safe but effective cycle

[MASSIVEMONSTER]

currently running tren and test prop. have ran about ten cycles over the past 3-4 years but getting continually worried about bad health. one minute i think, lets go full blast and go for all out size and forget about health issues. The next minute i think, hey, i`m only 26 dont wanna have a heart attack, etc.

My BP is 120-80 off cycle and now its 132/90 on cycle so its not too high at all. i run 6 weeks on, 8 weeks off now but want to run a safe course - therefore something which will yield gains but not compromise my health.
what do you all suggest?
was thinking of primo and test but test is bad for lipid levels.
tren is a no no i`d guess too.
i`m at the cross roads and unsure whether to give up gear and level off at 200lb or push for 225 and stay on gear.
any help or advice guys?
Cheers

 

[southeastar]

currently running tren and test prop. have ran about ten cycles over the past 3-4 years but getting continually worried about bad health. one minute i think, lets go full blast and go for all out size and forget about health issues. The next minute i think, hey, i`m only 26 dont wanna have a heart attack, etc.

My BP is 120-80 off cycle and now its 132/90 on cycle so its not too high at all. i run 6 weeks on, 8 weeks off now but want to run a safe course - therefore something which will yield gains but not compromise my health.
what do you all suggest?
was thinking of primo and test but test is bad for lipid levels.
tren is a no no i`d guess too.
i`m at the cross roads and unsure whether to give up gear and level off at 200lb or push for 225 and stay on gear.
any help or advice guys?
Cheers

there's not much to say about this its just a choice and you have to choose for yourself and know what is more important for you.we all know that the gear that gives more gains will also give more sides.a safe cycle for me would be small amounts of test and some primo or eq.

 

[AlwaysOn]

was thinking of primo and test but test is bad for lipid levels.
Cheers

test is bad for lipid levels??

it probably is, but i would think test would be one of the safer choices in this respect?

 

[big49ersfan]

i was thinking about this im 22 and a medical student so i worry about health all day every day i thought when im a dentist and can afford whatever i would run mainly primo and var cycles

but then i was told to get the best out of primo it is good to have an androgen bumo for why so i though about adding masteron to mix which seems to be ok for health sides form my reading but again bump for knowledge from more expeirnced bros.

 

[scout69]

Hey man it's always a risk but it's on you if it's one you want to take..Only you can make tha decision all I can sayy is keep an (eye) out for problems and keep getting checked up..

 

[bilter]

lots of info has been posted in regards to lipid levels and trying to maitain a healthy profile while on (test has not proven to be any harder on lipids than primo). I think the 3 things one should be most concerned about when on are: lipid levels, BP and liver enzyms. Orals (generally speaking) affect lipids and liver the most. Gear that causes a lot of water retention increase Bp (generally speaking). All of these issues can be controlled IF one takes the right supps and eats the right diet and includes at least 30 min of cardio 3 times per week. The last consideration is that everyone reats differently to aas. So, you can stick with the ones that are considered "safer" but I think more important is to get regular blood tests (when off & clean, when on and post cycle) to see exactly how your cycles are affecting your health. You may be suprised to find they are having less of a neg impact than you think.

 

[paridhm]

Primo is widely accepted as one of the most safe steroids to take. While it is an expensive compound, your health is the most important. Just don't expect test like gains.

 

[boston789]

Yeah, I would run a primo only or primo/anavar. If you got the cash running 600-800mg ew of primo for 8-10 weeks and 50mg ed anavar for 6-9 weeks should yeild some decent quality gains. Nothing too crazy but they will be keepable.

 

[Mavafanculo]

var = trashed HDL.

so its safe re bitch tits and baldness, not safe re coronary artery disease, especially if huge doses long cycles repeated cycles etc.

i cant believe var is always mentioned as a "safe" aas. safe for the cosmetic sides yes. not for the one that counts.

 

[boops]

currently running tren and test prop. have ran about ten cycles over the past 3-4 years but getting continually worried about bad health. one minute i think, lets go full blast and go for all out size and forget about health issues. The next minute i think, hey, i`m only 26 dont wanna have a heart attack, etc.

My BP is 120-80 off cycle and now its 132/90 on cycle so its not too high at all. i run 6 weeks on, 8 weeks off now but want to run a safe course - therefore something which will yield gains but not compromise my health.
what do you all suggest?
was thinking of primo and test but test is bad for lipid levels.
tren is a no no i`d guess too.
i`m at the cross roads and unsure whether to give up gear and level off at 200lb or push for 225 and stay on gear.
any help or advice guys?
Cheers

hey bro, i too stood right where your at currently and had to make a choice to keep on pushing and getting bigger (perhaps at the detriment of my health) or just level off and go for more of an atheletic physique without gear...i was "helped' to make the decision when i learned of the coming of "pitter patter of little feet" and the need to start to focus more of my income towards my child, im glad i did....needless to say i have been gear free for the better part of a year and a half and while i contemplate doing it again at some point i am comfortable with my decision to go for more of an atheltetic build (i have abs woo hoo LOL)...while my situation differs from yours (somewhat) i told you this to show you it really is just a matter of personal preference and only you can decide what you want to do....just keep in mind no matter what you do you can always change your mind at some point bro such as i may do soon.....goodluck

 

[kethnaab]

on a side note, something you might want to consider is doing some higher intensity cardio while off-cycle to get your health in order. The BP, resting heart rate and lipid levels won't go up as high if you start them off lower, know what I mean?

 

[Xconcept00]

when i decide to do a cycle... i go all out with it... some say its dumb... some say im the shit.. personally im the second one

 

[Mr.X]

currently running tren and test prop. have ran about ten cycles over the past 3-4 years but getting continually worried about bad health. one minute i think, lets go full blast and go for all out size and forget about health issues. The next minute i think, hey, i`m only 26 dont wanna have a heart attack, etc.

My BP is 120-80 off cycle and now its 132/90 on cycle so its not too high at all. i run 6 weeks on, 8 weeks off now but want to run a safe course - therefore something which will yield gains but not compromise my health.
what do you all suggest?
was thinking of primo and test but test is bad for lipid levels.
tren is a no no i`d guess too.
i`m at the cross roads and unsure whether to give up gear and level off at 200lb or push for 225 and stay on gear.
any help or advice guys?
Cheers

Safe but effective: Test, primo and anavar, make sure you run Arimidex and have nolvadex on hand.

 

[Tux]

What Mr. X said. Test in moderate doses has actually shown to be beneficial to the heart. As long as you keep your water retention in check with adex and have nolva onhand, you should have no BP problems, no lipid problems, and no liver issues. And I'm a pre-pharmacy student myself, I've told my father( an MD) to put several of his LIVER cancer patients on anavar. Guess what? They got better. Anavar in moderate doses does very little to your lipids. It's more dose-dependant than individually dependant. Primo, test with adex, and low-dose var are all good options. EQ would probably be a good one as well... slow, steady gains, nothing drastic, no big water weight, no lipid or BP problems. You might need to donate a pint of blood if you take over 600mg/week of EQ, but otherwise it's pretty safe too.

 

[Mavafanculo]

Anavar in moderate doses does very little to your lipids. It's more dose-dependant than individually dependant. .

bro - based on personal experience and by posts on this and other boards, var is one of the WORST at trashing HDL. ranks with winny and anadrol if I recall in this regard.

moderate doses of var? for a male bodybuilder that means 50-80 mg daily or you're just wasting money and time.

I get down to single digit HDL within a few weeks of 50 mg var.

 

[AlwaysOn]

i was thinking about this im 22 and a medical student so i worry about health all day every day i thought when im a dentist and can afford whatever i would run mainly primo and var cycles

but then i was told to get the best out of primo it is good to have an androgen bumo for why so i though about adding masteron to mix which seems to be ok for health sides form my reading but again bump for knowledge from more expeirnced bros.

um so are you a medical student or a dental student....

i bet you are a dental student

 

[AlwaysOn]

if you want SAFE....just use testE and NPP...NO orals

 

[boston789]

I've always said, 'the less orals the better'.

 

[musketeer]

I'd just do a reasonable amount of effective stuff like 250mg of sust every 5 days and 200mg of deca every 4 days for about a 60 day cycle. Should work well and have minmal sides - just have some Nolvadex handy and maybe some HCG for afters.

I have not used Turinanol but it seems damned good for moderate results at low risk too...