Rippetoe on chest exercises

[silver_shadow]

Now you're saying cable flys are useless too..

good lord..

how big are you guys? (I'm just curious)

also where are the sources on these "scientific evidence" are they academic?

more strength ='s in turn more size??? I think that is outright wrong.. most bodybuilders can't lift as much as powerlifters.. but are fucking huge in comparision.. so I'd def have to disagree there.

220lbs at 13% and bulking to hit 240-245 hopefully by the end of the year.... natty

bodybuilders are fucking huge compared to PLs? you sure? or do they just LOOK way huger because of lower BF on stage?

 

[djeclipse]

Does anyone have the link to that powerlifter that decided to really watch his diet and cut fat? When he was done he was f'n ripped and huge. This was posted a while back, it was a link to some powerlifting board.

 

[stevefdl]

LOL


The fly is a good excercise IMO. I enjoy doing it, and I can only acheive a solid pump in the middle of my chest where it divides (sternum) only by doing flys.

...and, you can get an awesome shoulder pump by lifting a full bag of Cheetos over your head one million timers a day.

On some days, when I've too tired for that, I just get pumped by holding my leg or arms in the air for two minutes.

What a pump! I'm still weak as crap, and skinny as all hell, but I get pumped!

 

[djeclipse]

...and, you can get an awesome shoulder pump by lifting a full bag of Cheetos over your head one million timers a day.

On some days, when I've too tired for that, I just get pumped by holding my leg or arms in the air for two minutes.

What a pump! I'm still weak as crap, and skinny as all hell, but I get pumped!

mmm Cheetos

 

[PoweredUp]

Does anyone have the link to that powerlifter that decided to really watch his diet and cut fat? When he was done he was f'n ripped and huge. This was posted a while back, it was a link to some powerlifting board.

Here's one example right here:

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=727966

 

[silver_shadow]

Here's one example right here:

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=727966

that's the same dude that dj was refering to....

k

 

[djeclipse]

ya, that is the guy. Great example of the muscle those so called "fat" power lifters have. Loose the fat and they are cut and actually strong. Instead of just looking strong like body builders.

 

[mad_monkey59]

I would love to see it as I have read just about everything Madcow has written and I don't rememebr that.

If you have an actual scientific artical supporting your argument I would like to see it prior to changing my routine around...

Thanks

 

[djeclipse]

If you have an actual scientific artical supporting your argument I would like to see it prior to changing my routine around...

Thanks

Sorry dude, you are the one claiming Madcow said it, It is up to you to show me.

I could care less how you train and you're not worth my time to do any research for you.

Once again, show me where mad cow said it as you are the one that claimed so.

And as for scientific articles, PoweredUp has posted a few already.

Train how you wish, if you want to waste time and effort with non effective lifts, by all means go ahead. But don't come here and post lies about what madcow and world class strength coach Mark rippetoe have written just to justify your way of training. And don;t try and get others to train your way by using these lies.

 

[mad_monkey59]

Your are arguing a point of view I have said I have heard other wise, but I think I have been quite open with the fact that I am not 100% sure about it. I don't think I have purposely misguided anybody, infact posting lies would be consistent with making arguments which are completely unproven and based (As far as I am currently aware) on the opinions of two men, not opening debate, but just insulting other members of this board if they disagree with you.

The fact of the matter is bodybuilders, in general, say and do stupid shit, compare the methods of Tom Platz's training compared to the ethos of this board and you will find that information across peers is generally inconsistent. And I think it would be fair to say that Tom Platz is/was just a tiny little bit more succesful then Madcow.

The only authority in this argument is science, and the only purpose of this is board is to learn and to discuss. It seems to me that based on that response you are unwilling or incapable of all three.

The fact of the matter is buddy, I asked you for help, I asked you to show me the stuff that has made you train a certain way and you refused. You have not presented your argument more effectively, nor have you provided any evidence other then the opinions of other people. You're just shouting louder, and that doesn't make your opinion right, nor does it make me a liar.

Sorry dude, you are the one claiming Madcow said it, It is up to you to show me.

I could care less how you train and you're not worth my time to do any research for you.

Once again, show me where mad cow said it as you are the one that claimed so.

And as for scientific articles, PoweredUp has posted a few already.

Train how you wish, if you want to waste time and effort with non effective lifts, by all means go ahead. But don't come here and post lies about what madcow and world class strength coach Mark rippetoe have written just to justify your way of training. And don;t try and get others to train your way by using these lies.