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Roid rage?

chantellemaries

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I have a question about juice and anger/aggressiveness/rage.
If a Guy say 210lbs dedicated to the gym 4-5 times week min. Is taking this combination

Test 400 every 3 days
Tren 250 every 3 days
Dbol oral 25 every day sometimes 50.

What causes this side effect?? Is it the combination? ? One in particular that causes it more than others? Taking too much of something??

Thanks!!

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What is your age? Stats? It's for sure tren...
 
Its not for me.
32 years old

What do u want for stats

Been off the tren for a few days how long does it take for those side effects to go away...

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So can I assume test or dbol doesn't cause those side effects...

What about dropping tren and adding deca..

I don't know much about these and effects on aggression/ rage.



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So many of these threads at the mo... 15 mins research could have told you the side effects of tren and how best to manage them...
 
What the fuck are you talking about? I have been running Tren at 700wk and if you bad mouth it one more time I will find you and bash your brains in and stomp on them with my boots.
 
Just kidding... I don't believe in RR. I was always an angry violent guy. Now I am just worse. It's like liquor.
 
how bout acting mature and stop acting like you are in a south american prison.

if you are not mature enough to handle AAS than do us all a favor and stay away from it. I get sick of hearing the same bs from people that steroids make you angry or impotent or whatever. these myths come from somewhere, it is IRRESPONSIBLE people who take AAS that turn those myths into reality and ruin it for the rest of us.
 
All replys are true and kbordner, you almost made me spit up my beer. I also want phytoserms 347 just bc of the ass in the ad.
 
it looks like the poster is asking about her boyfriend , hence the actual lack of knowledge of yhe compounds used and risks associated with them.

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I get some irritability from test usually. If I keep my stomach full and happy that doesn't seem to be a problem. I think most AAS can probably cause a little increase in aggression but I've found the word rage is a bit overkill. If you already have anger problems then yeah... It's going to be uncomfortable. But I agree, you should've known this far before you ever considered starting.
 
it looks like the poster is asking about her boyfriend , hence the actual lack of knowledge of yhe compounds used and risks associated with them.

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Appears as though you are correct. I didn't catch that. I thought it was just another dumb fuck in a long line of dumb fucks that we seem to be getting overrun by lately.

My apologies to the OP ma'am. It's the Tren.
 
Aggression comes from the individual, some people are just more aggressive (assholes) than others regardless of how much test you are taking. Me personally I don't get any aggression on test and/or any other prohormones. I believe each person is different and reacts differently.
 
I'm assuming you are asking on your boyfriends account? I hope he has he had experience with anabolics before as that is not a combination to be taken lightly. If he is having trouble with aggression the best thing to do would be to stop the cycle and sort himself before taking gear again.
 
Aggression comes from the individual, some people are just more aggressive (assholes) than others regardless of how much test you are taking. Me personally I don't get any aggression on test and/or any other prohormones. I believe each person is different and reacts differently.

Best reply on the thread IMHO

Increase in anger is a very real side to taking AAS. It is not compound specific and there are so many influences that can cause it but it is a very real side that needs to be considered and managed as much as gyno etc etc.

There is no SUPP to assist there are therapies (CBT being one) but it should be recognised and not dismissed as some can do many cycles and not get it then other influences in life mixed with the meds can cause it and the worse bit the user is usually the last to accept its a problem

Wrongun!
 
Best reply on the thread IMHO

Increase in anger is a very real side to taking AAS. It is not compound specific and there are so many influences that can cause it but it is a very real side that needs to be considered and managed as much as gyno etc etc.

There is no SUPP to assist there are therapies (CBT being one) but it should be recognised and not dismissed as some can do many cycles and not get it then other influences in life mixed with the meds can cause it and the worse bit the user is usually the last to accept its a problem

Wrongun!


so glad to see you guys not making a joke of a very serious issue. Been doing my own research and found that in some men, even just higher levels of test will cause aggression, has something to do with the way men are wired to be the dominant male.

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If you're an angry person or an aggressive person, advil will probably make you more aggressive :)

Tren will cause night sweats and bad cardio....aggression really depends on the individual and it's more of a psychological thing...people think they are superman on juice and start pickign fights....frickin idiots
 
also, if you don't know much on these things, you should not ask these questions or be on the juice...do more research before you ask these questions.

If this is about your boyfriend, he should make an account on here so we can help him....broken telephone with steroids is not exactly a very good thing.
 
Just kidding... I don't believe in RR. I was always an angry violent guy. Now I am just worse. It's like liquor.

^ this exactly. Roid rage is a myth for the most part (small biological basis for it, but not much). It is also my belief that its generally the type of people that decide to juice that cause the anger and aggression and not the substance itself.
 
I really do not think it is helpful just to say if you are aggressive then don't take AAS - AAS can bring out a side of them that is hidden / suppressed etc. These sides are NOT realised by all and also NOT med specific. There also influences outside of AAS that may bring it on which is then enhanced by the med.

It is a very real side that should be discussed a lot more and can not be cured by a SUPP. Aggression caused by AAS has also been used in court as mitigation which is not good.

I am now a string believer in CBT which many can benefit from in controlling what sides may be realised and assist in getting the most from a cycle. For those who do not know what CBT is here is some info

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT)

Simply dismissing it as agressive people should not take and do more research is not helpful IMHO as it is a significant side that is not constant with far too many other influences (e.g. the calmest person catches his wife or girlfriend having an affair caused increased anger and aggression which can cause events not usually realised by this person). If that person happens to be on an AAS cycle what is the actual cause? The tren or the circumstances which is escalated by the med?

It is impossible to simply say do not take if you may get increased agression - that being the case no one should take as there are too many outside influences

Wrongun!
 
I really do not think it is helpful just to say if you are aggressive then don't take AAS - AAS can bring out a side of them that is hidden / suppressed etc. These sides are NOT realised by all and also NOT med specific. There also influences outside of AAS that may bring it on which is then enhanced by the med.

It is a very real side that should be discussed a lot more and can not be cured by a SUPP. Aggression caused by AAS has also been used in court as mitigation which is not good.

I am now a string believer in CBT which many can benefit from in controlling what sides may be realised and assist in getting the most from a cycle. For those who do not know what CBT is here is some info

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT)

Simply dismissing it as agressive people should not take and do more research is not helpful IMHO as it is a significant side that is not constant with far too many other influences (e.g. the calmest person catches his wife or girlfriend having an affair caused increased anger and aggression which can cause events not usually realised by this person). If that person happens to be on an AAS cycle what is the actual cause? The tren or the circumstances which is escalated by the med?

It is impossible to simply say do not take if you may get increased agression - that being the case no one should take as there are too many outside influences

Wrongun!

Well said!

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"Roid Rage". It's all in the individual mind. I had been seeing a psychiatrist for all sorts of shit. From aggression yelling and snapping at people to trying to committing suicide.
I found steroids in 2006 and once on, they became my panacea. I ditched the psychiatrist and the medication. I saw him at the hospital yesterday and said, "Hi Dr. Mac, remember me"? His eyes bucked, "You're looking good Mr. Jackson!", "Yeah doc, I feel fine, take care". RR is BS!
 
"Roid Rage". It's all in the individual mind. I had been seeing a psychiatrist for all sorts of shit. From aggression yelling and snapping at people to trying to committing suicide.
I found steroids in 2006 and once on, they became my panacea. I ditched the psychiatrist and the medication. I saw him at the hospital yesterday and said, "Hi Dr. Mac, remember me"? His eyes bucked, "You're looking good Mr. Jackson!", "Yeah doc, I feel fine, take care". RR is BS!

Out of interest do you think the ''mind training'' / psychiatrist assisted in getting the maximum from the AAS?

I certainly believe its a major factor

Wrongun!
 
I really do not think it is helpful just to say if you are aggressive then don't take AAS - AAS can bring out a side of them that is hidden / suppressed etc. These sides are NOT realised by all and also NOT med specific. There also influences outside of AAS that may bring it on which is then enhanced by the med.

It is a very real side that should be discussed a lot more and can not be cured by a SUPP. Aggression caused by AAS has also been used in court as mitigation which is not good.

I am now a string believer in CBT which many can benefit from in controlling what sides may be realised and assist in getting the most from a cycle. For those who do not know what CBT is here is some info

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT)

Simply dismissing it as agressive people should not take and do more research is not helpful IMHO as it is a significant side that is not constant with far too many other influences (e.g. the calmest person catches his wife or girlfriend having an affair caused increased anger and aggression which can cause events not usually realised by this person). If that person happens to be on an AAS cycle what is the actual cause? The tren or the circumstances which is escalated by the med?

It is impossible to simply say do not take if you may get increased agression - that being the case no one should take as there are too many outside influences

Wrongun!

Thats not what I said, and I agree 100%.

What it really comes down to is self control. If you have the tendency to be irritable and you take AAS, its a possibility that you could become more irritable, but by no means does that mean you shouldnt use - its just a matter of if you think you can mitigate it with self control.
 
Best reply on the thread IMHO

Increase in anger is a very real side to taking AAS. It is not compound specific and there are so many influences that can cause it but it is a very real side that needs to be considered and managed as much as gyno etc etc.

There is no SUPP to assist there are therapies (CBT being one) but it should be recognised and not dismissed as some can do many cycles and not get it then other influences in life mixed with the meds can cause it and the worse bit the user is usually the last to accept its a problem

Wrongun!

Agreed. Liffalot put it nicely as well.
 
Jesus...guys, it comes down to maturity and self-control...end of discussion.

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Yea, it does come down to that. But when you lose control of both of those things being on, its not that simple to deal with. Especially when the person on doesn't realize they are being affected by it.

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Jesus...guys, it comes down to maturity and self-control...end of discussion.

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yup this is the bottom line right here. this is why i don't encourage young guys to juice, I don't think anyone on here can honestly say that looking back when they were in their early 20's they were even close to mature as compared to late 20's or 30's.

the danger becomes it makes every juicer out there look bad when guys act stupid and re-inforces stupid stereotypes
 
yup this is the bottom line right here. this is why i don't encourage young guys to juice, I don't think anyone on here can honestly say that looking back when they were in their early 20's they were even close to mature as compared to late 20's or 30's.

the danger becomes it makes every juicer out there look bad when guys act stupid and re-inforces stupid stereotypes

^^^ and Steve puts the nail in the coffin!

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Out of interest do you think the ''mind training'' / psychiatrist assisted in getting the maximum from the AAS?

I certainly believe its a major factor

Wrongun!

The four years of visits with the psychiatrist were chats about a how my job was going, relationships with family, friends, how's my sex life, and to see how I was getting along with the medication.
There were no "Mind training",meditation, relaxation techniques aspects during any of the visits. Buddy talk actually.
When I did my first injection of AAS and once it kicked in, all the negative BS, slowly went away! My next visit to see Dr.Mac,
I had a shit-eatin' grin on my face. I even made the doctor laugh by cracking a few jokes, something I've never done before. AAS has been much better than a psychiatrist's couch.
 
The four years of visits with the psychiatrist were chats about a how my job was going, relationships with family, friends, how's my sex life, and to see how I was getting along with the medication.
There were no "Mind training",meditation, relaxation techniques aspects during any of the visits. Buddy talk actually.
When I did my first injection of AAS and once it kicked in, all the negative BS, slowly went away! My next visit to see Dr.Mac,
I had a shit-eatin' grin on my face. I even made the doctor laugh by cracking a few jokes, something I've never done before. AAS has been much better than a psychiatrist's couch.

So all that stuff just went away? Or changed, or stopped bothering you once you started AAS? Or are you saying it somehow altered your perception of your issues and made you not care or worry about them anymore? I'm not trying to be smart or discredit what you're saying, I am just personally trying to get an understanding of the affects this stuff has on different people, it seems to not effect any two people the same way, which is why there's no definitive answer for this girl, without having a history of the kind of guy her boyfriend is.

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This from Wikipedia, but all the info is based on studies that are referenced if you want to look into it further:

A 2005 review determined that some, but not all, randomized controlled studies have found that anabolic steroid use correlates with hypomania and increased aggressiveness, but pointed out that attempts to determine whether AAS use triggers violent behavior have failed, primarily because of high rates of non-participation.[66] A 2008 study on a nationally representative sample of young adult males in the United States found an association between lifetime and past-year self-reported anabolic-androgenic steroid use and involvement in violent acts. Compared with individuals that did not use steroids, young adult males that used anabolic-androgenic steroids reported greater involvement in violent behaviors even after controlling for the effects of key demographic variables, previous violent behavior, and polydrug use.[67] A 1996 review examining the blind studies available at that time also found that these had demonstrated a link between aggression and steroid use, but pointed out that with estimates of over one million past or current steroid users in the United States at that time, an extremely small percentage of those using steroids appear to have experienced mental disturbance severe enough to result in clinical treatments or medical case reports.[68]
A 1996 randomized controlled trial, which involved 43 men, did not find an increase in the occurrence of angry behavior during 10 weeks of administration of testosterone enanthate at 600 mg/week, but this study screened out subjects that had previously abused steroids or had any psychiatric antecedents.[37][69] A trial conducted in 2000 using testosterone cypionate at 600 mg/week found that treatment significantly increased manic scores on the YMRS, and aggressive responses on several scales. The drug response was highly variable. However: 84% of subjects exhibited minimal psychiatric effects, 12% became mildly hypomanic, and 4% (2 subjects) became markedly hypomanic. The mechanism of these variable reactions could not be explained by demographic, psychological, laboratory, or physiological measures.[70]
A 2006 study of two pairs of identical twins, in which one twin used anabolic steroids and the other did not, found that in both cases the steroid-using twin exhibited high levels of aggressiveness, hostility, anxiety, and paranoid ideation not found in the "control" twin.[71] A small-scale study of 10 AAS users found that cluster B personality disorders were confounding factors for aggression.[72]

Anabolic steroid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
This is one of the many things I read in my research as well. Its crazy how they say personality disorders effect a persons reactions to it. So in essence, AAS effects everyone, just some in good ways and some in bad.

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Thats not what I said, and I agree 100%.

What it really comes down to is self control. If you have the tendency to be irritable and you take AAS, its a possibility that you could become more irritable, but by no means does that mean you shouldnt use - its just a matter of if you think you can mitigate it with self control.

Wasn't referring to your post as it was not you that said that?


Wrongun!
 
Yea, it does come down to that. But when you lose control of both of those things being on, its not that simple to deal with. Especially when the person on doesn't realize they are being affected by it.

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Agree 100% it is so simple to just say self control but the whole issue is you do not know you are not in full control due to other influences

Wrongun!
 
It is so easy to say ''self control'' nothing to worry about but it is a real issue. That is like saying to someone with mental health issues ''simply pull yourself together''!

There are sop many influences e.g. relationships, work related stress etc etc that can cause the most stable of people to act with more anger. In the sport of BB and dedicated fitness training it requires determination, focus and some aggression (just to life extreme weights). The mind is the most powerful and is influenced by so many factors which can send the most med free of people into anger. If you add AAS there is a possibility for this to intensify. It is NOT age specific and there is not a common denominator e.g Tren or situation that causes it.

Its shocking that some think its simply a self control issue as if it was then no one would have fights, get angry, have mood swings etc etc as we live in the real where life is a roller coaster.

How do we assist - we train our minds as well as out bodies.

How about the professional BB's that have been killed / jailed for violence? did they have no self control - they dieted, trained religiously over many many years but lost control - why because they took tren? because they were under 30? no a mixture of circumstance and possibly enhanced due to diet, AAS etc etc

IMHO this is a very very real side of AAS that is so often ''brushed under the carpet'' because there is no magical tablet that cures it

As i have said before it has been used as mitigation and accepted in court as mitigation for certain acts. It is being recognised more and more but the authorities will simply put it down to AAS which is not the case they are however a major factor if you like it or not and should IMHO be discussed far more as we seems to always talk about gyno but dismiss anything like this.

Wrongun!
 
This is one of the many things I read in my research as well. Its crazy how they say personality disorders effect a persons reactions to it. So in essence, AAS effects everyone, just some in good ways and some in bad.

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Well said

Wrongun!
 
So all that stuff just went away? Or changed, or stopped bothering you once you started AAS? Or are you saying it somehow altered your perception of your issues and made you not care or worry about them anymore? I'm not trying to be smart or discredit what you're saying, I am just personally trying to get an understanding of the affects this stuff has on different people, it seems to not effect any two people the same way, which is why there's no definitive answer for this girl, without having a history of the kind of guy her boyfriend is.

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To be perfectly honest with you, that negative stuff evaporated like water from my brain and consciousness. I believe the AAS altered the neurons, pathways, and synapses of my brain. Elevating diminished hormone levels and altering my moods from bad to good. I felt like a fog had been lifted from my mind. I no longer had muddled thinking. Thoughts became clear and sharp. A few days in, I noticed that I began to develop self-confidence, self-esteem, and self-worth, something that was lacking in my life. All of this occurred in less than 30 days!
I've always wanted to try AAS, but the stories about "Roid Rage" and how teens were getting fucked up on the stuff, was at the forefront in my mind. As long as the hospital pharmacy continues to send me the TEST E for TRT through the mail and my sources are still around, I'll be injecting for the rest of my life.
 
To be perfectly honest with you, that negative stuff evaporated like water from my brain and consciousness. I believe the AAS altered the neurons, pathways, and synapses of my brain. Elevating diminished hormone levels and altering my moods from bad to good. I felt like a fog had been lifted from my mind. I no longer had muddled thinking. Thoughts became clear and sharp. A few days in, I noticed that I began to develop self-confidence, self-esteem, and self-worth, something that was lacking in my life. All of this occurred in less than 30 days!
I've always wanted to try AAS, but the stories about "Roid Rage" and how teens were getting fucked up on the stuff, was at the forefront in my mind. As long as the hospital pharmacy continues to send me the TEST E for TRT through the mail and my sources are still around, I'll be injecting for the rest of my life.

That's awesome. Congrats on all that. So glad to finally hear a story about how this stuff actually changed someone's life, and I don't mean changed it in a "ooo, look at my muscles" kind of way. Definitely having a higher level of self esteem will change your outlook on life. When I lost a lot of weight I felt really good about myself, I felt a rise in all those things you mentioned. Like I said before, congrats on what appears to be you getting your life back.

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I have a question about juice and anger/aggressiveness/rage.
If a Guy say 210lbs dedicated to the gym 4-5 times week min. Is taking this combination

Test 400 every 3 days
Tren 250 every 3 days
Dbol oral 25 every day sometimes 50.

What causes this side effect?? Is it the combination? ? One in particular that causes it more than others? Taking too much of something??

Thanks!!

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Depends on the individual really. I think MANY people use AAS use as a crutch or an excuse to act like
an ass. If your in control of yourself, none of these should cause you any problems that you cant handle.
 
Depends on the individual really. I think MANY people use AAS use as a crutch or an excuse to act like
an ass.

There is certainly more and more of that as it is being used in court's as mitigation for agressive acts. No tests are done to even see if the accused has even taken any AAS it is simply accepted as mitigation which is wrong but also highlights the real issue that it is a serious and genuine side. It is not however IMHO the main instigator but an accelerant to an underlying issue

All can be managed IMHO but takes as much work training the brain as it does the body. Everyone talks about gyno. spots, loss of libido etc etc but aggression, mood swings are often not discussed or debated but is a very real and major side

Wrongun!
 
That's awesome. Congrats on all that. So glad to finally hear a story about how this stuff actually changed someone's life, and I don't mean changed it in a "ooo, look at my muscles" kind of way. Definitely having a higher level of self esteem will change your outlook on life. When I lost a lot of weight I felt really good about myself, I felt a rise in all those things you mentioned. Like I said before, congrats on what appears to be you getting your life back.

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I thank you for your appreciation and your post. When I first began using AAS, all of my attention was focused on "getting big" in as little of time as possible. I would dosed at 3,000 mg., 5,000mg, and even 10,000mg. a month. That's over now and I'm at about 1,000-1,500mg. a month. just to maintain what muscles I have left and to keep my sanity. I can't make it to the gym like I used to years ago. I like to keep my test level around or above 1,500ng/dl. lest the mental disease will return. My test results this week, 1443ng/dl. the only one on the sheet I'm concerned about. I did have to stop using for 2-3 months one time to please an asshole of an urologist that didn't want me to use steroids. He wanted to see how low my TEST will get.
Dropped to 223ng/dl.
It was quite an excruiating period of time.
My girlfriend insists that I use steroids because the sex is that much better for her and she loves it.
I wished the best of luck to those that are having behavioral and personality difficulties with AAS.
 
I do think it definitely affects people differently ( like every substance on earth effects people differently) but my experience with it was very much the opposite. I realized how hard I could push myself while "on" which just completely recharged my whole life and since the first cycle i did a year and a half ago I have been able to count the beers I've had with just the ten fingers on my hands. I started eating crazy healthy and just became obsessed with reaching a goal I have for myself. I used to have a couple episodes a year where I'd get black out rage and not even know what I was doing. But I can honestly say that just from the life style I began to love constantly pushing my bodies limits which in turn has left me so humble because all that pent up bad shit is always left in the gym. Don't get me wrong I've felt angry but as Steve already mentioned it's about having a little fucking self control. I have it in my head to be much much calmer now because I don't want that stigma of people saying oh look at that big angry kid it must be the roids. Which usually is when I get pissed knock them out and jerk off on their face :)
 
I'm glad everyone here accepts that it is the individual's mental makeup which will proscribe him or her to exhibit aggressive,arrogant, hostile behavior and not so much the drug.
Self-control should be a prerequisite when using steroids. I use meditation daily.
 
I'm glad everyone here accepts that it is the individual's mental makeup which will proscribe him or her to exhibit aggressive,arrogant, hostile behavior and not so much the drug.
Self-control should be a prerequisite when using steroids. I use meditation daily.

Very true BUT do you not think that AAS can be in certain people a factor that can potentially cause some to exhibit aggressive, arrogant and hostile behavior? Some can do many cycles but then other influences while on cycle can cause the med to accelerate this behaviour within the user?

It is my belief all humans have the ability to show this and it is many influences that can cause some to realise it AAS being one

I do however believe that no matter what with the right training it can be managed.

Self control is massive BUT the definition of control is the point as some loose it and do not realise they have. AAS has caused this in some. If behaviour trained then more of a chance to control IMHO

Very good thread this and a very important subject IMHO

Wrongun!
 
why don't u research symptoms of anxiety and panic attack then go to a doc and tell him ur symptoms and tell him/her that a friend once gave u xanax or clonipin (0.5 mgs) and it helped"

all u need is one (1) 0.5 mg of those meds (they're in the Valium family) and u will feel mellow during ur cycle.

if ur usin that much juice, u must be a hard-gainer and i feel for u...that much dbol f's up ur liver even with liver protectant stuff like milk thistle and liv pro 52 & even primordial liver juice & even drinking at least a gal. of water. i would just stick to not more than 30 mgs/dbol a day.

have u been bruising easily???--that's a sign ur liver is being over-worked.

i'd just be extra-nice and smile a lot and just make stupid jokes to yourself..

even at the gym.. if u smile while pumping weights like David Henry IFBB pro does then your body is in a relaxed state kind of like the drunk driver who gets into an accident and doesn't get hurt at all cos the alcohol made his muscles real relaxed.

chiropractors tell their patients to smile just before an adjustment so the body part being manipulated/adjusted will be relaxed right at the moment when they do their "move"

u can't do much work outs at a mental ward of a hospital or a jail cell if you ever get in a roid rage bad enough...trust me...i know..i could do like 5 sets of 80 pushups and squeeze my chest after each set (ur chest & triceps get big), but dude--u don't want to be institutionalized for fighting with the dickhead on the city bus or the pencil-neck guy who cut you off and flipped u the bird. good luck.
 
oh...i forgot to clarify...my point of smiling while at the gym pumping weights & the drunk driver doesn't get hurt analogy is that smiling while ur lifting will relax your muscles & has the added effect of perhaps preventing serious tears and lifting injuries...add that to ur arsenal of warming up. :)
 
oh...i forgot to clarify...my point of smiling while at the gym pumping weights & the drunk driver doesn't get hurt analogy is that smiling while ur lifting will relax your muscles & has the added effect of perhaps preventing serious tears and lifting injuries...add that to ur arsenal of warming up. :)


Smiling Releases Endorphins, Natural Pain Killers and Serotonin

Studies have shown that smiling releases endorphins, natural pain killers, and serotonin. Together these three make us feel good. Smiling is a natural drug.:)

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Sorry i did not understand a word of that Mrsocal

I would not advise Xanax though but if thats how you cope with it ok but not my choice

Wrongun!
 
Very true BUT do you not think that AAS can be in certain people a factor that can potentially cause some to exhibit aggressive, arrogant and hostile behavior? Some can do many cycles but then other influences while on cycle can cause the med to accelerate this behaviour within the user?

It is my belief all humans have the ability to show this and it is many influences that can cause some to realise it AAS being one

I do however believe that no matter what with the right training it can be managed.

Self control is massive BUT the definition of control is the point as some loose it and do not realise they have. AAS has caused this in some. If behaviour trained then more of a chance to control IMHO

Very good thread this and a very important subject IMHO

Wrongun!

Of course! If I were to smoke crack cocaine or shoot or snort heroin for the first time and this shit hits the pleasure centers of my brain and I find myself enjoying it, I'm fucked! LOL That's the same way steroids are to some individuals. The AAS turns these guys in "Mr. Hyde's" Then chemical and hormonal imbalances occur within the body thus causing internal and external alterations of one's environment. It is my opinion that some individuals are susceptible to such things. Whether it's genetic,chemical, or hormonal, no one tell until that behavior is exhibited while under the influence of that drug.
It would be something to see steriods with warning label:
"Warning: May cause aberrant, anti-social aggressive behavior in the user. Use with Caution".
 
Of course! If I were to smoke crack cocaine or shoot or snort heroin for the first time and this shit hits the pleasure centers of my brain and I find myself enjoying it, I'm fucked! LOL That's the same way steroids are to some individuals. The AAS turns these guys in "Mr. Hyde's" Then chemical and hormonal imbalances occur within the body thus causing internal and external alterations of one's environment. It is my opinion that some individuals are susceptible to such things. Whether it's genetic,chemical, or hormonal, no one tell until that behavior is exhibited while under the influence of that drug.
It would be something to see steriods with warning label:
"Warning: May cause aberrant, anti-social aggressive behavior in the user. Use with Caution".

Agree totally mate. Its a very serious side that can be realised and why it is annoying and naieve to simply say ''use self control'' as if under the ''influence'' it is possible to lose that control

Wrongun!
 
I realize that this is an ages old thread, but just for the benefit of those who may read this in the future, I am surprised that none of you self proclaimed authorities on steroids and steroid cycles in general, failed to mention or bring up to this guy that ESTROGEN is what causes "roid rage!" You muscleheads were so busy tripping over each other to tell this guy which androgenic steroid causes the most aggression etc. that you didnt even have the common sense to ask this guy, what if any, anti-estrogen he was doing, or take the time to explain to him the whole concept of the aromatization process and how that was relative, and related to his question!
 
I realize that this is an ages old thread, but just for the benefit of those who may read this in the future, I am surprised that none of you self proclaimed authorities on steroids and steroid cycles in general, failed to mention or bring up to this guy that ESTROGEN is what causes "roid rage!" You muscleheads were so busy tripping over each other to tell this guy which androgenic steroid causes the most aggression etc. that you didnt even have the common sense to ask this guy, what if any, anti-estrogen he was doing, or take the time to explain to him the whole concept of the aromatization process and how that was relative, and related to his question!

You are absolute right! It came to light when I read your post.
I hadn't figured estrogen in my equation and how it floods the body causing "estrogen rage" and not "Roid Rage" Damn!
I simply overlooked the anti-estrogens because I don't used anti-estrogens since I began using steroids almost 7 seven years ago. I thank you for post. Now to look into this wyrm.
 
I realize that this is an ages old thread, but just for the benefit of those who may read this in the future, I am surprised that none of you self proclaimed authorities on steroids and steroid cycles in general, failed to mention or bring up to this guy that ESTROGEN is what causes "roid rage!" You muscleheads were so busy tripping over each other to tell this guy which androgenic steroid causes the most aggression etc. that you didnt even have the common sense to ask this guy, what if any, anti-estrogen he was doing, or take the time to explain to him the whole concept of the aromatization process and how that was relative, and related to his question!

The reason that you havent seen anyone say that is because its not true - you're completely oversimplifying things.

The fact is, like many people have already stated, it isnt one specific hormone that causes aggression - its an imbalance of several important hormones.

Saying that AI's cause aggression is assinine without considering other factors.
 
The reason that you havent seen anyone say that is because its not true - you're completely oversimplifying things.

The fact is, like many people have already stated, it isnt one specific hormone that causes aggression - its an imbalance of several important hormones.

Saying that AI's cause aggression is assinine without considering other factors.

Excellent post IMHO

Wrongun!
 
I realize that this is an ages old thread, but just for the benefit of those who may read this in the future, I am surprised that none of you self proclaimed authorities on steroids and steroid cycles in general, failed to mention or bring up to this guy that ESTROGEN is what causes "roid rage!" You muscleheads were so busy tripping over each other to tell this guy which androgenic steroid causes the most aggression etc. that you didnt even have the common sense to ask this guy, what if any, anti-estrogen he was doing, or take the time to explain to him the whole concept of the aromatization process and how that was relative, and related to his question!

A ha! So that's why my wife is such a bitch!

:lmao:
 
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