Sarms S-4 My observations

[floridalife]

Ok so I didn't really know what to expect, but here is what I personally experienced at 60mg/day split into 2 doses 30mg each

Within 2 weeks I noticed a big change in body composition

Hard to explain but everything seemed tighter, drier

I actually lost some weight and found it difficult to put on weight.

Infact I felt and did eat basically anything I wanted. It seemed to have a crazy metabolism effect for me.

Didn't notice much if any mass gain, or strength gain

Was on for 6 weeks


Curious if anyone else have experienced this ability to eat anything you want on it

Was really hoping for some anabolic muscle mass type gains, but I just didn't see it - was hoping for more steroidal type effects even very mild :/

It's interesting stuff and I will try it again..

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Everyone has said SAMRS is NOT a MASS drug. Its more of a strength, recovery, recomp drug. It tends to help make muscles more dense and hard and help keep strength up. I like it since 50mg helps give you some results, nothing CRAZY but solid and steady changes.

-Legacy

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

On another note, I just went into the bathroom, walked by the mirror and i noticed some more veins in my shoulders and bi's, very bright blue coming through...niiiiice

-Legacy

 

[Boxingheels]

Would you take it again with your results?

 

[split endz]

I did not gain any mass or strength on sarms either. I also did not experience any body composition change. Dosage was 50mg ed split into 2 doses. Did notice vision sides however.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Im still on it, week 5'ish, got a whole new bottle too

-Legacy

 

[dr.shavargo]

im skeptical of it...

 

[Hyooj]

I'm saving mine for after PCT, right when I start cutting. I'm hoping that with a strict diet I can lose a lot of bodyfat and keep most of my mass.

 

[RADAR]

I did not gain any mass or strength on sarms either. I also did not experience any body composition change. Dosage was 50mg ed split into 2 doses. Did notice vision sides however.

I hate to say this ,but! If you didn't have a good foundation to start with do not expect to see any noticable gains from SARMS.

My body composition changed completely on SARMS, Would i use it again?????

HELL YEAH!

RADAR

 

[Blaster22]

I've been using it for almost 6 weeks now and have noticed increased in strength and stamina. It won't pack on muscle but will harden you up. BF has also dropped but I've pretty much had a clean diet. It started changing my body comp around week 3-4. My only concern is after reading some old posts about it (this was several years back) that it can make you infertile. I hope this is only bro science and not true. Also read on another board that it was suppresive but that person was dosing at 100ml a day. I'm waiting to see what Radars blood work says since I'm dosing at the same as him. I might have to do a PCT if thats the case and not start a new cycle. Overall I like it though.

 

[split endz]

I hate to say this ,but! If you didn't have a good foundation to start with do not expect to see any noticable gains from SARMS.

My body composition changed completely on SARMS, Would i use it again?????

HELL YEAH!

RADAR

After 20+ years of consistent training, I have to say my foundation is solid. I have been hesitant to say much about sarms because you, plunkey, and some others have seen good results. For that reason, I may try it again. If I try it again, I will not try to use it as a bridge (as I did this time) after coming off a 8 wk var cycle, which is a time that my body always tries to return to a median weight & strength.

 

[ChemWiz]

I hate to say this ,but! If you didn't have a good foundation to start with do not expect to see any noticable gains from SARMS.

My body composition changed completely on SARMS, Would i use it again?????

HELL YEAH!

RADAR

same here, total body comp change.

 

[floridalife]

So after much research and speaking with degreed biochemists, etc etc... my results make perfect sense.

It's not truly body comp changes. What it seems to boil down to is supression of natural estrogen which in turn reduces your water retention, making you more veiny and harder, as well as possibly slightly more agressive in the gym. That's the main effect of SARMS, aside form that to a small degree it will also help your body more effectively process and use avilable protein. But in my opinion and the opinion of 3 diff biochemists, one who engineers drugs and tests daily on lab animals, that SARMS is in no way any form of a Steroid.

 

[truckdaddy]

Love the sarms s4.

Will be starting again soon.

A great stand alone and the perfect bridge.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I just did a short cycle and the impression was similar. I've used it since but I may do a serious cycle soon. But I think the jury is in. It will do what testosterone does but without the water weight and mass gains. It does seem to work more like a mild steroid like primobolan, even if it technically isn't a "steroid."

ALthough it would work great as a "taper", a kick start, or an "add on" I wouldn't use it as a bridge. I also wouldn't do high dosages of it. It has its place in controlled amounts.

 

[floridalife]

I just did a short cycle and the impression was similar. I've used it since but I may do a serious cycle soon. But I think the jury is in. It will do what testosterone does but without the water weight and mass gains. It does seem to work more like a mild steroid like primobolan, even if it technically isn't a "steroid."

ALthough it would work great as a "taper", a kick start, or an "add on" I wouldn't use it as a bridge. I also wouldn't do high dosages of it. It has its place in controlled amounts.

Agreed brother, not knocking it. but think people are misunderstanding the personal results or feeling they are witnessing, know what I mean? It does have it's place and I'm currently on round 2 myself.

 

[truckdaddy]

Agreed brother, not knocking it. but think people are misunderstanding the personal results or feeling they are witnessing, know what I mean? It does have it's place and I'm currently on round 2 myself.

I think its an amazing compound. its not going to get you big like dbol.

If you like the lean hard look its great. I also get stronger on sarms and my recovery time is like night and day. This stuff is a must have if you are a tested athlete, and its not on any banned list yet.

I feel it makes a great bridge and and can be used in PCT, that is just my personal opinion. I have ran it 5 or 6 times and will be again soon.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I'm finishing up bottle number 2, I think Im done with SARMS...I'll give it another go later down the road when they perfect it more for growth.

-Legacy

 

[Nelson Montana]

I think its an amazing compound. its not going to get you big like dbol.

If you like the lean hard look its great. I also get stronger on sarms and my recovery time is like night and day. This stuff is a must have if you are a tested athlete, and its not on any banned list yet.

I feel it makes a great bridge and and can be used in PCT, that is just my personal opinion. I have ran it 5 or 6 times and will be again soon.

Using SARMS as a bridge would be like using any suppressive compound as a bridge. It's no a bridge at all. True, SARMS's is LESS suppressive, but so is Primobolan. But use enough and long enough, it'll suppress.

Time off means time off. This is why we crated the supplement BRIDGE. It keeps you growing with no suppression whatsoever.

 

[truckdaddy]

Using SARMS as a bridge would be like using any suppressive compound as a bridge. It's no a bridge at all. True, SARMS's is LESS suppressive, but so is Primobolan. But use enough and long enough, it'll suppress.

Time off means time off. This is why we crated the supplement BRIDGE. It keeps you growing with no suppression whatsoever.

I understand that you have "bridge" that you recommend. And Im sure its a solid supplement.

I feel that when we have blood-work of peoples HPTA recovering while ON SARMs(after long cycles at that),that in itself makes it a great bridge.

You have your opinion and I have mine. I say it makes a great bridge, stand alone and has its place in PCT.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I understand that you have "bridge" that you recommend. And Im sure its a solid supplement.

I feel that when we have blood-work of peoples HPTA recovering while ON SARMs(after long cycles at that),that in itself makes it a great bridge.

You have your opinion and I have mine. I say it makes a great bridge, stand alone and has its place in PCT.

It has nothing to do with opinion. It's about the truth, and no one knows for sure yet. As it stands, it seems SARMS are less suppressive but not entirely. That means you may not fully recover. If you still choose to use it, that's fine, but I agree -- let's see more of those blood tests.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Medical Fact (via EVERY study): SARMS shows suppression

Why do people continue to argue this fact based on Bro-ology and the mixture of about 5 other compounds along with SARMS in PCT, seeing as then you don't know what to contribute the results to.

I just ran 2 bottles of SARMS, I can say with certainty I had some shut down and needed HCGenerate to bring me back to feeling at all close to normal.

-Legacy

 

[Carlito B]

But in my opinion and the opinion of 3 diff biochemists, one who engineers drugs and tests daily on lab animals, that SARMS is in no way any form of a Steroid.

Who said Sarms were steroids?

Those biochemists should know better by simply looking at the chemical structure of sarms, hormone and a drug are very different in structure.

Just saying...

 

[Carlito B]

come on bro, be real pls

Medical Fact (via EVERY study): SARMS shows suppression

Why do people continue to argue this fact based on Bro-ology and the mixture of about 5 other compounds along with SARMS in PCT, seeing as then you don't know what to contribute the results to.

I just ran 2 bottles of SARMS, I can say with certainty I had some shut down and needed HCGenerate to bring me back to feeling at all close to normal.

-Legacy

Are you suggesting that the aforementioned supplement ( which I am sure is good but have not tried it ) was the "only" compound that was able to help you restore your natural test levels?

How about Hcg or clomid?

I think this is a good PCT and I have 12 years of experience lifting , using AAS ( although is been 2 years since I am clean ) and more...

Lr3-igf-1
Aromasin ( those who know how to use it )
Clomid
Hcg
S4 ( low dose and no more than 3 or 4 weeks )
The supplement of your choice like the one you mentioned or Sustain Alpha by Primordial Performance.

C

 

[truckdaddy]

It has nothing to do with opinion. It's about the truth, and no one knows for sure yet. As it stands, it seems SARMS are less suppressive but not entirely. That means you may not fully recover. If you still choose to use it, that's fine, but I agree -- let's see more of those blood tests.

I would like to see more blood-tests as well and im sure we will. The fact that we have blood-tests where people are "recovering" while on sarms is very promising.

Legacy, I have ran sarms a half a dozen times and felt no shutdown. That being said, if one wants to add some HCGenerate to play it safe, I wouldn't think it was a bad idea. Im a big fan of needto products.

I feel there is a place for low dose sarms in PCT, as a bride and as a stand alone. Just my opinion.

 

[Carlito B]

if one wants to add some HCGenerate to play it safe, I wouldn't think it was a bad idea. Im a big fan of needto products.

I feel there is a place for low dose sarms in PCT, as a bride and as a stand alone. Just my opinion.

Yeah I heard good things about needto products I will be trying them soon.

There is a place for a low dose sarms on a PCT protocol, while ON and , bridging or as a stand alone depending on how it is used of course. Hey I can grow muscle and get very strong with only 200mg of deca per week and nothing else but that is just me, not everyone reacts the same.

C

 

[Nelson Montana]

I see SARMS as a possible "mini cycle" in-between cycles as long as you're off everything else and using supps like BRIDGE, HCGenerate and UNLEASHED. That can be a TREMENDOUS advantage, since you can get away with minimal suppression. But staying on till the next cycle -- not good IMO.

Don't get greedy!

 

[needtogetaas]

and nelson wtf you doing up lmao

 

[needtogetaas]

I see SARMS as a possible "mini cycle" in-between cycles as long as you're off everything else and using supps like BRIDGE, HCGenerate and UNLEASHED. That can be a TREMENDOUS advantage, since you can get away with minimal suppression. But staying on till the next cycle -- not good IMO.

Don't get greedy!

I like this idea as well and its a much much much cheaper option too lol.. samrs is some good shit, its powerful so respect them.

 

[Nelson Montana]

and nelson wtf you doing up lmao

lol Ya caught that? Couldn't sleep, so guess what I do? It's a sickness!