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Roid rage?

Jesus...guys, it comes down to maturity and self-control...end of discussion.

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yup this is the bottom line right here. this is why i don't encourage young guys to juice, I don't think anyone on here can honestly say that looking back when they were in their early 20's they were even close to mature as compared to late 20's or 30's.

the danger becomes it makes every juicer out there look bad when guys act stupid and re-inforces stupid stereotypes
 
yup this is the bottom line right here. this is why i don't encourage young guys to juice, I don't think anyone on here can honestly say that looking back when they were in their early 20's they were even close to mature as compared to late 20's or 30's.

the danger becomes it makes every juicer out there look bad when guys act stupid and re-inforces stupid stereotypes

^^^ and Steve puts the nail in the coffin!

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Out of interest do you think the ''mind training'' / psychiatrist assisted in getting the maximum from the AAS?

I certainly believe its a major factor

Wrongun!

The four years of visits with the psychiatrist were chats about a how my job was going, relationships with family, friends, how's my sex life, and to see how I was getting along with the medication.
There were no "Mind training",meditation, relaxation techniques aspects during any of the visits. Buddy talk actually.
When I did my first injection of AAS and once it kicked in, all the negative BS, slowly went away! My next visit to see Dr.Mac,
I had a shit-eatin' grin on my face. I even made the doctor laugh by cracking a few jokes, something I've never done before. AAS has been much better than a psychiatrist's couch.
 
The four years of visits with the psychiatrist were chats about a how my job was going, relationships with family, friends, how's my sex life, and to see how I was getting along with the medication.
There were no "Mind training",meditation, relaxation techniques aspects during any of the visits. Buddy talk actually.
When I did my first injection of AAS and once it kicked in, all the negative BS, slowly went away! My next visit to see Dr.Mac,
I had a shit-eatin' grin on my face. I even made the doctor laugh by cracking a few jokes, something I've never done before. AAS has been much better than a psychiatrist's couch.

So all that stuff just went away? Or changed, or stopped bothering you once you started AAS? Or are you saying it somehow altered your perception of your issues and made you not care or worry about them anymore? I'm not trying to be smart or discredit what you're saying, I am just personally trying to get an understanding of the affects this stuff has on different people, it seems to not effect any two people the same way, which is why there's no definitive answer for this girl, without having a history of the kind of guy her boyfriend is.

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This from Wikipedia, but all the info is based on studies that are referenced if you want to look into it further:

A 2005 review determined that some, but not all, randomized controlled studies have found that anabolic steroid use correlates with hypomania and increased aggressiveness, but pointed out that attempts to determine whether AAS use triggers violent behavior have failed, primarily because of high rates of non-participation.[66] A 2008 study on a nationally representative sample of young adult males in the United States found an association between lifetime and past-year self-reported anabolic-androgenic steroid use and involvement in violent acts. Compared with individuals that did not use steroids, young adult males that used anabolic-androgenic steroids reported greater involvement in violent behaviors even after controlling for the effects of key demographic variables, previous violent behavior, and polydrug use.[67] A 1996 review examining the blind studies available at that time also found that these had demonstrated a link between aggression and steroid use, but pointed out that with estimates of over one million past or current steroid users in the United States at that time, an extremely small percentage of those using steroids appear to have experienced mental disturbance severe enough to result in clinical treatments or medical case reports.[68]
A 1996 randomized controlled trial, which involved 43 men, did not find an increase in the occurrence of angry behavior during 10 weeks of administration of testosterone enanthate at 600 mg/week, but this study screened out subjects that had previously abused steroids or had any psychiatric antecedents.[37][69] A trial conducted in 2000 using testosterone cypionate at 600 mg/week found that treatment significantly increased manic scores on the YMRS, and aggressive responses on several scales. The drug response was highly variable. However: 84% of subjects exhibited minimal psychiatric effects, 12% became mildly hypomanic, and 4% (2 subjects) became markedly hypomanic. The mechanism of these variable reactions could not be explained by demographic, psychological, laboratory, or physiological measures.[70]
A 2006 study of two pairs of identical twins, in which one twin used anabolic steroids and the other did not, found that in both cases the steroid-using twin exhibited high levels of aggressiveness, hostility, anxiety, and paranoid ideation not found in the "control" twin.[71] A small-scale study of 10 AAS users found that cluster B personality disorders were confounding factors for aggression.[72]

Anabolic steroid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
This is one of the many things I read in my research as well. Its crazy how they say personality disorders effect a persons reactions to it. So in essence, AAS effects everyone, just some in good ways and some in bad.

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Thats not what I said, and I agree 100%.

What it really comes down to is self control. If you have the tendency to be irritable and you take AAS, its a possibility that you could become more irritable, but by no means does that mean you shouldnt use - its just a matter of if you think you can mitigate it with self control.

Wasn't referring to your post as it was not you that said that?


Wrongun!
 
Yea, it does come down to that. But when you lose control of both of those things being on, its not that simple to deal with. Especially when the person on doesn't realize they are being affected by it.

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Agree 100% it is so simple to just say self control but the whole issue is you do not know you are not in full control due to other influences

Wrongun!
 
It is so easy to say ''self control'' nothing to worry about but it is a real issue. That is like saying to someone with mental health issues ''simply pull yourself together''!

There are sop many influences e.g. relationships, work related stress etc etc that can cause the most stable of people to act with more anger. In the sport of BB and dedicated fitness training it requires determination, focus and some aggression (just to life extreme weights). The mind is the most powerful and is influenced by so many factors which can send the most med free of people into anger. If you add AAS there is a possibility for this to intensify. It is NOT age specific and there is not a common denominator e.g Tren or situation that causes it.

Its shocking that some think its simply a self control issue as if it was then no one would have fights, get angry, have mood swings etc etc as we live in the real where life is a roller coaster.

How do we assist - we train our minds as well as out bodies.

How about the professional BB's that have been killed / jailed for violence? did they have no self control - they dieted, trained religiously over many many years but lost control - why because they took tren? because they were under 30? no a mixture of circumstance and possibly enhanced due to diet, AAS etc etc

IMHO this is a very very real side of AAS that is so often ''brushed under the carpet'' because there is no magical tablet that cures it

As i have said before it has been used as mitigation and accepted in court as mitigation for certain acts. It is being recognised more and more but the authorities will simply put it down to AAS which is not the case they are however a major factor if you like it or not and should IMHO be discussed far more as we seems to always talk about gyno but dismiss anything like this.

Wrongun!
 
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