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Any guidance what to take to get rid of my fat around abs asap ?
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JuicedAthletics
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you can simply drop your carbs, up your protein and hit cardio on an empty stomach 1st thing in the morning and then 20 min after weight training..
that's if you want to go without AAS.
that's if you want to go without AAS.
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FREDLONDON said:Any guidance what to take to get rid of my fat around abs asap ?
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Nothing..... There is no such thing as spot reduction.... You can try YES from AF store though..... Seems to work pretty well for me, but I'm pretty lean..... You should be pretty lean to see the results of YES spot reduction....
rizz
i realize my point of view will be flamed by many people here, but here goes:
4/6/8 packs don't impress me. never did, never will.
Pumped Up Pecs, Bis, Traps, Deltoids, Glutes, Quads, Calves and an overall symetric, pleasing to the eye balanced overall build catches my eye (and envy) more than some naturally lean guy with pecs the same size as his waist or (even worse yet) a 6 pack that sticks out farther than his chest does.
4/6/8 packs don't impress me. never did, never will.
Pumped Up Pecs, Bis, Traps, Deltoids, Glutes, Quads, Calves and an overall symetric, pleasing to the eye balanced overall build catches my eye (and envy) more than some naturally lean guy with pecs the same size as his waist or (even worse yet) a 6 pack that sticks out farther than his chest does.
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Prizz said:
I hate to disagree with you about spot reduction, but your body naturally does it all the time. When you lose wight its not always proportional. Some will lose it around their chest, some around their stomach, and some around the love handles. There are products out there like creams that are meant to be applied transdermally to the area you wish to reduce to help liquify the fat in that area. Only problem with this is that if you dont do cardio then the fat can deposit itself else where.
Ramcononer
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Diet and Cardio homie!!! no substitute for that....time tested and it works..
oh yea Genetics help too so go and slap your mom. Jk Bro..
oh yea Genetics help too so go and slap your mom. Jk Bro..
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natty4life
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Here is all the information I had on Helios, it is not formatted and doesn't deal with strickly with women. Hopefuly you can find the information of some use.
Their are two bottles one is yohimbine hcl and clen, the other bottle is
t-3.It is a two part system. The ratio is in one bottle (100cc bottle) you
have 40mcg of clen with yohimbine hcl 5.4mg per cc, in the second 100cc
bottle you have 25mcg/cc of T3.
you can shoot 1 ml three days a week or ED. Some people may do it 3 times a
day. The T3 can be taken orally and the yohimbine /Clen should be injected
subq on the place you want to loose fat, the liquid presses the fat
(triglycerides) out off the lipocytes (fatcells) into the blood, and you'll
have to burn it with aerobic training after the injections.
In a issue of Muscle Media 2000, in the October 1996 issue, "Steroid Guru"
Dan Duchaine presents an article titled "Lower Body Fat." In this piece Dan
recalls the plight of a female bodybuilding friend who found it impossible
to lose fat in her below-the-waste region. No matter what she did - from
exercise to drugs to steroids to near starvation - none of her strategies
yielded success.
Then, in a section subtitled "You Know About Beta Agonists, But ... How
About Alpha2 Blocker?," Duchaine lays it on the line. Ephedrine stimulates
adrenoreceptors, but only those of the beta class. Among the three members
of this class beta1 signals for fat mobilization while beta2 and beta3
concern themselves with the generation of thermogenic activity in the
mitochondria. "Burn more fatty acids for heat," they command. While you
might think that these latter two receptors would result in increased
lower-body fat loss, it just doesn't work that way.
The reason is because there are few beta1 receptors - the generators for
fat mobilization - in the lower body regions. However, what there are - and
too many at that - in the lower-body fat are alpha2 receptors.
Specifically, there are 9 times more alpha2 than beta1 receptors. When
alpha2 receptors are stimulated they block fat mobilization, achieving a
near opposite effect of beta1 receptors resulting in an increased
stubbornness to lose lower-body fat. Worse yet, noradrenaline generation is
reduced and body temperature is lowered. Then, to top it all off, on low
calorie diets, alpha2 receptors increase.
Duchaine goes on to say that this process affects far more women than men,
who normally have fewer alpha2 receptors ... except for Duchaine! The glad
news, however, is that there is a alpha2 blocker available as an
over-the-counter herbal supplement, and that the blocker is yohimbine, the
chief active ingredient in yohimbe. Unlike ephedrine, yohimbe is not an
agonist but an antagonist - it doesn't stimulate receptors, it blocks them.
And when yohimbe blocks alpha2 receptors, noradrenaline flows and the
resulting effect is increased body temperature and increased fat burning,
even in the difficult area of the lower body.
Reference: Duchaine D. Lower body fat. Muscle Media 2000. 1996;54:94-99
For the Helios you do not mix the two solutions in the same
syringe (different chemistry). Ideally both solutions should be taken
orally. Only really lean guys with a stubborn fat deposits will want to
inject just the clenbuterol/yohimbine solution subcutaneously.
Start the dosage of each solution at 0.5cc der pay and gradually work
the dosage up as fast as the person is comfortable. The clen solution
is sometimes tough for the odd person to get used to because of
headaches. Just take their time. I would go as high as 3 cc of each per
day possibly 4 if the person is a real hard ass for drugs, but 4 is
pretty high. Lots of guys are happy at 2 cc. Then when they want to
come off the Helios system they will need to taper slowly down for 2
weeks at least.
They need to drink so much water they will be sick of it if they are the
ones that sweet like no tomorrow. They will need to watch their
electroplytes as well besause they are loosing so much in their sweat
and plain water doesn't replace electrolytes.
Oh and one other thing, they should split the dosage into morning and
early early evening if they can.
Helios dosage should start low (0.25 - 0.5cc) and increase daily or as the
user can handle the clen side effects. I wouldn't dose past 3cc of either
solution per day and I would split the dosage up into 12 hour intervals (ie
have the dose in AM and the other half in the PM). The user can maintain
that doase for as long as they wish but, they have to know to come off the
higher doses much more slowly then they went up to the higher doses. ie : 1
week increasing daily dosage until the max desired dosafe is reached. Then
2-3 weeks at that dosage and finally dropping the daily dosage for a period
of 2 weeks. There are no hard and fast rules but you have an idea how it
works.
Their are two bottles one is yohimbine hcl and clen, the other bottle is
t-3.It is a two part system. The ratio is in one bottle (100cc bottle) you
have 40mcg of clen with yohimbine hcl 5.4mg per cc, in the second 100cc
bottle you have 25mcg/cc of T3.
you can shoot 1 ml three days a week or ED. Some people may do it 3 times a
day. The T3 can be taken orally and the yohimbine /Clen should be injected
subq on the place you want to loose fat, the liquid presses the fat
(triglycerides) out off the lipocytes (fatcells) into the blood, and you'll
have to burn it with aerobic training after the injections.
In a issue of Muscle Media 2000, in the October 1996 issue, "Steroid Guru"
Dan Duchaine presents an article titled "Lower Body Fat." In this piece Dan
recalls the plight of a female bodybuilding friend who found it impossible
to lose fat in her below-the-waste region. No matter what she did - from
exercise to drugs to steroids to near starvation - none of her strategies
yielded success.
Then, in a section subtitled "You Know About Beta Agonists, But ... How
About Alpha2 Blocker?," Duchaine lays it on the line. Ephedrine stimulates
adrenoreceptors, but only those of the beta class. Among the three members
of this class beta1 signals for fat mobilization while beta2 and beta3
concern themselves with the generation of thermogenic activity in the
mitochondria. "Burn more fatty acids for heat," they command. While you
might think that these latter two receptors would result in increased
lower-body fat loss, it just doesn't work that way.
The reason is because there are few beta1 receptors - the generators for
fat mobilization - in the lower body regions. However, what there are - and
too many at that - in the lower-body fat are alpha2 receptors.
Specifically, there are 9 times more alpha2 than beta1 receptors. When
alpha2 receptors are stimulated they block fat mobilization, achieving a
near opposite effect of beta1 receptors resulting in an increased
stubbornness to lose lower-body fat. Worse yet, noradrenaline generation is
reduced and body temperature is lowered. Then, to top it all off, on low
calorie diets, alpha2 receptors increase.
Duchaine goes on to say that this process affects far more women than men,
who normally have fewer alpha2 receptors ... except for Duchaine! The glad
news, however, is that there is a alpha2 blocker available as an
over-the-counter herbal supplement, and that the blocker is yohimbine, the
chief active ingredient in yohimbe. Unlike ephedrine, yohimbe is not an
agonist but an antagonist - it doesn't stimulate receptors, it blocks them.
And when yohimbe blocks alpha2 receptors, noradrenaline flows and the
resulting effect is increased body temperature and increased fat burning,
even in the difficult area of the lower body.
Reference: Duchaine D. Lower body fat. Muscle Media 2000. 1996;54:94-99
For the Helios you do not mix the two solutions in the same
syringe (different chemistry). Ideally both solutions should be taken
orally. Only really lean guys with a stubborn fat deposits will want to
inject just the clenbuterol/yohimbine solution subcutaneously.
Start the dosage of each solution at 0.5cc der pay and gradually work
the dosage up as fast as the person is comfortable. The clen solution
is sometimes tough for the odd person to get used to because of
headaches. Just take their time. I would go as high as 3 cc of each per
day possibly 4 if the person is a real hard ass for drugs, but 4 is
pretty high. Lots of guys are happy at 2 cc. Then when they want to
come off the Helios system they will need to taper slowly down for 2
weeks at least.
They need to drink so much water they will be sick of it if they are the
ones that sweet like no tomorrow. They will need to watch their
electroplytes as well besause they are loosing so much in their sweat
and plain water doesn't replace electrolytes.
Oh and one other thing, they should split the dosage into morning and
early early evening if they can.
Helios dosage should start low (0.25 - 0.5cc) and increase daily or as the
user can handle the clen side effects. I wouldn't dose past 3cc of either
solution per day and I would split the dosage up into 12 hour intervals (ie
have the dose in AM and the other half in the PM). The user can maintain
that doase for as long as they wish but, they have to know to come off the
higher doses much more slowly then they went up to the higher doses. ie : 1
week increasing daily dosage until the max desired dosafe is reached. Then
2-3 weeks at that dosage and finally dropping the daily dosage for a period
of 2 weeks. There are no hard and fast rules but you have an idea how it
works.
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ego boner
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cardio before you eat in morning, low carb, high protein, and cardio, 45 minutes after you eat. abs are from the kitchen. if your diet is dirty, then you are dirty.
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gettinripped
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add 2 cups of caffenated coffee 30 mins prior to your cardio. you'll sweat your balls off, provided you get enough water daily.
glennds
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not to brag, 
, but good abs can be just good luck. sure diet and exercise helps but being genetically predisposed to low BF and the postion of your abdominal muscles on your stomach. where they are sorta further out.
having good abs like having a good head of hair. some of us are just lucky. (but i am NOT lucky in the full head of hair department),
good abs may look good in pics but you gotta be around waist 34" or smaller and have lower BF. if you wanna be big, you may have to sacrifice washboard abs to get the bulked look. most guys probably prefer bulked look.
, but good abs can be just good luck. sure diet and exercise helps but being genetically predisposed to low BF and the postion of your abdominal muscles on your stomach. where they are sorta further out. having good abs like having a good head of hair. some of us are just lucky. (but i am NOT lucky in the full head of hair department),
good abs may look good in pics but you gotta be around waist 34" or smaller and have lower BF. if you wanna be big, you may have to sacrifice washboard abs to get the bulked look. most guys probably prefer bulked look.
bas4lizzife
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rnch said:Pumped Up Pecs, Bis, Traps, Deltoids, Glutes, Quads, Calves and an overall symetric, pleasing to the eye balanced overall build catches my eye (and envy) more than some naturally lean guy with pecs the same size as his waist or (even worse yet) a 6 pack that sticks out farther than his chest does.
I agree, to an extent. An Abercrombie model with abs isnt impressive as a lot of people are naturally ectomorphic or can get that lean but dont have any size to show for it. Conversely, there are a lot of really big dudes that are 'perma-bulking'. It's very hard to be ripped with great vascularity while still carrying a substantial amount of muscle and this is most impressive in my opinion.
solidspine
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CARDIO & DIET as in starve
deezknuckles
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i am what i am said:
I have not done enough research to form an opinion as to whether or not HGH, YES, or other products can "spot" reduce fat. BUT, if spot reduction does work, then, technically, one could apply product to ONLY the left love handle and, over time, induce a noticable difference in fat content between the left and right handle. It seems hard to believe for me but, if there are any volunteers to be guinea pigs and try this on yourself, and post the pictures, Ill shoot some karma your way (and laugh my ass offf)
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natty4life
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DRRman said:
I know quite a few people who have had success with Helios.(myself included)
drawbacks - injections are painful, and it's a daily procedure.
macrophage69alpha
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deoxycholate injected caused cell lysis (indiscriminate)- IMHO its not reccomended.
gymratforlife
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i am what i am said:
products that liquify fat huh?Were you born such a big tool or do you try really hard at it every day from the moment you wake up?
Diet change has the most dramatic effect.FREDLONDON said:Any guidance what to take to get rid of my fat around abs asap ?
Thanks broth
Eliminate all simple, fast sugars for 6-8 weeks. This includes all foods that convert to fast sugars also, such as grains and flours.
Increase all proteins and slow, bulky sugars such as veggies.
A lot of the problem is held water. The body will dump this water if you make this change.
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glennds
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gymratforlife said:
dont be smug gymrat. there are people that actually believe you can rub some cream on your blubber and it will magically dissappear! sure beats diet and exercise. like snake oil. cures cancer too!
macrophage69alpha
New member
yohimburn ES will help you to mobilize stubborn fats- this is technically spot fat reduction
deoxycholate, injected will lyse fat cells, though its indiscriminate in its lysis so great care should be used with it. IMHO its not particularly safe to inject detergents.
there are other things that induce local fat loss GH for instance, as well as pgf2a.
deoxycholate, injected will lyse fat cells, though its indiscriminate in its lysis so great care should be used with it. IMHO its not particularly safe to inject detergents.
there are other things that induce local fat loss GH for instance, as well as pgf2a.
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gettinripped
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thelion2005 said:
been a while since i ingested flowers. j/k i know what you mean.
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i am what i am
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gymratforlife said:
awww. the internet tough guy. gotta love it. i guess you know all there is to know and everybody else is wrong. im sorry for adding my input.
there aren't any products for localized fat reduction are there?
Helios
Yohimburn
Transdermal fat loss products
choline or phosphytlcholine
But you are right sweet cheeks. it doesn't actually liquify them. it helps lyse fat cells from the area you are injecting into to make it easier to lose the fat in the particular spot. hugs and kisses. mwaaahh.
macrophage69alpha
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glennds said:
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glennds said:
never tried any of these products but know people who have use it with good results. the guy asked a question and I gave him options if he is that gun hoe about it. Steroids aren't magical and neither are fat burners. you still need a clean diet and cardio.
gymratforlife
Banned
Im dying to see a picture of you I am what I am.Its always the pencil necked assclowns that have the biggest shit talking mouths behind the computer screen.i am what i am said:
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neverenuf
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bro, i train with the man 5 days a week, if thats your avatar and your not a noob...your in a bit of jamb calling him out...hes far from a pencil neck bro, 6'1" averages around 250lbs, last check 18.5" arms cold and rest is solid as can be...i gave away most of my k or i'd bomb the shit out of you!
gymratforlife
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lmao those stats dont mean jack shit at 6'1" 18" ARMS ARE NOT IMPRESSIVE LMAO.Also weighing 250 means nothing if your 30% bodyfat so go back to sucking his dick in the locker room fag.neverenuf said:
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gymratforlife said:
remember bro. you are the one that got all hostile first calling me out on only having 2000 posts. Obviously I'm getting to you so I will leave you alone.
Oh, stats are:
21 years old
6'1"
242 lb's
13%BF
18.5 " arms
53" chest
34-36" waiste
Here are all my max outs:
max deadlift of 500 lb's pre 2nd knee injury (age of 20)
leg press 1200 lb's pre 2nd knee injury
db incline press 140 lb's for 7 reps for 1 set
db shoulder press 120 lb's 2 sets for 8 and reps
barbell standing upright row 225 lb's for 2 sets of 6 reps
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gymratforlife said:
e-tough guy alert.
gymratforlife
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lol those stats blow bud but thats ok you keep at it one day you will look like you lifti am what i am said:remember bro. you are the one that got all hostile first calling me out on only having 2000 posts. Obviously I'm getting to you so I will leave you alone.
Oh, stats are:
21 years old
6'1"
242 lb's
13%BF
18.5 " arms
53" chest
34-36" waiste
Here are all my max outs:
max deadlift of 500 lb's pre 2nd knee injury (age of 20)
leg press 1200 lb's pre 2nd knee injury
db incline press 140 lb's for 7 reps for 1 set
db shoulder press 120 lb's 2 sets for 8 and reps
barbell standing upright row 225 lb's for 2 sets of 6 reps
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gymratforlife said:
lets here yours and lets not pad them. for 21, that aint half bad.
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i am what i am
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DRRman said:
those are my true ones. not claiming to be something I am not. im big and strong, but there is always someone bigger and stronger. my stats fail in comparison to many on this board, but i am only 21. Still got a lot of time to mature and grow.
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natty4life
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macrophage69alpha said:
Hey Mac - what's deoxycholate?
I use helios - 40mcg of clen with yohimbine hcl 5.4mg per cc
Please explain - any help would be much appreciated
macrophage69alpha
New member
deoxycholate is a bile salt, its also a detergent.
J Am Acad Dermatol. 2005 Dec;53(6):973-8. Epub 2005 Oct 19. Related Articles, Links
Lipomas treated with subcutaneous deoxycholate injections.
Rotunda AM, Ablon G, Kolodney MS.
Division of Dermatology, University of California Los Angeles, David Geffen School of Medicine, Los Angeles, California, USA. [email protected]
BACKGROUND: Lipomas are benign neoplasms of mature fat cells. Current treatments are invasive and carry the risk of scarring. Injections of phosphatidylcholine solubilized with deoxycholate, a bile salt, have been used to reduce unwanted accumulations of fat. Recent in vitro and ex vivo investigations indicate that deoxycholate alone causes adipocyte lysis. OBJECTIVE: We sought to report our experience treating lipomas using subcutaneous deoxycholate injections. METHODS: A total of 6 patients presenting with 12 lipomas were treated with intralesional injections of sodium deoxycholate (1.0%, 2.5%, and 5.0%) at intervals of 2 to 20 weeks. Tumor size, cutaneous reactions, and patients' subjective responses were recorded before and after treatment. RESULTS: All lipomas decreased in size (mean area reduction, 75%; range, 37%-100%) as determined by clinical measurement (with ultrasound confirmation in one lipoma) after an average of 2.2 treatments. Several lipomas fragmented or became softer in addition to decreasing in volume. Adverse effects, including transient burning, erythema, and local swelling, were associated with higher deoxycholate concentrations but resolved without intervention. There was no clear association between deoxycholate concentration and efficacy. CONCLUSIONS: Our clinical experience supports our laboratory investigations demonstrating that deoxycholate, rather than phosphatidylcholine, is the active ingredient in subcutaneously injected formulas used to treat adipose tissue. This small series suggests that low concentration deoxycholate may be a relatively safe and effective treatment for small collections of fat. However, controlled clinical trials will be necessary to substantiate these observations.
Dermatol Surg. 2004 Jul;30(7):1001-8. Related Articles, Links
Detergent effects of sodium deoxycholate are a major feature of an injectable phosphatidylcholine formulation used for localized fat dissolution.
Rotunda AM, Suzuki H, Moy RL, Kolodney MS.
Division of Dermatology, University of California Los Angeles, David Geffen School of Medicine, Los Angeles, California, USA.
BACKGROUND: Phosphatidylcholine injections are becoming an increasingly popular technique to treat localized fat accumulation. This formula is composed primarily of phosphatidylcholine and sodium deoxycholate, a bile salt used to solubilize the natural phospholipid in water. The mechanism through which this injectable phosphatidylcholine formulation causes localized fat reduction is unknown. OBJECTIVE: To investigate the active component and mechanism of action of an injectable phosphatidylcholine formulation in clinical use. METHODS: Cell viability and cell membrane lysis assays were performed on cell cultures and porcine skin after treatment with the phosphatidylcholine formula, isolated sodium deoxycholate, or common laboratory detergents Triton-X 100 and Empigen BB. In addition, we described the histologic changes after injection of these substances into porcine tissue. RESULTS: A significant and comparable loss of cell viability, cell membrane lysis, and disruption of fat and muscle architecture was seen in cell cultures and tissue specimens treated with the phosphatidylcholine formula and isolated sodium deoxycholate. These findings were similar to the effects produced after treatment with laboratory detergents. CONCLUSIONS: The phosphatidylcholine formula popularly used in subcutaneous injections for fat dissolution works primarily as a detergent causing nonspecific lysis of cell membranes. Our findings suggest that sodium deoxycholate is the major active component responsible for cell lysis. Detergent substances may have a role in eliminating unwanted adipose tissue. It is advised that physicians use caution until adequate safety data are available.
J Am Acad Dermatol. 2005 Dec;53(6):973-8. Epub 2005 Oct 19. Related Articles, Links
Lipomas treated with subcutaneous deoxycholate injections.
Rotunda AM, Ablon G, Kolodney MS.
Division of Dermatology, University of California Los Angeles, David Geffen School of Medicine, Los Angeles, California, USA. [email protected]
BACKGROUND: Lipomas are benign neoplasms of mature fat cells. Current treatments are invasive and carry the risk of scarring. Injections of phosphatidylcholine solubilized with deoxycholate, a bile salt, have been used to reduce unwanted accumulations of fat. Recent in vitro and ex vivo investigations indicate that deoxycholate alone causes adipocyte lysis. OBJECTIVE: We sought to report our experience treating lipomas using subcutaneous deoxycholate injections. METHODS: A total of 6 patients presenting with 12 lipomas were treated with intralesional injections of sodium deoxycholate (1.0%, 2.5%, and 5.0%) at intervals of 2 to 20 weeks. Tumor size, cutaneous reactions, and patients' subjective responses were recorded before and after treatment. RESULTS: All lipomas decreased in size (mean area reduction, 75%; range, 37%-100%) as determined by clinical measurement (with ultrasound confirmation in one lipoma) after an average of 2.2 treatments. Several lipomas fragmented or became softer in addition to decreasing in volume. Adverse effects, including transient burning, erythema, and local swelling, were associated with higher deoxycholate concentrations but resolved without intervention. There was no clear association between deoxycholate concentration and efficacy. CONCLUSIONS: Our clinical experience supports our laboratory investigations demonstrating that deoxycholate, rather than phosphatidylcholine, is the active ingredient in subcutaneously injected formulas used to treat adipose tissue. This small series suggests that low concentration deoxycholate may be a relatively safe and effective treatment for small collections of fat. However, controlled clinical trials will be necessary to substantiate these observations.
Dermatol Surg. 2004 Jul;30(7):1001-8. Related Articles, Links
Detergent effects of sodium deoxycholate are a major feature of an injectable phosphatidylcholine formulation used for localized fat dissolution.
Rotunda AM, Suzuki H, Moy RL, Kolodney MS.
Division of Dermatology, University of California Los Angeles, David Geffen School of Medicine, Los Angeles, California, USA.
BACKGROUND: Phosphatidylcholine injections are becoming an increasingly popular technique to treat localized fat accumulation. This formula is composed primarily of phosphatidylcholine and sodium deoxycholate, a bile salt used to solubilize the natural phospholipid in water. The mechanism through which this injectable phosphatidylcholine formulation causes localized fat reduction is unknown. OBJECTIVE: To investigate the active component and mechanism of action of an injectable phosphatidylcholine formulation in clinical use. METHODS: Cell viability and cell membrane lysis assays were performed on cell cultures and porcine skin after treatment with the phosphatidylcholine formula, isolated sodium deoxycholate, or common laboratory detergents Triton-X 100 and Empigen BB. In addition, we described the histologic changes after injection of these substances into porcine tissue. RESULTS: A significant and comparable loss of cell viability, cell membrane lysis, and disruption of fat and muscle architecture was seen in cell cultures and tissue specimens treated with the phosphatidylcholine formula and isolated sodium deoxycholate. These findings were similar to the effects produced after treatment with laboratory detergents. CONCLUSIONS: The phosphatidylcholine formula popularly used in subcutaneous injections for fat dissolution works primarily as a detergent causing nonspecific lysis of cell membranes. Our findings suggest that sodium deoxycholate is the major active component responsible for cell lysis. Detergent substances may have a role in eliminating unwanted adipose tissue. It is advised that physicians use caution until adequate safety data are available.
macrophage69alpha
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no, but some is better than none (and when you get to a certain point of lean- those little spots can be the ones that make the difference)
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natty4life
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macrophage69alpha said:
Great read - thanks MAC, i thought you were referring to my Helios
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natty4life
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MAC
Would you say that Phosphatidylcholine is more effective than Helios?
Would you say that Phosphatidylcholine is more effective than Helios?
darwinmcduck
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A hard stomach is a clear sign of dedication to your body. The only reason lard asses don't do them is because they are too lazy. They come in get a pump in one muscle group then leave. Wow, you can have big muscles in 45 mins a day with juice. The people that cardio and do abs seperate themselves from the bodies that don't. Period
rnch said:i realize my point of view will be flamed by many people here, but here goes:
4/6/8 packs don't impress me. never did, never will.
Pumped Up Pecs, Bis, Traps, Deltoids, Glutes, Quads, Calves and an overall symetric, pleasing to the eye balanced overall build catches my eye (and envy) more than some naturally lean guy with pecs the same size as his waist or (even worse yet) a 6 pack that sticks out farther than his chest does.
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P01NTBL4NK
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ABS are built in the kitchen this is a NO BRAINER. And cardio dude NEVER DO CARDIO after you lift. You would be fuckin up your shit. You eat right after you lift. You need all the nutrients you can to grow. Whoever said 20mins after lifting is a dumb fuck I am sorry to say this but it is the truth they are a dumbfuck. =D
P01NTBL4NK said:
???
Do you realize working out, depletes your glycogen storage for energy? And also did you know that when you are out of glycogen, your body starts finding other sources of energy.....
and you do know that FAT contains more calories(energy) per gram right? While Carbs only have 4 right?
This is why we do AM cardio, to do your cardio with low glycogen/energy levels so your body will tap into its FAT source for it.
45 mins after working out could be negative, but 15-20........c'mon
Also, if you would like to comeBACK and answer this post, please explain WHY 20 minutes dumb after weight training? I do know that your body needs nutrients to grow, but it seems you are repeating stuff you read.........
so you must have read that the window of opportunity after working out is about 30-45 mins right?
And i hope you dont come back with an aswer, because after 45 mins your testosterone is low, because on SAT's i go in and train 8-12 Powerlifting, and 12-230 Sparing Muy Thia.........SOOOOO my cardio on SAT is WAY longer then 20-30 mins, but i DO EAT before fighting.....
I do agree with you one one point, Abs are made in the kitchen...i was told that one time by a special bunny here and havnt stoped thinking that way since
i am what i am said:
Yes, your body does spot reduce itself, but the question is about making it spot reduce where YOU want it too. In my opinion, it cannot be done. You diet, cardio, workout and your body is going to burn the fat where it does. for me, my love handles are the last to go, but they do go.
good point, but a great body with shitty abs is an ok body, but a shitty body with great abs is a good body! so both are perfectrnch said:i realize my point of view will be flamed by many people here, but here goes:
4/6/8 packs don't impress me. never did, never will.
Pumped Up Pecs, Bis, Traps, Deltoids, Glutes, Quads, Calves and an overall symetric, pleasing to the eye balanced overall build catches my eye (and envy) more than some naturally lean guy with pecs the same size as his waist or (even worse yet) a 6 pack that sticks out farther than his chest does.
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