SARMS-s4 Study

[Carlito B]

Carlito B, dont buy into Ross bullshit. He just likes to stir up drama imo.

I know I was just playing along...lol.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Not to mention being to able to fit in your clothes, not running out of breat, no bloat, no acne, increased blood pressure, moon face, tits, etc...

Yep, HGH and S4 is the smart way to go

Keep in mind guys, Im USING sarms, Im not bashing it at all, Im continuing to use it and im sure with the 10 sarms they have now that they will get one that will help more with mass and act more like stronger AAS and it will be even better. The ONLY part I dont agree with is PCT use, that is all. My libido got all strange for a week on and off, as well as other members feeling less full, lack of drive, libido issues, and other feelings of shutdown, Im just not sure if they got bloodwork before most of them starting using things like UNLEASHED and HCGenerate to get them feeling normal again. Many members on other boards and even on here have started using HCGenerate or Unleashed while on or just after SARMS use because they didnt feel great and felt MILDLY shutdown.

Eh, I dont know why everyone is turning everything into a FIGHT, its not a popularity contest, just debating the documented information we all have so far.

-Legacy

 

[Ross]

What FACTS?

Didn't you read he will he have BW done soon.

No matter how much you bash Sarms it will never be FAD as you described it as it is being used by pro athletes already besides I heard there will be an ORD 2 coming in April or May and I am sure many will choose to use Sarms-4 instead of taking legal risks.

Oh, wait until the new Sarms comes out later this year; it will make this current S4 look obsolete so I heard, lol.

If you want the FACTS, check the scientific DATA. Sarms do in fact inhibit the HPTA, do you not understand that?

No one is bashing sarms, we are just saying they are not a replacement for anabolic steroids and they definitely should not be used during PCT.

 

[REFORMATA]

I heard talk of birth defects with sarms..what's the deal with that?

 

[needtogetaas]

It's not a matter of OPINION, it's a matter of FACT--sarms should be avoided during PCT because they can inhibit the HPTA and prevent complete endogenous testosterone recovery.

Using a sarm or any other supplement in place of anabolic steroids is fine, especially if you don't want to be huge. Anabolic steroids are for men trying to gain significant amounts of lean muscle mass, and sarms will not do that, you are correct.

Ross I have seen you all over this forum in every thread about sarms. You have made it a point so you must have some kind of a agenda. No one puts that much effort into a subject day in and day out unless they have some kind of a agenda

Now I have seen you your self Make threads about using

1. Using steroids for pre pct!
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...pct-active-recovery-ross-erstling-612012.html

Claming its perfectly fine to use lesser amounts and different "steroids" as a form of pct or pree pct.

2. Then your beauty of a thread (The Anabolic BRIDGE) and I will quote your exact words

"post-cycle regimens containing Aromatase Inhibitors and SERM's are simply not enough for the SERIOUS bodybuilder to maintain his muscular gains post-cycle. Once a bodybuilders reaches a certain point of muscular development, the continued use of a mild anabolic becomes justified.."

And many many more threads like it.

So here you are in this thread and all the other sarms threads daily talking about how bad it is to even think about using a low does of sarms during pct or after a cycle to help keep gains???????????????????

Ross All one has to do is look through your threads to find out you are contradicting your self my friend.

Why have you chosen to go on the attack rather then stopping to think sarms would work 1000000000000 times better with ether one of these Ideas you have come up with.


Whether or not sarms is the best choice for pct remains to be seen. I have seen you say (check the studies) but not once seen you post one. Now I my self have seen enough studies and real world feed back on my end to say its not a completely bad idea.

How I would personally use sarms and the way I feel it would be most effective.

1. stand alone muscle,endurance,strength enhancement
25mg twice to 3 times a day. If i had to rank it I would put it above any natural supplement on the market and below any of the steroids or otc steroids out there. As for sides a lot less then all of them except for the blurred vision thing which at lower doses is not so much a problem.

2. Used for pre pct before pct. Most often there is a 2 weeks window in which people often take nothing before they start there pct. I have never liked this Idea and feel people should start pct right away (depending) but one great option ( which you your self have spoke often of) is pre pct. I think sarms fits perfectly into this spot. When your cycle ends jump on some sarms for 4 weeks and then after that start pct. One could also add other sups to this protocol or even hcg/hmg, ai's or even a dht like a very light dose of provirone.

3. Blasting between cycles. Ie when the cycle is over do regular pct then jump on something like bridge for a few weeks. then throw in a 4 week cycle of sarms. One could cycle 4 weeks on sarms 4 weeks on bridge back and forth like this all the way till there next cycle and I feel they would be perfectly fine in doing so.



Now moving onto your comment in this post. " Using a sarm or any other supplement in place of anabolic steroids is fine, especially if you don't want to be huge"

OK another contradiction on your part again. Lets take a peace from a write up you did on one of your "natural product" I took the liberty of replacing the name of the product with "ross's natural product" but we get the point and we all see the massive contradictions.


"There is nothing as POWERUL as "ross's natural product" for producing lean muscle mass, raw strength, sustained endurance, freaky vascularity, and incredible muscle hardness and definition."ross's natural product" creates the most ANABOLIC environment possible, by using multiple mechanisms of action and multiple pathways to trigger the greatest gains in lean muscle-mass and strength that can be achieved. There is truly NOTHING on the market that can compare to "ross's natural product" incredible MASS-BUILDING, STRENGTH INDUCING effect. Users can easily expect to put on 5-10 pounds within 4 weeks, and continued gains thereafter.

WTF ROSS!!!!!!!!!!^^^^ can I or can I not get fucking massively huge using your damn natural product man?


The fact of the matter is this. Sarms work and the person selling them here on ef in no way makes outraguse claims about then ( like you have with products you have made). No but they do claim that sarms is a effective product and building muscle mass,endurance,and strength as well as being able to help in burning fat. Also claims have been made that sarms can be used during pct. I do not think this is wrong but I also feel there is much better uses for it.

Stop being a burden to the members and leaders of this forum and start finding ways to help. No one wants to keep looking at this kind of crap from you all day every day. Thanks

 

[B_mac]

amen im tired of seeing that pic to. well put needto

 

[truckdaddy]

Ross I have seen you all over this forum in every thread about sarms. You have made it a point so you must have some kind of a agenda. No one puts that much effort into a subject day in and day out unless they have some kind of a agenda

Now I have seen you your self Make threads about using

1. Using steroids for pre pct!
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...pct-active-recovery-ross-erstling-612012.html

Claming its perfectly fine to use lesser amounts and different "steroids" as a form of pct or pree pct.

2. Then your beauty of a thread (The Anabolic BRIDGE) and I will quote your exact words

"post-cycle regimens containing Aromatase Inhibitors and SERM's are simply not enough for the SERIOUS bodybuilder to maintain his muscular gains post-cycle. Once a bodybuilders reaches a certain point of muscular development, the continued use of a mild anabolic becomes justified.."

And many many more threads like it.

So here you are in this thread and all the other sarms threads daily talking about how bad it is to even think about using a low does of sarms during pct or after a cycle to help keep gains???????????????????

Ross All one has to do is look through your threads to find out you are contradicting your self my friend.

Why have you chosen to go on the attack rather then stopping to think sarms would work 1000000000000 times better with ether one of these Ideas you have come up with.


Whether or not sarms is the best choice for pct remains to be seen. I have seen you say (check the studies) but not once seen you post one. Now I my self have seen enough studies and real world feed back on my end to say its not a completely bad idea.

How I would personally use sarms and the way I feel it would be most effective.

1. stand alone muscle,endurance,strength enhancement
25mg twice to 3 times a day. If i had to rank it I would put it above any natural supplement on the market and below any of the steroids or otc steroids out there. As for sides a lot less then all of them except for the blurred vision thing which at lower doses is not so much a problem.

2. Used for pre pct before pct. Most often there is a 2 weeks window in which people often take nothing before they start there pct. I have never liked this Idea and feel people should start pct right away (depending) but one great option ( which you your self have spoke often of) is pre pct. I think sarms fits perfectly into this spot. When your cycle ends jump on some sarms for 4 weeks and then after that start pct. One could also add other sups to this protocol or even hcg/hmg, ai's or even a dht like a very light dose of provirone.

3. Blasting between cycles. Ie when the cycle is over do regular pct then jump on something like bridge for a few weeks. then throw in a 4 week cycle of sarms. One could cycle 4 weeks on sarms 4 weeks on bridge back and forth like this all the way till there next cycle and I feel they would be perfectly fine in doing so.



Now moving onto your comment in this post. " Using a sarm or any other supplement in place of anabolic steroids is fine, especially if you don't want to be huge"

OK another contradiction on your part again. Lets take a peace from a write up you did on one of your "natural product" I took the liberty of replacing the name of the product with "ross's natural product" but we get the point and we all see the massive contradictions.


"There is nothing as POWERUL as "ross's natural product" for producing lean muscle mass, raw strength, sustained endurance, freaky vascularity, and incredible muscle hardness and definition."ross's natural product" creates the most ANABOLIC environment possible, by using multiple mechanisms of action and multiple pathways to trigger the greatest gains in lean muscle-mass and strength that can be achieved. There is truly NOTHING on the market that can compare to "ross's natural product" incredible MASS-BUILDING, STRENGTH INDUCING effect. Users can easily expect to put on 5-10 pounds within 4 weeks, and continued gains thereafter.

WTF ROSS!!!!!!!!!!^^^^ can I or can I not get fucking massively huge using your damn natural product man?


The fact of the matter is this. Sarms work and the person selling them here on ef in no way makes outraguse claims about then ( like you have with products you have made). No but they do claim that sarms is a effective product and building muscle mass,endurance,and strength as well as being able to help in burning fat. Also claims have been made that sarms can be used during pct. I do not think this is wrong but I also feel there is much better uses for it.

Stop being a burden to the members and leaders of this forum and start finding ways to help. No one wants to keep looking at this kind of crap from you all day every day. Thanks

great post Needto!!!!!!!!!!!! Ross, you should try the S4, you may fall in love.

I have done many cycles, and at my age, I feel its the best thing yet that really produces results.

 

[needtogetaas]

Interesting. So Sarms out for PCT purposes? Is it still good for post PCT as a bridge? Would it itself require a PCT standing alone, if suppressive?

WHat you want to do is skip right over all the mobo jobo and get right to the point of the study that you are looking for ( what everyone in this thread is discussing for the most part)

S-1 and S-4 partially suppressed LH production at dose rates of 0.5 mg/day or higher. However, it is important to note that S-1 and S-4 did not suppress LH production at the dose levels needed to produce the desired pharmacological effects

If i could make it bigger I would. ^^^^^

No matter what anyone else is saying this completely answers the question. can it be suppress LH? yes it can but not until you are taking doses higher then needed to produce the desired pharmacological effects!!!!

Does this make it a Ideal PCT product when recovery is the number 1 name of the game. Meh Not really. Does it make it one of the best products ever for short blast between cycles? You bet your ass it does.

It also makes it a great add to a cycle, a great stand alone muscle builder, and great for pre pct too.

 

[Ross]

You guys really need to pay attention, no one is saying that sarms are not useful in any way, we are simply stating the fact that studies have demonstrated sarms can indeed inhibit hpta function and ubsequently reduce endogenous testosterone production. For this reason, sarms should be avoided during PCT.

On a side note, I just searched s.com and found 5 logs including bloodwork which showed inhibition of tha hpta. Do a searxch for yourselves, I'm just speaking the facts.

 

[Hyooj]

WHat you want to do is skip right over all the mobo jobo and get right to the point of the study that you are looking for ( what everyone in this thread is discussing for the most part)

S-1 and S-4 partially suppressed LH production at dose rates of 0.5 mg/day or higher. However, it is important to note that S-1 and S-4 did not suppress LH production at the dose levels needed to produce the desired pharmacological effects

If i could make it bigger I would. ^^^^^

No matter what anyone else is saying this completely answers the question. can it be suppress LH? yes it can but not until you are taking doses higher then needed to produce the desired pharmacological effects!!!!

Does this make it a Ideal PCT product when recovery is the number 1 name of the game. Meh Not really. Does it make it one of the best products ever for short blast between cycles? You bet your ass it does.

It also makes it a great add to a cycle, a great stand alone muscle builder, and great for pre pct too.

^^^ Best post in the thread. Thanks dude.