive]

The biggest thing to worry about is how it will affect the economy. I know that sounds annoying, but listen. Consider Hong Kong. The daily number of new infections has stabilized in Hong Kong. That means that the total number of people infected at any given moment will also stabilize. Even if you live in Hong Kong, if you take many precautionary measures you *probably* won't become infected.

Now we need to worry about how SARS will stretch our resourcefulness and harm the world economy as it spreads.

 

[plornive]

I'm still aghast that they actually came out and admitted it.

Loss of face is a HUGE deal in China.

And it came out of a Politburos members mouth no less!

Fonz

That took balls.

The Chinese government needs to scrap the whole shame filled / detractor killing / victim playing act. They need to wake up and haul ass.

 

[40butpumpin]

Stop with the doomsayers shit. This is so reminiscent of the environmentalist crap that the earth will die from plagues, famine and lack of resources, which have all fallen to the side as hysteria.

This is, as of yet, not even quite a SuperBug, which is a difficult term to pin down, since just because an organism is not killed with a present drug, does not mean that a drug will not be found effective. Of the reports that I have seen mentioned in the media, the largest mortality rate still looks no higher than 10%. Without more information on the patient populations and backgrounds, we don't have any information to determine what groups are more susceptable to this disease or to risk of death from it. The influenza virus kills more each year than this disease, yet I don't see everyone running to the hills to escape the Flu.

People are so fearful and irrational of what they do not understand, so they fail to place it in its proper perspective. Diseases happen, it is a fact of nature. Bacteria and viruses have yet to wipe us out and we have had thousands of years for them to do it. Years later we will most likely place SARS and West Nile in the same perspective that we now place influenza, RSV, and other viral diseases.

Man you're either ignorant of the facts or just plain stupid. "Superbug" is a difficult term to pin down? Umm, lemme see, how about 'immune to any known form of medication or antibody.' Now that wasn't so hard was it?

You're the one who has a problem putting things into proper perspective. When was the last time they had executive orders drawn up for quarantines of people with the flu? Or warned against travel to major cities of the world due to the flu? Or closed down hospitals due to the flu?

They're not even sure how thing is passed from person to person as of yet.

"...doomsayers shit"? Man you said it not me. All I'm doing is keeping myself educated.

If you have a problem with that you can stick it up your ass.

 

[BigDdaGanjalist]

I live in Toronto.

Considering the amount of people infected/die(15) compared to our population in the GTA, you have a better chance of getting hit by car than contracting SARS.

Please don't buy into the media hype about what it's saying about Toronto.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Man you're either ignorant of the facts or just plain stupid. "Superbug" is a difficult term to pin down? Umm, lemme see, how about 'immune to any known form of medication or antibody.' Now that wasn't so hard was it?

You're the one who has a problem putting things into proper perspective. When was the last time they had executive orders drawn up for quarantines of people with the flu? Or warned against travel to major cities of the world due to the flu? Or closed down hospitals due to the flu?

They're not even sure how thing is passed from person to person as of yet.

"...doomsayers shit"? Man you said it not me. All I'm doing is keeping myself educated.

If you have a problem with that you can stick it up your ass.

Superbugs are bacterial, such as Tuberculosis, MRSA's, VRE's, etc., not viral. There are no highly effective anti-viral medications, save vaccinations. Their effectiveness is limited by their pharmacology.

Come back when you have your degree in microbiology.

 

[40butpumpin]

Superbugs are bacterial, such as Tuberculosis, MRSA's, VRE's, etc., not viral. There are no highly effective anti-viral medications, save vaccinations. Their effectiveness is limited by their pharmacology.

Come back when you have your degree in microbiology.

The fact is that they don't know if it's a bacteria, a virus or a combination of both. Currently people are being treated by antibiotics together with antiviral drugs. I have my degrees in Engineering but I'm able to read fortunately. I think I already told you where you can stick your degree in microbiology. If you have a problem with that PM me and I'll be happy to accomodate any ideas you may have of showing me how tough you are.

 

[Baby Gorilla]

Numbers lie....

....The mortality rate is anywhere from 7% to 19%. Looks like it's about half way between those two figures....

Actually, there's no way to predict mortality with much accuracy.

SARS will kill more in areas less inclined to have good health and good medical care. You could see 50% fatality in heavily populated, high population, impoverished areas before it's done. In first world nations, you might not see it go above 5% fatality.

 

[Citruscide]

In Hong Kong 1pm 24/4/2003:

Cumulative number of infected: 1488 (338 in health care sector)
Total number of discharged patients: 567 (128 in health care sector)
Total number of deaths: 109

The mortality rate is anywhere from 7% to 19%. Looks like it's about half way between those two figures.

http://www.info.gov.hk/dh/diseases/ap/eng/infected.htm

Hmm.. the mortality rate of fucking with Citruscide is 100%... shoooo nuff.

C-ditty

 

[SofaGeorge]

The mathematical prediciton all along was that as soon as we achieved a global society we would have a virus manefiest that would wipe out 80% of the world's population.

We are right on schedule.

 

[MsBeverlyHills]

George-- c'mon-- what a pessimist you are!! everyone in LA knows that you wont get SARS if you dont eat Chinese food... geez.

 

[HumorMe]

The mathematical prediciton all along was that as soon as we achieved a global society we would have a virus manefiest that would wipe out 80% of the world's population.

We are right on schedule.

Right on!

Glad I live in SC...shit....nobody knows we exist.

 

[plornive]

Re: Numbers lie....

Actually, there's no way to predict mortality with much accuracy.

SARS will kill more in areas less inclined to have good health and good medical care. You could see 50% fatality in heavily populated, high population, impoverished areas before it's done. In first world nations, you might not see it go above 5% fatality.

Well, I wasn't trying to be accurate outside of Hong Kong.

Hong Kong doesn't have too bad of a health care system... it is only a little bit worse than the US. And people are usually inclined to have good health.

 

[suburbangorilla]

Anyone ever notice how the CDC (and many other such organizations) will jump on a virus like SARS, that progresses very quickly, like flies racing to fresh cow shit. They have even said they are "very close" to figuring out how to successfully treat it. But when it comes to a virus with a lower rate of progression, like AIDS, they sit on their ass and ask for research grants.

I can recall reading an article about 3 or 4 years ago, where a few doctors volunteered themselves to be infected with the AIDS virus. They had come up with some sort of vaccine, that they were certain would work. But the "powers that be" gave them a big fat NO to testing it on humans. With that in mind, I assumed they already had positive results with tests on animals. Then I never heard anything else about it.........makes me wonder if someone was worried about lining their pockets first.

Then again, what do i know? My dad always told me that my brown eyes meant i was full of shit! haha

 

[Norman Bates]

There have been much more deadly flu epidemics than SARS.
Of course, it´s tragic and it´s sad that we can´t do much about it except to treat the symptoms.
Nevertheless it´s not nearly as deadly as other diseases.
It will kill some people, which is sad, but i´m not going to lose much sleep about it or start thinking of nature´s revenge against humanity or the apocalypse.

 

[plornive]

I can recall reading an article about 3 or 4 years ago, where a few doctors volunteered themselves to be infected with the AIDS virus. They had come up with some sort of vaccine, that they were certain would work. But the "powers that be" gave them a big fat NO to testing it on humans. With that in mind, I assumed they already had positive results with tests on animals. Then I never heard anything else about it.........makes me wonder if someone was worried about lining their pockets first.

Then again, what do i know? My dad always told me that my brown eyes meant i was full of shit! haha

AIDS is not a virus.

A vaccine prevents people from being infected with something. Therefore, no one would volunteer to become infected with something because they had a vaccine.

One researcher named Peter Duesberg volunteered to become infected with HIV, claiming HIV doesn't cause AIDS. He probably knew he wouldn't get any grant money for this, and just wanted to make a point.

 

[suburbangorilla]

AIDS is not a virus.

A vaccine prevents people from being infected with something. Therefore, no one would volunteer to become infected with something because they had a vaccine.

One researcher named Peter Duesberg volunteered to become infected with HIV, claiming HIV doesn't cause AIDS. He probably knew he wouldn't get any grant money for this, and just wanted to make a point.

(i stand corrected) I guess i should have used the term HIV instead of AIDS, but they are both the same thing.

"The virus and the infection itself are known as HIV. The term AIDS (acquired immunodeficiency syndrome) is used to mean the later stages of HIV infection. But both the terms HIV and AIDS refer to the same disease." - www.mayoclinic.com


If you dont beleive me about the vaccine...go here http://www.aegis.com/news/re/1997/RE970910.html and i didnt say the people who wanted to test their vaccine wanted a grant. I meant that HIV/AIDS research groups in general want grants.

 

[plornive]

(i stand corrected) I guess i should have used the term HIV instead of AIDS, but they are both the same thing.

"The virus and the infection itself are known as HIV. The term AIDS (acquired immunodeficiency syndrome) is used to mean the later stages of HIV infection. But both the terms HIV and AIDS refer to the same disease." - www.mayoclinic.com


If you dont beleive me about the vaccine...go here http://www.aegis.com/news/re/1997/RE970910.html and i didnt say the people who wanted to test their vaccine wanted a grant. I meant that HIV/AIDS research groups in general want grants.

"He said the group was not proposing the ultimate test of a vaccine -- exposure to the infectious agent, in this case HIV." (http://www.aegis.com/news/re/1997/RE970910.html). They weren't planning to expose themselves to HIV. They were planning to expose themselves to a vaccine, which is a virus similar to HIV.

I see what you are saying now and you have a point. Maybe you should state things more clearly.

 

[coldblue1955]

well it looks like the sars case has went down a bit.

 

[glennds]

i dont buy it. the press is shameless in their pursuit of ratings and/or circulation. this is precisely the type of story they just love to blow out of proportion. most people are interested in new scary diseases and will tune in to the likes of matt lauer and disgusting katie couric to find out the progress of this KILLER disease!