*Ross Presents: The Peanut Butter & Jelly Cycle*

[BigCracker]

but the memories of tapping "sexy ass" is lifelong!!!

So are the warts on your dick!!!

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Interesting. But you neglect to say why or how. Is this substantiated, or made up?

He didn't make it up...It's directly from an article I wrote:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/masteron-as-an-anti-estrogen.htm

 

[AAP]

Dude people stay on for years and are able to retrieve normal levels usually within 12-18 months of going clean.

Many people here will agree with me on this....Maybe even AR ???

I know he is on HRT, like myself.

I have never done any kind of PCT whatsoever.

I did 34 weeks of EQ and winstrol before and just stopped. Bounced right back.

My last cycle was 1 gram test weekly, 800mg EQ weekly, 3 ius of GH daily and when I simply stopped the cycle. Later (8 months) I took that hormone test for establishing a baseline for my Derma use with PP and my test levels were in the high range.

I honestly believe you can bring your body back to normal levels on it's own. As long as you don't have any obstacles in your way (smoking habits, excessive drinking, diet slacking, etc..)

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Dude people stay on for years and are able to retrieve normal levels usually within 12-18 months of going clean.

Many people here will agree with me on this....Maybe even AR ???

I know he is on HRT, like myself.

I was on for three years, and came off for three weeks...I was still at the high(er) end of hypogonadal (just under 250ng/dl) without any PCT at all.

I assume I would have been somewhere in the low end of normal within a month or two. I don't know how long it would have taken me to get to the level I was at prior to every doing any AAS (about 650ng/dl, taken just prior to my first cycle at age 19)...that probably wouldn't even be possible, because a decade has passed, but I'm reasonably sure I could get to maybe a high 400 or so...low(ish) but nowhere near hypogonadal...maybe back to my 19 year old levels with my pct protocol and supplement.

 

[BigCracker]

I honestly believe you can bring your body back to normal levels on it's own. As long as you don't have any obstacles in your way (smoking habits, excessive drinking, diet slacking, etc..)

Welp, that eliminates about 90% of the guys here. lol

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Welp, that eliminates about 90% of the guys here. lol

As a side note on smoking...Nicotine lowers estrogen (is an AI)...and maybe helps with keeping DHT where I'd want it too.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Dude people stay on for years and are able to retrieve normal levels usually within 12-18 months of going clean.

Many people here will agree with me on this....Maybe even AR ???

I know he is on HRT, like myself.

Do you mean stay on "cycle" for years or HRT?

Not sure if it makes a difference... some believe that suppression is suppression, regardless of how much test, etc. you take... and then those that believe there are varying degrees of suppression, which would suggest that one could recover more easily from 18 months of "HRT dosages" as opposed to 18 months of "cycle dosages"

 

[muscleup]

I tend to believe supression is supression, but hey thats just me.

I was speaking in terms of HRT with a few "blast" in there as well.

Do you mean stay on "cycle" for years or HRT?

Not sure if it makes a difference... some believe that suppression is suppression, regardless of how much test, etc. you take... and then those that believe there are varying degrees of suppression, which would suggest that one could recover more easily from 18 months of "HRT dosages" as opposed to 18 months of "cycle dosages"

 

[njmuscleguy]

I tend to believe supression is supression, but hey thats just me.

I was speaking in terms of HRT with a few "blast" in there as well.

And you're saying it's proven that people can make full recovery after long periods of suppression?

 

[muscleup]

sure it is.....Endo's will have somone on TRT/HRT for years and they can make a full recovery....The body will eventually "even" itself out.

In some cases people do not recover, but usually this means they were going to go hypogonadal is the long term anyways.

Also this is not advice that Im giving out...Just discussion.

And you're saying it's proven that people can make full recovery after long periods of suppression?